LeBatard: LeBroid and company misled the cHeat: if true, anybody surprised?

[Beat LA]

Beat LA, how does his rebounding relate to allegations of steroid use?

It doesn't really haha, except for the fact that, with a body like his, don't you think it's odd that he consistently fails to rebound at a level befitting his physical abilities?  I think it's weird, but that's just me.  Maybe it's something between the ears that's missing in this regard lol.   

[moiso]

LeBron...Steroids-?...HGH---?

Flippin obvious...from how his head grew like Barry Bonds...the Tumor removed from his jaw....the Leg Cramps he always gets (nobody else does)...and the fact he looked 28 years old when he came into the league @18---LeFraud is more like it....but I could be wrong(probably not though).

+1 Max......but we're all haters because we see and say all these things without producing the needles and empty vials...we're haters , alright....we hate cheating

I would not be surprised at all---if he took PED's in High School to start out with...Kobe came out of HS looking like a skinny teenager...LBJ looked like a grown man already----something does not add up here...I've had this feeling for a long time---WITHOUT any evidence of course--Maybe he is clean--but c'mon, we all saw how Mark McGwire's body changed, and Barry Bonds---it was total cheating, and athletes cHeat all the time...They are not Saints by any means....Just because the NBA and ESPN's Bottom line depends on this guy,doesn't mean the rest of us have to capitulate and look the other way.
Nobody from the league will look into this--it's a guarantee--cause we all saw what happened in MLB after the Canseco allegations turned out to be true.

Mike Tyson at 13 looked like Mike Tyson at 25.  I don't think he was on steroids at 13.

so, you're saying Mike Tyson starting using steroids at 9 years old--?   

There is no other explanation!

[Ogaju]

Beat LA, how does his rebounding relate to allegations of steroid use?

It doesn't really haha, except for the fact that, with a body like his, don't you think it's odd that he consistently fails to rebound at a level befitting his physical abilities?  I think it's weird, but that's just me.  Maybe it's something between the ears that's missing in this regard lol.   

What are Kobe and MJ rebounding numbers?

Superstars like these three see rebounding as dirty work for commoners and not for the 'royalty' of basketball to which they belong. By the way they are usually out on the wing waiting for outlet passes so they can attack the opponents.

[staticcc]

Great read about the possible steroid use.

http://ajaythuraisingham.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/reasons-i-believe-lebron-james-uses-steroids/

His brow looks thicker in 2016 than in 2004.   Doesn't HGH do that?

+1.... the article makes too much sense not to have some validity.....far too many anecdotal coincidences.... there's a lot of smoke here...the NBA not testing for HGH is understandable and obviously self-serving

I gained a lot of respect for DRose for being forthright and calling for a level playing field.

There are far too many anecdotal coincidences about UFOs and aliens too. Do you believe that?

[staticcc]

LeBron...Steroids-?...HGH---?

Flippin obvious...from how his head grew like Barry Bonds...the Tumor removed from his jaw....the Leg Cramps he always gets (nobody else does)...and the fact he looked 28 years old when he came into the league @18---LeFraud is more like it....but I could be wrong(probably not though).

+1 Max......but we're all haters because we see and say all these things without producing the needles and empty vials...we're haters , alright....we hate cheating

I just can't get over how he just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger.  From 230, to 240, to 250, to 260!  6'8" 260 are you ****ing kidding me?  I never heard about the tumor, but what does stand out to me is one report a few years ago, maybe just before he left for Miami, where he said that he didn't want to end up 30 years old with bad knees.  Um, don't steroids kill your joints, as well as other things (cough, cough).  I swear, sometimes half of his expressions after dunking the ball look like roid rage.  Either that, or he'd responding violently to a mixture of testosterone to offset the effects of the hgh haha.  It's not only him, either.  Wade has certainly gotten a lot thicker and then started breaking down.  Hmmm.  I don't ever remembering that guy having any knee problems before 12-13. 

I mean, some guys, like Pierce, are just big and have always stayed about the same size, while others, like KG, had to grow into his beanpole body lol, but even then, the difference was nothing like what we see with Lebron.  Are we even sure that he's really 29?  The guy looks like a tank with a jet engine, and yet has absolutely pathetic rebounding numbers for a guy of his size.  I think that 8 rpg last year was a career high.  Wow.  He's had a couple of 19 rebound games, but, with his body, would you believe that, after 10 years in the league, he has yet to record a single game of 20 rebounds, or even one 40-20 game?  His attitude towards rebounding, a big game here or there aside, appears to be, "don't we have people for this?"  I'm not asking him to lead the league in rebounding, but 8 as a career high?  Come on.

He lost weight last year actually but let's forget about that and pick and choose what information to believe. Data mining at its finest.

[staticcc]

LeBron...Steroids-?...HGH---?

Flippin obvious...from how his head grew like Barry Bonds...the Tumor removed from his jaw....the Leg Cramps he always gets (nobody else does)...and the fact he looked 28 years old when he came into the league @18---LeFraud is more like it....but I could be wrong(probably not though).

+1 Max......but we're all haters because we see and say all these things without producing the needles and empty vials...we're haters , alright....we hate cheating

I just can't get over how he just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger.  From 230, to 240, to 250, to 260!  6'8" 260 are you ****ing kidding me?  I never heard about the tumor, but what does stand out to me is one report a few years ago, maybe just before he left for Miami, where he said that he didn't want to end up 30 years old with bad knees.  Um, don't steroids kill your joints, as well as other things (cough, cough).  I swear, sometimes half of his expressions after dunking the ball look like roid rage.  Either that, or he'd responding violently to a mixture of testosterone to offset the effects of the hgh haha.  It's not only him, either.  Wade has certainly gotten a lot thicker and then started breaking down.  Hmmm.  I don't ever remembering that guy having any knee problems before 12-13. 

I mean, some guys, like Pierce, are just big and have always stayed about the same size, while others, like KG, had to grow into his beanpole body lol, but even then, the difference was nothing like what we see with Lebron.  Are we even sure that he's really 29?  The guy looks like a tank with a jet engine, and yet has absolutely pathetic rebounding numbers for a guy of his size.  I think that 8 rpg last year was a career high.  Wow.  He's had a couple of 19 rebound games, but, with his body, would you believe that, after 10 years in the league, he has yet to record a single game of 20 rebounds, or even one 40-20 game?  His attitude towards rebounding, a big game here or there aside, appears to be, "don't we have people for this?"  I'm not asking him to lead the league in rebounding, but 8 as a career high?  Come on.

Bird averaged 10. With that kind of intelligence and being 6'9 why didn't he get more? He only grabbed 20 boards THREE times in 897 games (Basketball-reference). If he averaged that much in this era but couldn't get 20 boards in one game more often, would you be saying he's probably on PEDs too?

Why does Brook Lopez not rebound more? PEDs.

[csfansince60s]

Please show me any article that proves that high school athletes are on PEDS.. even better show me a failed test from lebron to prove he's on any peds. As a matter of fact just show me any facts to support this.  Nba isn't the mlb or nfl.. not many failed tests to use as evidence.

http://globalsportsdevelopment.org/steroid-use-among-high-school-athletes/

STEROID USE AMONG HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETES

http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/pubs/brochures/steroids/children/


Steroid Abuse By School Age Children

The "Monitoring the Future" study conducted in 2002, determined that since 1991 there has been a significant increase of steroid use by school age children. This annual study, supported by the NIDA and conducted by the Institute for Social Research at the University of Michigan, surveys drug use among eighth, tenth, and twelfth graders in the United States. The first year data was collected on younger students was in 1991. Since 1991 there has been a significant increase in reported steroid use by teenagers. For all three grades, the 2002 levels represent a significant increase from 1991. The following chart illustrates the increase of steroid abuse among teenagers who reported using steroids at least once in their lifetime:

Percent of Students Reporting Steroid Use 1991 - 2002

Year   Eighth grade   Tenth Grade   Twelfth Grade
1991   1.9%   1.8%   2.1%
1999   2.7%   2.7%   2.9%
2002   2.5%   3.5%   4.0%
The 2002 survey also indicated additional data related to steroid abuse by school age children:

Percent of Students Reporting Steroid Use in 2002

Student Steroid Use   Eighth grade   Tenth Grade   Twelfth Grade
Past month use   0.8%   1.0%   1.4%
Past year use   1.5%   2.2%   2.5%
Lifetime use   2.5%   3.5%   4.0%
In addition, the 2002 survey also determined how easy it was for school aged children to obtain steroids. The survey indicated 22% of eighth graders, 33.2% of tenth graders, and 46.1% of twelfth graders surveyed in 2002 reported that steroids were "fairly easy" or "very easy" to obtain. More than 57% of twelfth graders surveyed in 2002 reported that using steroids was a "great risk." Also, another study indicated that steroids are used predominately by males. The survey determined the annual prevalence rates were two to four times as high among males as among females.

The "Monitoring the Future" study also determined that misuse and abuse of steroids is a major concern among school aged children. Some of their findings are alarming and indicate a need for concern:

A survey in 1999 determined that 479,000 students nationwide, or 2.9 percent, had used steroids by their senior year of high school.
A survey in 2001 determined the percentage of 12th graders who believed that taking these drugs causes "great risk" to health declined from 68 percent to 62 percent.

That enough for you or do you need more?

[fitzhickey]

Beat LA, how does his rebounding relate to allegations of steroid use?

It doesn't really haha, except for the fact that, with a body like his, don't you think it's odd that he consistently fails to rebound at a level befitting his physical abilities?  I think it's weird, but that's just me.  Maybe it's something between the ears that's missing in this regard lol.   

well over his career he's played mostly at the 3, on the wing. he has still averaged 7 rpg for his career which is more than most SF. I think his rebounding rate for a SF is perfectly fine.

[Beat LA]

LeBron...Steroids-?...HGH---?

Flippin obvious...from how his head grew like Barry Bonds...the Tumor removed from his jaw....the Leg Cramps he always gets (nobody else does)...and the fact he looked 28 years old when he came into the league @18---LeFraud is more like it....but I could be wrong(probably not though).

+1 Max......but we're all haters because we see and say all these things without producing the needles and empty vials...we're haters , alright....we hate cheating

I just can't get over how he just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger.  From 230, to 240, to 250, to 260!  6'8" 260 are you ****ing kidding me?  I never heard about the tumor, but what does stand out to me is one report a few years ago, maybe just before he left for Miami, where he said that he didn't want to end up 30 years old with bad knees.  Um, don't steroids kill your joints, as well as other things (cough, cough).  I swear, sometimes half of his expressions after dunking the ball look like roid rage.  Either that, or he'd responding violently to a mixture of testosterone to offset the effects of the hgh haha.  It's not only him, either.  Wade has certainly gotten a lot thicker and then started breaking down.  Hmmm.  I don't ever remembering that guy having any knee problems before 12-13. 

I mean, some guys, like Pierce, are just big and have always stayed about the same size, while others, like KG, had to grow into his beanpole body lol, but even then, the difference was nothing like what we see with Lebron.  Are we even sure that he's really 29?  The guy looks like a tank with a jet engine, and yet has absolutely pathetic rebounding numbers for a guy of his size.  I think that 8 rpg last year was a career high.  Wow.  He's had a couple of 19 rebound games, but, with his body, would you believe that, after 10 years in the league, he has yet to record a single game of 20 rebounds, or even one 40-20 game?  His attitude towards rebounding, a big game here or there aside, appears to be, "don't we have people for this?"  I'm not asking him to lead the league in rebounding, but 8 as a career high?  Come on.

Bird averaged 10. With that kind of intelligence and being 6'9 why didn't he get more? He only grabbed 20 boards THREE times in 897 games (Basketball-reference). If he averaged that much in this era but couldn't get 20 boards in one game more often, would you be saying he's probably on PEDs too?

Why does Brook Lopez not rebound more? PEDs.

Bird was a great rebounder, especially for someone without the athletic gifts that Lebron has.  Yes, Larry was quicker and more athletic than most people gave him credit for, but he was never the athlete that Lebron is.  So how is it that he was a better rebounder?  1).  Skill - he understood positioning, boxing out, and had the uncanny ability to grab his own miss off of the basket and put it back in (I'm talking about when he would shoot a jump shot, btw).  2)  His desire and willingness to do the dirty work.  Diving after loose balls, keeping rebounds alive, saving passes about to go out of bounds, as he put it, "mopping up the floor," lol.  He would do anything to win.  Plus, especially in those days, the toll it must have taken on his body to keep getting those boards would have certainly added up, without, may I add, all of this padding that protects players like Wade nowadays (that stuff is just laughable), but he never stopped hustling, scrapping or fighting.  If he can do that, why can't Lebron, in a much easier and less physical era where almost no one boxes out?  It just doesn't make sense to me.  Rondo is a better rebounder than Lebron.   

[Beat LA]

LeBron...Steroids-?...HGH---?

Flippin obvious...from how his head grew like Barry Bonds...the Tumor removed from his jaw....the Leg Cramps he always gets (nobody else does)...and the fact he looked 28 years old when he came into the league @18---LeFraud is more like it....but I could be wrong(probably not though).

+1 Max......but we're all haters because we see and say all these things without producing the needles and empty vials...we're haters , alright....we hate cheating

I just can't get over how he just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger.  From 230, to 240, to 250, to 260!  6'8" 260 are you ****ing kidding me?  I never heard about the tumor, but what does stand out to me is one report a few years ago, maybe just before he left for Miami, where he said that he didn't want to end up 30 years old with bad knees.  Um, don't steroids kill your joints, as well as other things (cough, cough).  I swear, sometimes half of his expressions after dunking the ball look like roid rage.  Either that, or he'd responding violently to a mixture of testosterone to offset the effects of the hgh haha.  It's not only him, either.  Wade has certainly gotten a lot thicker and then started breaking down.  Hmmm.  I don't ever remembering that guy having any knee problems before 12-13. 

I mean, some guys, like Pierce, are just big and have always stayed about the same size, while others, like KG, had to grow into his beanpole body lol, but even then, the difference was nothing like what we see with Lebron.  Are we even sure that he's really 29?  The guy looks like a tank with a jet engine, and yet has absolutely pathetic rebounding numbers for a guy of his size.  I think that 8 rpg last year was a career high.  Wow.  He's had a couple of 19 rebound games, but, with his body, would you believe that, after 10 years in the league, he has yet to record a single game of 20 rebounds, or even one 40-20 game?  His attitude towards rebounding, a big game here or there aside, appears to be, "don't we have people for this?"  I'm not asking him to lead the league in rebounding, but 8 as a career high?  Come on.

He lost weight last year actually but let's forget about that and pick and choose what information to believe. Data mining at its finest.

No, no, you're right.  I apologize for that.  I knew that he did lose a little bit of weight, but I don't remember how much.  What is he down to now, 250-255?

[Beat LA]

LeBron...Steroids-?...HGH---?

Flippin obvious...from how his head grew like Barry Bonds...the Tumor removed from his jaw....the Leg Cramps he always gets (nobody else does)...and the fact he looked 28 years old when he came into the league @18---LeFraud is more like it....but I could be wrong(probably not though).

+1 Max......but we're all haters because we see and say all these things without producing the needles and empty vials...we're haters , alright....we hate cheating

I just can't get over how he just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger.  From 230, to 240, to 250, to 260!  6'8" 260 are you ****ing kidding me?  I never heard about the tumor, but what does stand out to me is one report a few years ago, maybe just before he left for Miami, where he said that he didn't want to end up 30 years old with bad knees.  Um, don't steroids kill your joints, as well as other things (cough, cough).  I swear, sometimes half of his expressions after dunking the ball look like roid rage.  Either that, or he'd responding violently to a mixture of testosterone to offset the effects of the hgh haha.  It's not only him, either.  Wade has certainly gotten a lot thicker and then started breaking down.  Hmmm.  I don't ever remembering that guy having any knee problems before 12-13. 

I mean, some guys, like Pierce, are just big and have always stayed about the same size, while others, like KG, had to grow into his beanpole body lol, but even then, the difference was nothing like what we see with Lebron.  Are we even sure that he's really 29?  The guy looks like a tank with a jet engine, and yet has absolutely pathetic rebounding numbers for a guy of his size.  I think that 8 rpg last year was a career high.  Wow.  He's had a couple of 19 rebound games, but, with his body, would you believe that, after 10 years in the league, he has yet to record a single game of 20 rebounds, or even one 40-20 game?  His attitude towards rebounding, a big game here or there aside, appears to be, "don't we have people for this?"  I'm not asking him to lead the league in rebounding, but 8 as a career high?  Come on.

Bird averaged 10. With that kind of intelligence and being 6'9 why didn't he get more? He only grabbed 20 boards THREE times in 897 games (Basketball-reference). If he averaged that much in this era but couldn't get 20 boards in one game more often, would you be saying he's probably on PEDs too?

Why does Brook Lopez not rebound more? PEDs.

Actually, in terms of player and body comparisons, Lebron is built like Karl Malone, only with ridiculous speed and quickness not normally seen in a player his size.  Athleticism and strength-wise, though, being compared to Malone is more than fair, imo, at 6'9" 250, and the mailman averaged 10.1 rebounds over 19 seasons, so it just doesn't compute to me how someone with athletic gifts such as Lebron would average a rather paltry 7.2 rpg for his career.  Last year, his mark of 6.9 rpg was the lowest since 06-07, when he averaged 6.7. 

[Beat LA]

Beat LA, how does his rebounding relate to allegations of steroid use?

It doesn't really haha, except for the fact that, with a body like his, don't you think it's odd that he consistently fails to rebound at a level befitting his physical abilities?  I think it's weird, but that's just me.  Maybe it's something between the ears that's missing in this regard lol.   

What are Kobe and MJ rebounding numbers?

Superstars like these three see rebounding as dirty work for commoners and not for the 'royalty' of basketball to which they belong. By the way they are usually out on the wing waiting for outlet passes so they can attack the opponents.

Thank you for making my point.  I know that MJ and Kobe are guards, so traditionally that was never their job.  However, this is where the whole, "we have people for this,' thing comes into play, imo.  Look at Magic.  A 6'8" pg   Yeah, he would gang rebound on both ends, especially to get the break going, but the Lakers had 'people' for that, in Kurt Rambis, Mitch Kupchak, Mychal Thompson, AC Green, and Worthy would help out too, occassionally - especially because Kareem was saving himself for the big games by the mid 80s, at least, which is certainly understandable.  Jordan had Grant, Cartwright, Oakley for a time, who he loved playing with because Charles did all of the dirty work for him lol, and when they replaced Grant with Rodman in 1995, and the formula remained the same.  I saw a podcast between Bill Simmons and Bird, and while they were talking about the 87 postseason, Larry said that he was actually the healthiest guy on the team lol, and Bill said, "Yeah, but you were playing like 43 minutes a game," and Bird smiled and said, "well that's all right.  I GET PAID FOR 48."  That's the difference.  That's a huge reason why we loved Larry - he's a superstar, but he played the game like a blue collar worker.  Where is that attitude in today's players?  Lebron and Kobe certainly don't have that, and neither did Jordan.

[Mazingerz]

Lebron and Steroids. Im shocked. Cramps, tumors - - > nothing to see here.

[freshinthehouse]

There is so much said and presumed about people in this world, especially famous people, that you can probably find a way to draw just about any conclusion you'd want.  Sometimes the evidence is overwhelmingly against the righteousness of a human being (eg, OJ, Hernandez...). But a lot of the time I think we like to make minor villains out of people who are just being human.  I am very glad that my personal decisions have not been public because I've probably made mistakes, been selfish, been thoughtless and been embarrassingly wrong at times. 

Lebron appears to be a pretty decent guy overall who, like most of us, makes some good decisions and some bad ones.  Hopefully, he is nice to his wife, children, mother, neighbors, waitresses and barbers. That would matter more to me than what others speculate about how he treats Pat Riley, Dwayne Wade. or the fans of Miami.

Neurotic Guy delivers.  TP!

[MBunge]

There is so much said and presumed about people in this world, especially famous people, that you can probably find a way to draw just about any conclusion you'd want.  Sometimes the evidence is overwhelmingly against the righteousness of a human being (eg, OJ, Hernandez...). But a lot of the time I think we like to make minor villains out of people who are just being human.  I am very glad that my personal decisions have not been public because I've probably made mistakes, been selfish, been thoughtless and been embarrassingly wrong at times. 

Lebron appears to be a pretty decent guy overall who, like most of us, makes some good decisions and some bad ones.  Hopefully, he is nice to his wife, children, mother, neighbors, waitresses and barbers. That would matter more to me than what others speculate about how he treats Pat Riley, Dwayne Wade. or the fans of Miami.

Besides already being the top 5 greatest player of all time, this point tip him over as exactly why I want him to be better than Jordan (the conversation is already in the air).  The guy is clearly a better human being than Jordan and Kobe.  He's the ultimate role model in my estimation.  He came to the league very immature (something we all go through) and has made mistakes in the past (again, we all do) but he has vastly improved and matured.  I just love the way he carries himself.  Unlike his two rivalries, he became a better person.

Magic.  Bird.  Russell.  Wilt.  Kareem.  Shaq.  Kobe.  Duncan.  Jordan.  You cannot, right now, put LeBron any better than #10.

Mike