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Which team will offer a 6M/yr contract to Avery Bradley this summer?
« on: June 06, 2014, 06:43:57 PM »

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As title.

I am reviewing the status of other 29 teams this summer. And I found I cannot figure one team that is:

1. Well below the salary cap.
2. Desperately need a start SG.
Thus 3. Has every intension to offer Avery Bradley a contract more than 6M/yr.

Most teams have settled their SG starter last year. And some playoff teams has no room to pursue AB with a big contract. All they have are no more than Mid-level exception.

If the situation is true, AB unfortunately will have to accept a 5M/yr contract.
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2014, 06:53:10 PM »

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If there isn't any team willing to offer AB a big contract via cap room, the best contract AB can get from other teams (via Non-Taxayer Mid-Level Exception) shall be:

14-15  5,305,000
15-16  5,543,725
16-17  5,782,450
17-18  6,021,175
TOTAL 22,652,350

Our counter contract can be:

14-15  5,220,000
15-16  5,611,500
16-17  6,003,000
17-18  6,394,500
18-19  6,786,000 (team option)
TOTAL 30,015,000
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Re: Which team will offer a 6M/yr contract to Avery Bradley this summer?
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2014, 07:00:49 PM »

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My answer?

None.

Bradley has been injured too much for teams to seriously take him on.
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2014, 07:02:36 PM »

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Even if he's often injured i think he deserve more than $6m/yr. He should be offered at least $8m/yr. He showed some potential sincerely it would be crazy to let him go & see him becoming a beast like Joe Johnson.
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2014, 07:08:14 PM »

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Quote from: Nef-Oracle on June 06, 2014, 07:02:36 PM
Even if he's often injured i think he deserve more than $6m/yr. He should be offered at least $8m/yr. He showed some potential sincerely it would be crazy to let him go & see him becoming a beast like Joe Johnson.

Bradley isn't worth anywhere near 8 million.. Can't pass, can't dribble, and his basketball IQ is pretty bad. His defense/hustle was what got us fans in love with him, but Bradley is what he is. A glorified 3 and D type of player that is undersized, who also takes a sheer amount of mid range shots, and some of them are contested, (one of the worst shots to take.)

Bradley's only 'potential,' should be attributed to the possibility that he can have an efficient 3 pt shot, and hopefully some day can finish inside. Due to the fact Bradley can't handle or pass the ball well, creates many match up problems for Bradley, because he needs to have the ball given to him, and then he takes the shot.

I like Bradley. I would want him to stay here, but I don't know if hes worth over 5 million. I would offer a 4/12 contract with bonuses if he can remain healthy per each year.

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Re: Which team will offer a 6M/yr contract to Avery Bradley this summer?
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2014, 07:13:49 PM »

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Quote from: Nef-Oracle on June 06, 2014, 07:02:36 PM
Even if he's often injured i think he deserve more than $6m/yr. He should be offered at least $8m/yr. He showed some potential sincerely it would be crazy to let him go & see him becoming a beast like Joe Johnson.

So, which team will give him a 8m/yr contract this summer? I cannot find one. Lots of people  just tell me how good he is, but none of them can figure one team that will take action this summer.
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2014, 07:14:18 PM »

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crazy to let him go & see him becoming a beast like Joe Johnson.

Does Joe play more than 64 games a year.   That is the most that AB has played.  He has played 31, 64, 50 and 60 games.   Now the 31 he was a rookie.   So after that he is averaging 58 Games a year, I cut out the rookie year.  That averages out to 70% of the games a year.   

We should offer him 5.6 Million it is 70% of 6 million.
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2014, 07:17:51 PM »

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These all seem possible:

Orlando, if Afflalo is dealt.
Utah, if Hayward proves too expensive to keep.
Milwaukee could use an upgrade over Mayo.
Detroit has the cap space, and Bradley would be a very good fit there.
Houston has cap space, and Bradley would be an interesting complement to Harden.
Phoenix, if Bledsoe proves too expensive to keep.
Philadelphia has cap space. A Bradley-MCW backcourt would be quite good.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2014, 07:41:31 PM by Lucky17 »
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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2014, 07:18:34 PM »

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Quote from: Celtics4ever on June 06, 2014, 07:14:18 PM
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crazy to let him go & see him becoming a beast like Joe Johnson.

Does Joe play more than 64 games a year.   That is the most that AB has played.  He has played 31, 64, 50 and 60 games.   Now the 31 he was a rookie.   So after that he is averaging 58 Games a year, I cut out the rookie year.  That averages out to 70% of the games a year.   

We should offer him 5.6 Million it is 70% of 6 million.

Not to nitpik, but

70% of $6M is $4.2M

I still would give him between $5.5M and $6M

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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2014, 08:21:12 PM »

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Quote from: Nef-Oracle on June 06, 2014, 07:02:36 PM
Even if he's often injured i think he deserve more than $6m/yr. He should be offered at least $8m/yr. He showed some potential sincerely it would be crazy to let him go & see him becoming a beast like Joe Johnson.

That's a very enthusiastic prediction, and way too much money to give to him. That's the kind of bidding against yourself that roasts bad GMs.
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Re: Which team will offer a 6M/yr contract to Avery Bradley this summer?
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2014, 10:16:24 AM »

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Quote from: Monkhouse on June 06, 2014, 07:00:49 PM
My answer?

None.

Bradley has been injured too much for teams to seriously take him on.

I very strongly disagree.

There have been a LOT of players over the past few years who have had significant injury history in the league, and yet have still been signed to big contacts afterwards. 

As extreme examples just look at guys like Eric Gordon, Monta Ellis, Rudy Gay...those guys have all missed quite a number of games to injury over the years, but still got significant contracts afterwards.

For more extreme examples look at guys like Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, Andrew Bynum.  These guys basically had mutiple major season / career ending injuries, yet teams still took significant gambles with big contracts afterwards. 

If teams like a particular player, they'll pay the money.  Sure they will factor injury history in to the equation, but that doesn't immediately kill the player's ability to get a good contact.  It's only after you get to Roy / Oden / Bynum level (after their 3rd or so combacks) that people are going to really get scared off, and you'll have to take cheap deals to prove you aren't made of glass anymore.  Bradley is still young, and aside from his rookie year he has still played more games than he's missed each season.  He's not even close to the "unsignable" status of guys like the ones listed above.

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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2014, 10:31:08 AM »

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Quote from: Monkhouse on June 06, 2014, 07:08:14 PM
Bradley isn't worth anywhere near 8 million.. Can't pass, can't dribble, and his basketball IQ is pretty bad. His defense/hustle was what got us fans in love with him, but Bradley is what he is. A glorified 3 and D type of player that is undersized, who also takes a sheer amount of mid range shots, and some of them are contested, (one of the worst shots to take.)

I think that's a bit harsh.

Bradley doesn't have the passing / ball handling / court vision to be a starting PG in the NBA, that much I'll agree with.  He struggles to handle the ball under full court pressure, which is fair enough.

I think his ball handling and passing both improved a lot last season, to the point where he is no longer a liability at the SG spot, or in limited spot minutes in a backup PG role.  He might not put up a ton of assists, but his turnover ratio last season was one of the lowest in the NBA for a starting SG despite the fact that he actually had the ball in his hands quite a lot.

As for scoring, I think he's already shown he's pretty capable of that.  Last season he averaged 15 PPG on a pretty efficient 45% FG and 40% 3PT, and managed pretty efficient percentages despite being Boston's #2 scoring option and having to shoot a lot more than he has in the past.  We already knew he was a good cutter and good at running the fast break, but this season he also proved that he's a capable three point shooter and a solid shooter midrange.  He also showed that he can create his own shot, which is how he got many of thise mid-range pull ups. 

AB also ranked among the upper echelon of guards in rebounding last season, another thing people forget.

He's also got a great team attitude - Boston players and coaches all seem to love him and constantly rave about his 'team first' attitude and incredible work ethic.  That's another attribute that doesn't show up on a stat sheet, but is very much appreciated by GM's and coaches.

Avery Bradley is by no means a star player (at least not right now) but he has a much better skill set than people give him credit for here.  He'll likely never put up decent assist numbers and he may never be a good enough ball handler to start at the PG spot, but you could argue he was Boston's best player last season, up there with Green and Sully. He would be a solid fit (as either a stater or a backup) on almost any team.
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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2014, 10:35:50 AM »

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Quote from: D.o.s. on June 06, 2014, 08:21:12 PM
Quote from: Nef-Oracle on June 06, 2014, 07:02:36 PM
Even if he's often injured i think he deserve more than $6m/yr. He should be offered at least $8m/yr. He showed some potential sincerely it would be crazy to let him go & see him becoming a beast like Joe Johnson.

That's a very enthusiastic prediction, and way too much money to give to him. That's the kind of bidding against yourself that roasts bad GMs.

While it might be too much, understand that any GM wanting Bradley has to bid against Ainge's willingness to match an offer sheet.  If you want him, you have to offer somethinng more than Ainge will pay.  I think Ainge's walk away point is somewhere between $7-8 million.  Restricted free agency for some players can hold down salaries, since no one wants to waste their time negotiating with a player who's offer sheet will be matched.  But for some players you wind up getting more than you otherwise would have, since a team just makes an offer to scare away the possibility of an offer sheet being matched.

At the end of the day, I think Bradley isn't unique enough for this to happen, and restricted free agency will hold down his price.  I'm fairly sure Danny thinks that too.  But there's a real chance that someone pays a lot to keep Danny from matching.  Maybe it will be too much, but it's definitely not "bidding against yourself."
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« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2014, 10:42:35 AM »

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Quote from: Monkhouse on June 06, 2014, 07:08:14 PM
Quote from: Nef-Oracle on June 06, 2014, 07:02:36 PM
Even if he's often injured i think he deserve more than $6m/yr. He should be offered at least $8m/yr. He showed some potential sincerely it would be crazy to let him go & see him becoming a beast like Joe Johnson.

Bradley isn't worth anywhere near 8 million.. Can't pass, can't dribble, and his basketball IQ is pretty bad. His defense/hustle was what got us fans in love with him, but Bradley is what he is. A glorified 3 and D type of player that is undersized, who also takes a sheer amount of mid range shots, and some of them are contested, (one of the worst shots to take.)

Bradley's only 'potential,' should be attributed to the possibility that he can have an efficient 3 pt shot, and hopefully some day can finish inside. Due to the fact Bradley can't handle or pass the ball well, creates many match up problems for Bradley, because he needs to have the ball given to him, and then he takes the shot.


  Didn't Bradley's agent turn down a decent sized contract already? This would seem to indicate that he's under the impression he can get a sizeable offer somewhere.
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« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2014, 10:47:35 AM »

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Quote from: BballTim on June 07, 2014, 10:42:35 AM
Quote from: Monkhouse on June 06, 2014, 07:08:14 PM
Quote from: Nef-Oracle on June 06, 2014, 07:02:36 PM
Even if he's often injured i think he deserve more than $6m/yr. He should be offered at least $8m/yr. He showed some potential sincerely it would be crazy to let him go & see him becoming a beast like Joe Johnson.

Bradley isn't worth anywhere near 8 million.. Can't pass, can't dribble, and his basketball IQ is pretty bad. His defense/hustle was what got us fans in love with him, but Bradley is what he is. A glorified 3 and D type of player that is undersized, who also takes a sheer amount of mid range shots, and some of them are contested, (one of the worst shots to take.)

Bradley's only 'potential,' should be attributed to the possibility that he can have an efficient 3 pt shot, and hopefully some day can finish inside. Due to the fact Bradley can't handle or pass the ball well, creates many match up problems for Bradley, because he needs to have the ball given to him, and then he takes the shot.


  Didn't Bradley's agent turn down a decent sized contract already? This would seem to indicate that he's under the impression he can get a sizeable offer somewhere.

The reported offer was 4 year, $24 million at the beginning of the year.  As shown elsewhere, the MLE is about 4 years, $23 million.  It's unlikely Bradley goes below that floor, so the risk of turning that down was low, even if he doesn't wind up with much better.
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