Random question about Wallace

[hwangjini_1]

Think I am understanding it now.  In order to rob Brooklyn of the draft picks we are now stuck with that contract which means in reality for us to get rid of him we need to get robbed of our picks so in essence that trade might have set us back. Danny ainge might still have something up his sleeve but more and more I think about it all I see is full blown rebuild with our future picks. I said on this forum beginning of last year we will go through It one year and create a new big 3(I said rondo melo and someone like Aldridge) but I'm losing faith.

Don't lose faith. Don't lose patience. Danny's planned rebuild is not an overnight project. By all indications it will take at least 3 years for the celtics to be one contenders, at least.

Until then, we can speculate, debate, and otherwise enjoy watching young talent grow.  I have faith in Danny, we just have to suffer watching as well as enjoying the team for a few years.

[LooseCannon]

Don't lose faith. Don't lose patience. Danny's planned rebuild is not an overnight project. By all indications it will take at least 3 years for the celtics to be one contenders, at least.

Depending on what trades are available, there is a legitimate path to the Celtics being contenders next season with Wallace still on the roster.

[Smitty77]

Wallace is taking money of a very good player or star .....and we get nothing .

That money could buy Rondo some REAL help

It's nothing but a charity  contract.

Taking on Wallace was the price of getting rid of Jason Terry and picking up an additional first round pick.  I prefer having Wallace to having Terry and not having Brooklyn's 2018 pick.

I totally agree that picking up GWall helped us unload Terry's contract.  Jason is owed 5.45 million next year and he was ONLY a 7.48 Efficiency last year.  Granted, we owe GWall 10.11 million this year and next, he had a 10.02 Efficiency Rating and that was while playing with multiple injuries.  I truly think GWall can be around a 12 to 14 ER player for us this year.  I also think that Jason Terry to totally toast.  GWall is ONLY close to being toast.  Also, as mentioned before, GWall will become a nice expiring contract next year that then becomes MUCH MORE tradeable!!

Smitty77

[billysan]

Don't lose faith. Don't lose patience. Danny's planned rebuild is not an overnight project. By all indications it will take at least 3 years for the celtics to be one contenders, at least.

Depending on what trades are available, there is a legitimate path to the Celtics being contenders next season with Wallace still on the roster.

Thanx,

while I think Gerald is making a bunch of money I would rather spend elsewhere, he is nowhere near the waste some teams are dealing with or have dealt with to get to a better place. Think of that lummox that stole money from Philly and Cleveland the past few years. We could write a whole thread on those type of players.

I will stick with Gerald if we have to have an overpaid guy, he gives his body, heart and soul every nite on the court without reservation. From all accounts he is not a locker room cancer but a team guy. He can very likely be a nice veteran presence his last year that we might want to bring back on a minimum after his last year.

[pearljammer10]

Obviously Wallace has a pretty absurd contract for his talent and production. However, if we do rebuild on the fly and become a contender in the east next season an we are unable to fit his contract in a trade, Wallace can still be a really great addition to the bench and locker room of the squad.

[D.o.s.]

In a fair world, each team would have been allowed to use the amnesty clause one time whenever they wanted to. Unfortunately, that isn't the case, the latest CBA stated that the amnesty could only be used on players currently under contract for the team looking to use the amnesty. So because the Celtics spent wisely during that time and didn't have any bad contracts, the amnesty essentially punished the Celtics.

In short, no, Wallace cannot be amnestied.

In a fair world GM's wouldn't be given a 'do over' option by other GM's for the bad contracts they signed and traded for in the first place. 

[slamtheking]

Don't lose faith. Don't lose patience. Danny's planned rebuild is not an overnight project. By all indications it will take at least 3 years for the celtics to be one contenders, at least.

Depending on what trades are available, there is a legitimate path to the Celtics being contenders next season with Wallace still on the roster.

Thanx,

while I think Gerald is making a bunch of money I would rather spend elsewhere, he is nowhere near the waste some teams are dealing with or have dealt with to get to a better place. Think of that lummox that stole money from Philly and Cleveland the past few years. We could write a whole thread on those type of players.

I will stick with Gerald if we have to have an overpaid guy, he gives his body, heart and soul every nite on the court without reservation. From all accounts he is not a locker room cancer but a team guy. He can very likely be a nice veteran presence his last year that we might want to bring back on a minimum after his last year.

one other consideration is that if there are no big trades this offseason, both Wallace and Green are expiring deals after next season and would make excellent salary fillers in a deal for an all-star making significant money. 

I really think the 'fireworks' won't happen until next year when we're in a much better financial situation.

[Celtics4ever]

I really think the 'fireworks' won't happen until next year when we're in a much better financial situation.

That could be but what about Love,    I am one of the guys who thinks we have a shot at it but it is not set in stone amd our chances our slim. If we can get him without trading one of those that is great but we will still have to pay him if that happens.   

[billysan]

I really think the 'fireworks' won't happen until next year when we're in a much better financial situation.

That could be but what about Love,    I am one of the guys who thinks we have a shot at it but it is not set in stone amd our chances our slim. If we can get him without trading one of those that is great but we will still have to pay him if that happens.   

If we can get Love and Keep Rondo, we pay him, heck we pay both of them. I am sure Danny can add a few quality veteran pieces cheap and easily on the FA market with those two as headliners. As to Green/Wallace, I am confident Green would need to included in the Minnesota trade along with Sullinger and a pick. That leaves us with Crash for another year.

[2short]

Wallace's contract is horrible but pretty much every player from nj will be overpaid.  Very good point about moving terry's also bad contract.  One thing I think is important that if we need to trade green to upgrade then we have wallace ready to go.  Granted wallace isn't the player green is but if we do net love he can spread the floor as a pf opening lane for rondo, wallace etc.  Hopefully we draft a young sf if this happens and when wallace becomes expiring we can move him

[Roy H.]

Wallace's contract is horrible but pretty much every player from nj will be overpaid.  Very good point about moving terry's also bad contract.  One thing I think is important that if we need to trade green to upgrade then we have wallace ready to go.  Granted wallace isn't the player green is but if we do net love he can spread the floor as a pf opening lane for rondo, wallace etc.  Hopefully we draft a young sf if this happens and when wallace becomes expiring we can move him

For whatever it's worth, I think it would be borderline useless to trade for Kevin Love if Gerald Wallace was our starting SF.  Wallace is a bad basketball player right now, and his low-level play would harm our win total, which would in turn harm our chances of re-signing Love.

[2short]

Wallace's contract is horrible but pretty much every player from nj will be overpaid.  Very good point about moving terry's also bad contract.  One thing I think is important that if we need to trade green to upgrade then we have wallace ready to go.  Granted wallace isn't the player green is but if we do net love he can spread the floor as a pf opening lane for rondo, wallace etc.  Hopefully we draft a young sf if this happens and when wallace becomes expiring we can move him

For whatever it's worth, I think it would be borderline useless to trade for Kevin Love if Gerald Wallace was our starting SF.  Wallace is a bad basketball player right now, and his low-level play would harm our win total, which would in turn harm our chances of re-signing Love.

I agree in part but we would need to start someone at sf if green was moved for a center etc  In Wallace  ?.at least we would have a good defender who could drive the lanes with Love's outside shooting.  Crash has passed but he still plays good defense and passes well.  His lack of shooting the ball is tough to handle.  I'd be all for someone else but assuming we had locked up love and asik or gortat I don't know who we could play there.  I'd much rather keep green as an effective #2 or #3 offensive option, guy plays very good defense and team ball.

[Celtics4ever]

Hayward might be the SF maybe that is what DA is planning.   I think though it is a lateral move at best.  But we all know Stevens likes him and he was his guy.  I am hoping ( and it is a slim Hope at that)  that we get Parson in some trade with Houston.   They won't need him with Melo.

[jambr380]

Wallace's contract is horrible but pretty much every player from nj will be overpaid.  Very good point about moving terry's also bad contract.  One thing I think is important that if we need to trade green to upgrade then we have wallace ready to go.  Granted wallace isn't the player green is but if we do net love he can spread the floor as a pf opening lane for rondo, wallace etc.  Hopefully we draft a young sf if this happens and when wallace becomes expiring we can move him

For whatever it's worth, I think it would be borderline useless to trade for Kevin Love if Gerald Wallace was our starting SF.  Wallace is a bad basketball player right now, and his low-level play would harm our win total, which would in turn harm our chances of re-signing Love.

I agree in part but we would need to start someone at sf if green was moved for a center etc  In Wallace  ?.at least we would have a good defender who could drive the lanes with Love's outside shooting.  Crash has passed but he still plays good defense and passes well.  His lack of shooting the ball is tough to handle.  I'd be all for someone else but assuming we had locked up love and asik or gortat I don't know who we could play there.  I'd much rather keep green as an effective #2 or #3 offensive option, guy plays very good defense and team ball.

I see no reason why Minny would want Green as a trade 'asset' - he would just be an additional contract and I don't think Danny is going to give up on what would be his third scoring option next year just to make the numbers work.

As for a center - in the case of Asik (and probably Gortat), Houston wouldn't want a player back. In getting the TPE, they essentially gain a contract to use for a trade that doesn't count against their cap. That is huge if they go for somebody like Carmelo and need to clear space. If they demanded more, I think they would much rather have a pick than a player (and players can't be combined with the TPE anyway).

I love Green on this team moving forward - he is versatile on offense and defense. As a first or 2nd option he is pretty out of his element, but as a 3rd option (not necessarily 3rd best player) he would be great. The fact that nobody else cares to have him on their team only cements his place on ours. He is a fine player if not too much is expected of him.

[Celtics4ever]

He is a fine player if not too much is expected of him.

I do not know if this is a compliment or an insult to Green LOL