Is Kevin Love Overrated.

[Tr1boy]

Underrated by people who think that he isn't good enough to be a potential MVP.

This is where he is overrated. I don't see Love ever winning an MVP.

Yeah, I don't think I can see Love ever winning an MVP.

As long as LeBron, Durant, and (maybe) Anthony Davis are in the league and in their primes, I have a hard time seeing anyone winning an MVP other than those 3 players.

But that shouldn't be a knock against Love.  Those are once in a generation type players we're talking about.  Plenty of other HOF players have never won a MVP.

Interesting that Kevin Love is regularly criticized because he 'never led his team to the playoffs', but Anthony Davis is regularly heralded as the next in line for the MVP throne despite not making the playoffs either.

Last season in 77 games Love averaged 26.1 points, 12.5 rebounds, and 4.4 assists. Davis over 67 games averaged 20.8 points, 9.1 rebounds, and 1.6 assists. Minnesota finished the season 40/42 while New Orleans finished 34/48.

Love is only four years older than Davis...

Only 4 years older ?

Davis is a complete player , love is not. I highly doubt any gms would choose love over davis if given the choice

[D.o.s.]

Davis has the capability to be a complete two way player. Love does not.

That's the big difference, I don't believe there's a single GM in the league that would start from scratch with Love over Davis today.

[Mr Green]

Underrated by people who think that he isn't good enough to be a potential MVP.

This is where he is overrated. I don't see Love ever winning an MVP.

Yeah, I don't think I can see Love ever winning an MVP.

As long as LeBron, Durant, and (maybe) Anthony Davis are in the league and in their primes, I have a hard time seeing anyone winning an MVP other than those 3 players.

But that shouldn't be a knock against Love.  Those are once in a generation type players we're talking about.  Plenty of other HOF players have never won a MVP.

Interesting that Kevin Love is regularly criticized because he 'never led his team to the playoffs', but Anthony Davis is regularly heralded as the next in line for the MVP throne despite not making the playoffs either.

Last season in 77 games Love averaged 26.1 points, 12.5 rebounds, and 4.4 assists. Davis over 67 games averaged 20.8 points, 9.1 rebounds, and 1.6 assists. Minnesota finished the season 40/42 while New Orleans finished 34/48.

Love is only four years older than Davis...

Only 4 years older ?

Davis is a complete player , love is not. I highly doubt any gms would choose love over davis if given the choice

Yes, Love is 25 and Davis is 21.

Davis is not a complete player yet.

[Mr Green]

Davis has the capability to be a complete two way player. Love does not.

That's the big difference, I don't believe there's a single GM in the league that would start from scratch with Love over Davis today.

Yes it's a no-brainer to pick Davis over Love at the moment simply because he's on a rookie contract.

But that's not the issue I raised. I was pointing out a distinct difference of opinion about them despite their similar circumstances of not having made the playoffs. Especially when Love's stats and win record are superior to Davis.

[D.o.s.]

Davis has the capability to be a complete two way player. Love does not.

That's the big difference, I don't believe there's a single GM in the league that would start from scratch with Love over Davis today.

Yes it's a no-brainer to pick Davis over Love at the moment simply because he's on a rookie contract.

But that's not the issue I raised. I was pointing out a distinct difference of opinion about them despite their similar circumstances of not having made the playoffs. Especially when Love's stats and win record are superior to Davis.

The difference there is sample size -- Davis just completed his second season in the league. LeBron missed the playoffs his first two years in the league, too.

Love's stats for his first two years, by the way, are anything but 'superior to Davis':
http://bkref.com/tiny/OKsjO

And, in his first two seasons in the league, Love and the Wolves went 39-125. Davis and the Pelicans have gone 61-103.

So your 'similar circumstance' is brutally superficial: by any comparable metric, keeping the comparison as even as possible, Davis is on track to be a much better player than Love -- rookie deal or not.

[Mr Green]

Davis has the capability to be a complete two way player. Love does not.

That's the big difference, I don't believe there's a single GM in the league that would start from scratch with Love over Davis today.

Yes it's a no-brainer to pick Davis over Love at the moment simply because he's on a rookie contract.

But that's not the issue I raised. I was pointing out a distinct difference of opinion about them despite their similar circumstances of not having made the playoffs. Especially when Love's stats and win record are superior to Davis.

The difference there is sample size -- Davis just completed his second season in the league. LeBron missed the playoffs his first two years in the league, too.

Love's stats for his first two years, by the way, are anything but 'superior to Davis':
http://bkref.com/tiny/OKsjO

And, in his first two seasons in the league, Love and the Wolves went 39-125. Davis and the Pelicans have gone 61-103.

So your 'similar circumstance' is brutally superficial: by any comparable metric, keeping the comparison as even as possible, Davis is on track to be a much better player than Love -- rookie deal or not.

Well your 'similar circumstance' is brutally quixotic: it is not a comparable metric to compare 2009 apples with 2014 oranges. The only stats which matter are from 2013/14 because we're living in a what have you done for me lately world.

The bottom line is Love and Davis are young power forwards who have never made the playoffs. People currently criticize Love for currently averaging 26/12/4 and winning 40 games during 2013/14 while lauding Davis for currently averaging 20/9/1 while winning 34 games during 2013/14.

[LilRip]

3 -- Rubio, right now, was the worst case scenario everyone was throwing around before Rondo got back to the injury. The guy is still one of the most effortlessly amazing passers out there, but his team is crap (and that assessment includes Kevin Love). Rubio desperately needs to be surrounded by quality teammates in order for him to play well. Love might play better next to Rondo, but I suspect their relationship on the court will be relatively similar -- the difference is that Boston will most likely be able to field a much better team around them.

thank you Dos, for this assessment. Whenever Rubio gets brought up on this forum, he's described as a scrub or a bust, which in my opinion, is so off-base. While his scoring is highly inconsistent and still needs work, he's already a terrific passer and a clever thief. He won't likely ever elevate his team to new heights in the way a Jason Kidd would do, but i think he's a definite starter in this league. Plus, isn't he only in his 3rd year in the league? lots of time to improve.

[LilRip]

Davis has the capability to be a complete two way player. Love does not.

That's the big difference, I don't believe there's a single GM in the league that would start from scratch with Love over Davis today.

Yes it's a no-brainer to pick Davis over Love at the moment simply because he's on a rookie contract.

But that's not the issue I raised. I was pointing out a distinct difference of opinion about them despite their similar circumstances of not having made the playoffs. Especially when Love's stats and win record are superior to Davis.

i don't know about other people here, but I would pick Davis over Love even if Davis was on an extension and Love was on a rookie contract.

[D.o.s.]

Davis has the capability to be a complete two way player. Love does not.

That's the big difference, I don't believe there's a single GM in the league that would start from scratch with Love over Davis today.

Yes it's a no-brainer to pick Davis over Love at the moment simply because he's on a rookie contract.

But that's not the issue I raised. I was pointing out a distinct difference of opinion about them despite their similar circumstances of not having made the playoffs. Especially when Love's stats and win record are superior to Davis.

The difference there is sample size -- Davis just completed his second season in the league. LeBron missed the playoffs his first two years in the league, too.

Love's stats for his first two years, by the way, are anything but 'superior to Davis':
http://bkref.com/tiny/OKsjO

And, in his first two seasons in the league, Love and the Wolves went 39-125. Davis and the Pelicans have gone 61-103.

So your 'similar circumstance' is brutally superficial: by any comparable metric, keeping the comparison as even as possible, Davis is on track to be a much better player than Love -- rookie deal or not.

Well your 'similar circumstance' is brutally quixotic: it is not a comparable metric to compare 2009 apples with 2014 oranges. The only stats which matter are from 2013/14 because we're living in a what have you done for me lately world.

The bottom line is Love and Davis are young power forwards who have never made the playoffs. People currently criticize Love for currently averaging 26/12/4 and winning 40 games during 2013/14 while lauding Davis for currently averaging 20/9/1 while winning 34 games during 2013/14.

The bottom line is that Davis just finished up his 2nd year in the league, so it makes exactly zero sense to compare his accomplishments against Love's 6th year in the league. If you can't understand why... then I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that you're trying to make this false equivocation stick.

The expectations for a player in his second year and a player in his sixth are different. Once you can grok that, I'll be back to explain some more fundamental mysteries of the basketball universe, like 'Why The Pass Made Is Better Than The Shot Taken'

[Celtics18]

The criticisms against Kevin Love are that he doesn't match up to Lebron James or Kevin Durant and that the young Anthony Davis--the one young guy who everybody expects to blossom into a superstar--is likely to surpass him?

I don't think those three players are available.  After that, Love is probably the next best thing.  If we can get him, then we should absolutely get him.  The idea that he won't be a good fit for the Celtics is nothing short of absurd, in my opinion. 

Let me post his numbers for the 2013-2014 season again:

26.1 PPG (4th in the league), 12.5 RPG (3rd in the league), 4.4 APG (2nd among bigs in the league).

Wow!!

[Celtics18]

The criticisms against Kevin Love are that he doesn't match up to Lebron James or Kevin Durant and that the young Anthony Davis--the one young guy who everybody expects to blossom into a superstar--is likely to surpass him?

I don't think those three players are available.  After that, Love is probably the next best thing.  If we can get him, then we should absolutely get him.  The idea that he won't be a good fit for the Celtics is nothing short of absurd, in my opinion. 

Let me post his numbers for the 2013-2014 season again:

26.1 PPG (4th in the league), 12.5 RPG (3rd in the league), 4.4 APG (2nd among bigs in the league).

Wow!!

 . . . but, he doesn't play defense.

I can't think of a star in the league (well, maybe just one or two) who hasn't had that criticism aimed at him at some point during his career. 

[Fafnir]

Once Davis is 5 years into his career he'll be getting the same criticism if his teams aren't winning.

[kozlodoev]

3 -- Rubio, right now, was the worst case scenario everyone was throwing around before Rondo got back to the injury. The guy is still one of the most effortlessly amazing passers out there, but his team is crap (and that assessment includes Kevin Love). Rubio desperately needs to be surrounded by quality teammates in order for him to play well. Love might play better next to Rondo, but I suspect their relationship on the court will be relatively similar -- the difference is that Boston will most likely be able to field a much better team around them.

thank you Dos, for this assessment. Whenever Rubio gets brought up on this forum, he's described as a scrub or a bust, which in my opinion, is so off-base. While his scoring is highly inconsistent and still needs work, he's already a terrific passer and a clever thief. He won't likely ever elevate his team to new heights in the way a Jason Kidd would do, but i think he's a definite starter in this league. Plus, isn't he only in his 3rd year in the league? lots of time to improve.

When you're shooting below .370(!) for your career, you have a scoring issue that's just a tad more severe than "highly inconsistent". Especially if you're a guy that's expected to have the ball in his hands a lot in a game.

[Tr1boy]

With love imo is that we will become the next knicks (of the past 3 years). Just not good enough and wont have money left to get help.

I understand to many here that its better to take this chance  vs go through the rebuild route. But to me its not worth the risk. The ceiling of a knicks like team is limited to passing the 1st round

Btw ppl mention melo went to the conf finals once. Well that nuggets team was pretty stacked with billups a young nene etc. Plus anthony was not making max I dont think at that stage of his career

[Fafnir]

3 -- Rubio, right now, was the worst case scenario everyone was throwing around before Rondo got back to the injury. The guy is still one of the most effortlessly amazing passers out there, but his team is crap (and that assessment includes Kevin Love). Rubio desperately needs to be surrounded by quality teammates in order for him to play well. Love might play better next to Rondo, but I suspect their relationship on the court will be relatively similar -- the difference is that Boston will most likely be able to field a much better team around them.

thank you Dos, for this assessment. Whenever Rubio gets brought up on this forum, he's described as a scrub or a bust, which in my opinion, is so off-base. While his scoring is highly inconsistent and still needs work, he's already a terrific passer and a clever thief. He won't likely ever elevate his team to new heights in the way a Jason Kidd would do, but i think he's a definite starter in this league. Plus, isn't he only in his 3rd year in the league? lots of time to improve.

When you're shooting below .370(!) for your career, you have a scoring issue that's just a tad more severe than "highly inconsistent". Especially if you're a guy that's expected to have the ball in his hands a lot in a game.

Bob Cousy is glad you escape his ire with his career .375. 

It is mind boggling a guard in the modern NBA is shooting like that.