What would you do, Try for Embiid or trade picks for Love?

[Smokeeye123]

this shouldn't even be a debate. you trade for Love. embiid's injury is the same as yao ming's injury.

Michael Jordan had the same injury. It's not as if it is impossible to overcome or a death sentence.

[gpap]

this shouldn't even be a debate. you trade for Love. embiid's injury is the same as yao ming's injury.

Agreed my friend.

[badshar]

I don't understand why anyone would be willing to take a wait-and-see approach when we can get Love and Rondo in their prime and be looking for a third star to contend for quite some time.

By taking Embiid and starting over,  we're essentially delaying the "multiple-stars-to-contend" approach. And that doesn't account for possibly injuries in the future.

You take an established star over a potential star every time. Who's to say that Jabari Parker and Andrew Wiggins won't have the same career as T-Mac and Gerald Green, where one was constantly getting injured while the other never could live up to the hype? How do you know Embiid isn't the next Oden?

It's sad how we never learn from our past mistakes. We have never done well in the lottery yet we have people who would rather go to the lottery again than try to build a Love-Rondo-Melo trio.

Sometimes, I am left speechless by some people's logic.

[2short]

Love is a proven NBA all star, first and foremost, Embiid is unproven at NBA level but appears to be a great prospect.  Just off that I take Love.  Add in foot injury    I have visions of the GREAT Bill Walton's career .  What I'd do is work trade for Love (danny pay attention).
Our #6, sully, bayless and future first round pick (throw in philly one if needed)
Then I'd put Bass + #17 to move up and then I'd draft Embiid.

[NorthernLightning]

Franchise centers are like franchise Quarterbacks. If you have a chance to draft one, you do it every time.

[knuckleballer]

I don't understand why anyone would be willing to take a wait-and-see approach when we can get Love and Rondo in their prime and be looking for a third star to contend for quite some time.

By taking Embiid and starting over,  we're essentially delaying the "multiple-stars-to-contend" approach. And that doesn't account for possibly injuries in the future.

You take an established star over a potential star every time. Who's to say that Jabari Parker and Andrew Wiggins won't have the same career as T-Mac and Gerald Green, where one was constantly getting injured while the other never could live up to the hype? How do you know Embiid isn't the next Oden?

It's sad how we never learn from our past mistakes. We have never done well in the lottery yet we have people who would rather go to the lottery again than try to build a Love-Rondo-Melo trio.

Sometimes, I am left speechless by some people's logic.

How are you going to get Melo after trading for Love?  I don't see any realistic scenario for that.

[Rakulp]

Rondo ain't going nowhere...so let's remove that from the scenario up front.

Acquiring Love - Danny's word should be my offer is on the table to Minnesota, take it or get what you think is better from somebody else.  Moving on now.

Embiid possibly sliding - Intriguing, but only if we have enough information about his true physical condition to make an informed decision.  You just don't roll the dice when you rarely get picks this high and there are quality players available.  If Love goes elsewhere, and we feel confident that his injury situation is something time/surgery can fix (like Sully), I would have no problem with selecting him at #6 or even trying to move up a couple of spaces if you feel somebody else might pull the trigger first.

To summarize:  Love - we've made our offer, take it or leave it.  Embiid - willing to consider if health is proven, and willing to move up/give up assets to make the deal happen.  Even willing to try and do a deal that would allow us to somehow keep either the #6 or #17 pick.  Not sure what any team above us would value...but possibly several draft picks in the future might do it?

Rak

[Donoghus]

Franchise centers are like franchise Quarterbacks. If you have a chance to draft one, you do it every time.

If they're healthy.  If not, then you'll never actually have the franchise QB.

[knuckleballer]

Franchise centers are like franchise Quarterbacks. If you have a chance to draft one, you do it every time.

If they're healthy.  If not, then you'll never actually have the franchise QB.

Manning and his neck worked out well for the Broncos.  Brees and his surgically repaired shoulder worked out well for the Saints.  It is a gamble, but sometimes gambles pay off... huge.

[LooseCannon]

Franchise centers are like franchise Quarterbacks. If you have a chance to draft one, you do it every time.

If they're healthy.  If not, then you'll never actually have the franchise QB.

Manning and his neck worked out well for the Broncos.  Brees and his surgically repaired shoulder worked out well for the Saints.  It is a gamble, but sometimes gambles pay off... huge.

Gambling for the sake of gambling is stupid.  If you're taking a risk, you should be able to estimate the probability of success as part of the deal.

It's possible the risk might to be similar to the scenario where instead of back/foot problems, Embiid instead hypothetically has knee problems that require microfracture surgery this summer.  Would you still draft Embiid if that were his medical situation instead?

[Donoghus]

Franchise centers are like franchise Quarterbacks. If you have a chance to draft one, you do it every time.

If they're healthy.  If not, then you'll never actually have the franchise QB.

Manning and his neck worked out well for the Broncos.  Brees and his surgically repaired shoulder worked out well for the Saints.  It is a gamble, but sometimes gambles pay off... huge.

Key word being "sometimes".

A 7 footer with back & foot issues trying to play basketball is a scary concept. Especially if you're looking for him to be your franchise guy.

I'll leave this one up to the doctors but my feeling right now is that it's not a gamble worth taking this high in the draft.

[knuckleballer]

Franchise centers are like franchise Quarterbacks. If you have a chance to draft one, you do it every time.

If they're healthy.  If not, then you'll never actually have the franchise QB.

Manning and his neck worked out well for the Broncos.  Brees and his surgically repaired shoulder worked out well for the Saints.  It is a gamble, but sometimes gambles pay off... huge.

Key word being "sometimes".

A 7 footer with back & foot issues trying to play basketball is a scary concept. Especially if you're looking for him to be your franchise guy.

I'll leave this one up to the doctors but my feeling right now is that it's not a gamble worth taking this high in the draft.

 If they do go the rebuild route, which is looking more and more likely, I think it's an opportunity you can't pass up.  If they miss on Embiid, they still have so many future first round picks that I'm not as concerned.

Back to the QB comparison, the Miami Dolphins passed on Brees because they didnt think the risk was worth it.  They have been floundering since while the Saints are a perennial Super Bowl contender.

Many scouts think Embiid could be the next great center.    I'm willing to gamble on that, especially if Love, or any other star, is not available to the Celtics.

According to Dr. Kenneth Hunt, an Assistant Professor of Orthopedics at Stanford, that despite the high profile examples of athletes who have battled recurrences of a navicular fracture, "the healing rates of this fracture are high."
"The majority of these injuries will heal completely," Hunt said. "Getting to it early is a good prognostic sign. In his case, it appears it was treated early and appropriately. In the cases I have seen, the athletes that have recurrent fractures have high arches and stiff feet. They can develop large spurs in the adjacent bones. But again, to the majority of athletes this will heal and not be an issue in the future."

[Donoghus]

Franchise centers are like franchise Quarterbacks. If you have a chance to draft one, you do it every time.

If they're healthy.  If not, then you'll never actually have the franchise QB.

Manning and his neck worked out well for the Broncos.  Brees and his surgically repaired shoulder worked out well for the Saints.  It is a gamble, but sometimes gambles pay off... huge.

Key word being "sometimes".

A 7 footer with back & foot issues trying to play basketball is a scary concept. Especially if you're looking for him to be your franchise guy.

I'll leave this one up to the doctors but my feeling right now is that it's not a gamble worth taking this high in the draft.

 If they do go the rebuild route, which is looking more and more likely, I think it's an opportunity you can't pass up.  If they miss on Embiid, they still have so many future first round picks that I'm not as concerned.

Back to the QB comparison, the Miami Dolphins passed on Brees because they didnt think the risk was worth it.  They have been floundering since while the Saints are a perennial Super Bowl contender.

Many scouts think Embiid could be the next great center.    I'm willing to gamble on that, especially if Love, or any other star, is not available to the Celtics.

According to Dr. Kenneth Hunt, an Assistant Professor of Orthopedics at Stanford, that despite the high profile examples of athletes who have battled recurrences of a navicular fracture, "the healing rates of this fracture are high."
"The majority of these injuries will heal completely," Hunt said. "Getting to it early is a good prognostic sign. In his case, it appears it was treated early and appropriately. In the cases I have seen, the athletes that have recurrent fractures have high arches and stiff feet. They can develop large spurs in the adjacent bones. But again, to the majority of athletes this will heal and not be an issue in the future."

What percentage of those athletes were 7 foot basketball players who also had back issues? 

I agree that, if healthy, Embiid could be the next great center.  He certainly has the talent in my eyes.  Not much denying that. 

[knuckleballer]

Franchise centers are like franchise Quarterbacks. If you have a chance to draft one, you do it every time.

If they're healthy.  If not, then you'll never actually have the franchise QB.

Manning and his neck worked out well for the Broncos.  Brees and his surgically repaired shoulder worked out well for the Saints.  It is a gamble, but sometimes gambles pay off... huge.

Key word being "sometimes".

A 7 footer with back & foot issues trying to play basketball is a scary concept. Especially if you're looking for him to be your franchise guy.

I'll leave this one up to the doctors but my feeling right now is that it's not a gamble worth taking this high in the draft.

 If they do go the rebuild route, which is looking more and more likely, I think it's an opportunity you can't pass up.  If they miss on Embiid, they still have so many future first round picks that I'm not as concerned.

Back to the QB comparison, the Miami Dolphins passed on Brees because they didnt think the risk was worth it.  They have been floundering since while the Saints are a perennial Super Bowl contender.

Many scouts think Embiid could be the next great center.    I'm willing to gamble on that, especially if Love, or any other star, is not available to the Celtics.

According to Dr. Kenneth Hunt, an Assistant Professor of Orthopedics at Stanford, that despite the high profile examples of athletes who have battled recurrences of a navicular fracture, "the healing rates of this fracture are high."
"The majority of these injuries will heal completely," Hunt said. "Getting to it early is a good prognostic sign. In his case, it appears it was treated early and appropriately. In the cases I have seen, the athletes that have recurrent fractures have high arches and stiff feet. They can develop large spurs in the adjacent bones. But again, to the majority of athletes this will heal and not be an issue in the future."

What percentage of those athletes were 7 foot basketball players who also had back issues? 

I agree that, if healthy, Embiid could be the next great center.  He certainly has the talent in my eyes.  Not much denying that.

Yao Ming was easily over 300 pounds.  Ilgauskus eventually healed and had a long healthy career.  I assume treatment of this injury had improved dramatically since Walton's injury. 

These are only a few, but high profile, examples of 7 footers who struggled with this injury.  Are there other lesser known 7 footers that came back from it?  I don't know.  Jordan came back from it, granted he's not 7 feet, but he's 6'6" and jumps higher than anyone thus putting a lot of strain on it.  Dustin Pedroia just came back from it fine.  He's a little guy, but I guarantee he puts a ton of strain on his feet.  I realize I'm trying to talk myself into getting Embiid, but the payoff could be so huge.

[LooseCannon]

I realize I'm trying to talk myself into getting Embiid, but the payoff could be so huge.

If you buy a Powerball ticket, the payoff could be huge.  Are you buying one today?