Celtics interested in Jordan Hill

[Fafnir]

Just a perfect move.

Reason : lakers drafted randle and are interested in keeping gasol to start at center. Hill wants to start/play as many min possible

Celtics will offer him this opportunity and offer a 2-3 year deal at 6 or 7 million a year imo.

6 or 7?

1. We can't offer that sort of deal as we are over the cap, it'd have to be a sign and trade.

2. 6 million per year for Jordan Hill ugh......

[kozlodoev]

Would rather have Gortat or Monroe.

Given that both of them ask more than $10 million a year -- no, you wouldn't

Why not actually?  These 2 are some of the best centers in the league. Ill personally rather have gortat since i been following his progress since his backup days in Orlando. The opportunity for a center to put up 20+ any given night while being a efficient rebound and rim protector? Pleaseeee let me know where your going to find that under 10 mill? Hawes is the closest bet asking for 8 mil leven then , I'll pay the extra 2 to have Gortat. Your obviously down for the tank!

Because $10 million in annual cap space is an awful lot to lock up before all other dominoes are in place. Signing premium roleplayers is not addressing any of the issues this team has right now.

Also calling Gortat and Monroe "efficient rim protectors" is optimistic at best, delusional at worst.

[kozlodoev]

Just a perfect move.

Reason : lakers drafted randle and are interested in keeping gasol to start at center. Hill wants to start/play as many min possible

Celtics will offer him this opportunity and offer a 2-3 year deal at 6 or 7 million a year imo.

6 or 7?

1. We can't offer that sort of deal as we are over the cap, it'd have to be a sign and trade.

2. 6 million per year for Jordan Hill ugh......

Getting rid of Bogans and some of the non-guaranteed contract will put us at close to $48 million in total payroll. Depending on how the cap falls, this should be more than enough to sign Smart and Young, and make an reasonable offer to Hill.

[CelticsFanFromNYC]

According to SynergySports stats, Hill's a better offensive player than Gortat. There is not much difference defensively between the two and they're both below average. I've heard Gortat described as a rim protector more than once by Celticbloggers and it's not true. He's a big who can score down low, but provides Euro-defense.

Not overwhelmed by either, but there's not much out there and surprisingly, by points per possession stats, they're both better offensively than Monroe and all three are on a par defensively and all not very good.

I do agree with you on the defensive portion of your post.  Regarding offense,  the formulas they use for those offensive stats cant truly be compared based on  the situation of their teams.  The nights Hill played he was the 3rd . 2nd and 1st option on a tanking team. Gortat will always a  3rd option at most. Put Gortat on last years Lakers team and bet those formulas for advance offense statistics will see him aa a top offensive center in the league. There situations are completely different.

[Boris Badenov]

Hill's a nice young player. If we can get him for reasonable money and years, I don't see the downside.

As others have said, we are far from the point of fine-tuning the roster. We need young, productive players at reasonable money. Those guys can either develop in-house or be packaged for a bigger star. I think under the right terms Hill meets the bar.

[kozlodoev]

According to SynergySports stats, Hill's a better offensive player than Gortat. There is not much difference defensively between the two and they're both below average. I've heard Gortat described as a rim protector more than once by Celticbloggers and it's not true. He's a big who can score down low, but provides Euro-defense.

Not overwhelmed by either, but there's not much out there and surprisingly, by points per possession stats, they're both better offensively than Monroe and all three are on a par defensively and all not very good.

Just like Monroe, Lopez, Jefferson, Blatche, and some other notable Euros?

[CelticsFanFromNYC]

Would rather have Gortat or Monroe.

Given that both of them ask more than $10 million a year -- no, you wouldn't

Why not actually?  These 2 are some of the best centers in the league. Ill personally rather have gortat since i been following his progress since his backup days in Orlando. The opportunity for a center to put up 20+ any given night while being a efficient rebound and rim protector? Pleaseeee let me know where your going to find that under 10 mill? Hawes is the closest bet asking for 8 mil leven then , I'll pay the extra 2 to have Gortat. Your obviously down for the tank!

Because $10 million in annual cap space is an awful lot to lock up before all other dominoes are in place. Signing premium roleplayers is not addressing any of the issues this team has right now.

Also calling Gortat and Monroe "efficient rim protectors" is optimistic at best, delusional at worst.

You do make a good point bout future rebuilding. Especially without core pieces in place.

As far as efficient rim protector. Only referring to Gortat. more of my personal opinion. Monroe though? I'd be delusional for sure lolz

[colincb]

According to SynergySports stats, Hill's a better offensive player than Gortat. There is not much difference defensively between the two and they're both below average. I've heard Gortat described as a rim protector more than once by Celticbloggers and it's not true. He's a big who can score down low, but provides Euro-defense.

Not overwhelmed by either, but there's not much out there and surprisingly, by points per possession stats, they're both better offensively than Monroe and all three are on a par defensively and all not very good.

Just like Monroe, Lopez, Jefferson, Blatche, and some other notable Euros?

More prevalent weakness with the Euros, but certainly not limited to them. More style, than genetic deficiency. Asik's an exception.

[CelticsFanFromNYC]

Would rather have Gortat or Monroe.

Given that both of them ask more than $10 million a year -- no, you wouldn't

Why not actually?  These 2 are some of the best centers in the league. Ill personally rather have gortat since i been following his progress since his backup days in Orlando. The opportunity for a center to put up 20+ any given night while being a efficient rebound and rim protector? Pleaseeee let me know where your going to find that under 10 mill? Hawes is the closest bet asking for 8 mil leven then , I'll pay the extra 2 to have Gortat. Your obviously down for the tank!

Because $10 million in annual cap space is an awful lot to lock up before all other dominoes are in place. Signing premium roleplayers is not addressing any of the issues this team has right now.

Also calling Gortat and Monroe "efficient rim protectors" is optimistic at best, delusional at worst.

MY  choice was also made with the option of either paying Hill 8 mill or spending 2 more mill on either Gortat or Monroe. Which one would you do???

[kozlodoev]

As far as efficient rim protector. Only referring to Gortat. more of my personal opinion. Monroe though? I'd be delusional for sure lolz

Gortat is actually not very good in this department either. He's more in the Pekovic/David Lee mold, a big you will bang down low, grab some boards, and score some easy buckets -- but still a player whose only rim-protecting asset is being big. But yes, he's probably not as horrible as Monroe

MY  choice was also made with the option of either paying Hill 8 mill or spending 2 more mill on either Gortat or Monroe. Which one would you do???

That's a fairly optimistic scenario. I expect Hill to be closer to $6-7 million and Gortat and (especially) Monroe -- to $11-12 million. If that doesn't work out, I'd rather have no-one from this lot.

[colincb]

According to SynergySports stats, Hill's a better offensive player than Gortat. There is not much difference defensively between the two and they're both below average. I've heard Gortat described as a rim protector more than once by Celticbloggers and it's not true. He's a big who can score down low, but provides Euro-defense.

Not overwhelmed by either, but there's not much out there and surprisingly, by points per possession stats, they're both better offensively than Monroe and all three are on a par defensively and all not very good.

I do agree with you on the defensive portion of your post.  Regarding offense,  the formulas they use for those offensive stats cant truly be compared based on  the situation of their teams.  The nights Hill played he was the 3rd . 2nd and 1st option on a tanking team. Gortat will always a  3rd option at most. Put Gortat on last years Lakers team and bet those formulas for advance offense statistics will see him aa a top offensive center in the league. There situations are completely different.

I prefer per possession stats to +/- stats which have a lot of problems, particularly on defense. They aren't perfect.

[Mr October]

I can't believe how much love Jordan Hill is getting? Did you guys watch him play for the Lakers last year? Or watch him any year before that? I see people getting pulled into the stats per minute trap, while Hill was putting up good numbers on a garbage team.

Hill is barely a center. He isn't big and strong enough to defend the Gasols, Hibbert, Howard, Duncan, Cousins sized centers. He is not a rim protector against them, nor a shot blocker that will intimidate in the paint.

I don't consider him one of the top 30 centers in the NBA. But he will play hard, work hard, and get rebounds despite his lack of all around skill. He is a nice backup center.

As Who said, he is like Kris Humphries, (but just taller and skinnier).

5 million per year is about as much as i would spend on a backup center at this stage of rebuilding I think. Even then i dont like the idea of tying up 2015 cap space with a stack of role players like Hill and Bradley.

[CelticsFanFromNYC]

As far as efficient rim protector. Only referring to Gortat. more of my personal opinion. Monroe though? I'd be delusional for sure lolz

Gortat is actually not very good in this department either. He's more in the Pekovic/David Lee mold, a big you will bang down low, grab some boards, and score some easy buckets -- but still a player whose only rim-protecting asset is being big. But yes, he's probably not as horrible as Monroe

MY  choice was also made with the option of either paying Hill 8 mill or spending 2 more mill on either Gortat or Monroe. Which one would you do???

That's a fairly optimistic scenario. I expect Hill to be closer to $6-7 million and Gortat and (especially) Monroe -- to $11-12 million. If that doesn't work out, I'd rather have no-one from this lot.

Yea someone earlier in the thread said Hill would get almost 8 mill.  I also thought that was pretty optimistic. IF we didnt have Wallace contract. I'd be happy to pick up Gortat still. As far as rim protection, his work ethtic , and his willingness ot bang in the paint helps protect the rim more than his actual blocks. To me he fits best thought when your core is in place. Which is probably why he fit so good on Washington. I doubt he'll help carry a rebuilding team to a playoff spot though

[Tr1boy]

I can't believe how much love Jordan Hill is getting? Did you guys watch him play for the Lakers last year? Or watch him any year before that? I see people getting pulled into the stats per minute trap, while Hill was putting up good numbers on a garbage team.

Hill is barely a center. He isn't big and strong enough to defend the Gasols, Hibbert, Howard, Duncan, Cousins sized centers. He is not a rim protector against them, nor a shot blocker that will intimidate in the paint.

I don't consider him one of the top 30 centers in the NBA. But he will play hard, work hard, and get rebounds despite his lack of all around skill. He is a nice backup center.

As Who said, he is like Kris Humphries, (but just taller and skinnier).

5 million per year is about as much as i would spend on a backup center at this stage of rebuilding I think. Even then i dont like the idea of tying up 2015 cap space with a stack of role players like Hill and Bradley.

Hill has a max vert of 35" and excellent quickness for a center.

[Mr October]

I can't believe how much love Jordan Hill is getting? Did you guys watch him play for the Lakers last year? Or watch him any year before that? I see people getting pulled into the stats per minute trap, while Hill was putting up good numbers on a garbage team.

Hill is barely a center. He isn't big and strong enough to defend the Gasols, Hibbert, Howard, Duncan, Cousins sized centers. He is not a rim protector against them, nor a shot blocker that will intimidate in the paint.

I don't consider him one of the top 30 centers in the NBA. But he will play hard, work hard, and get rebounds despite his lack of all around skill. He is a nice backup center.

As Who said, he is like Kris Humphries, (but just taller and skinnier).

5 million per year is about as much as i would spend on a backup center at this stage of rebuilding I think. Even then i dont like the idea of tying up 2015 cap space with a stack of role players like Hill and Bradley.

Hill has a max vert of 35" and excellent quickness for a center.

That's why he was a lottery pick. I am sure all his combine measurables were awesome.

He was sooooo much like what Kris Humphries was for us. Humphries can jump and block shots too, and he too isn't a rim protector.