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can we get both hibbert and Love?
« on: June 01, 2014, 10:32:42 AM »

Offline Humble G

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Without giving up green rondo or bradley that is.
I really like the lineup of rondo bradley green love hibbert. Good defense. Bradley ans love can hit the 3's. Green and rondo in the lane and hibbert can do whatever lol

I know alot bash hibbert right now but idc. He needs a fresh start and out of indiana where they got too big to fast. And those of u who say he has no defense or too slow are crazy.....he is one guy Lebron is semi afraid of at the rim.

But back to my initial question.....
Love for sully #6 pick brklyn pick and a future first plus filler.
would indy do like bass, #17 pick, clips pick and a celtics future first?

Still have bayless cj pressy wallace KO Iverson, and Fav on the bench?
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Re: can we get both hibbert and Love?
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2014, 10:56:37 AM »

Offline Nef-Oracle

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A big NO for Hibbert!! This guy & Stephenson killed the pacers. Hibbert is a garbage player, stats don't lie: 0pts in 5 playoffs games the same year!! We don't want him here anyway.
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Re: can we get both hibbert and Love?
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2014, 11:17:51 AM »

Offline Humble G

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Quote from: Nef-Oracle on June 01, 2014, 10:56:37 AM
A big NO for Hibbert!! This guy & Stephenson killed the pacers. Hibbert is a garbage player, stats don't lie: 0pts in 5 playoffs games the same year!! We don't want him here anyway.

Once again idc bout this years playoffs. Last year hibbert was phenomenal and was quite good for a good chunk of this year. Plus in indy he had no pg or anyone to get him the ball when and where he needs/likes. Rondo could be great for him! And he is still one of the best rim protectors in the game today.


But seriously.....i know i cant control whats posted on this thread but im more interested in seeing what indy wants for hibbert not bashing him....i think there is a whole another thread full of it.
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Re: can we get both hibbert and Love?
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2014, 11:36:39 AM »

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Hibbert could be a buy low guy/high upside guy. Last year at this time people had Hibbert as a top 3 center in the league. I don't know if I want Hibbert though. I do know we will need a defensive presence in the paint though to offset Love's defensive lapses if we get him.
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Re: can we get both hibbert and Love?
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2014, 11:45:18 AM »

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Indiana really needs a center in return for Hibbert. Without that -- and Boston can't give them that -- I think the Pacers need an All-Star caliber player at another position to justify giving him up.

After all, Hibbert's shot-blocking and interior defense is a huge part of that team's identity. They win through their defense + rebounding. That is their backbone. Their spine of the team where everything else is built off of. That is what Indiana would be giving up here. On a 55 win team that has gone to back to back ECF. And to justify breaking up, Indiana would need a big time player coming back their way.

I think Rondo is the only piece Ainge has that Bird would give up Roy Hibbert for.

None of the Celtics other assets make much sense for them given the makeup of their team (L.Stephenson, P.George, D.West) and how strong a team their current group already is (rebuilding assets not attractive for them).
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2014, 11:51:44 AM »

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Hibbert is a big fat slob of a man.

"If I was his size I would murder the world" Game of Thrones.

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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2014, 12:13:25 PM »

Offline pearljammer10

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I think I would actually rather have Asik than Hibbert an we wouldn't have to give up as much to get him.
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Re: can we get both hibbert and Love?
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2014, 03:01:57 PM »

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Quote from: Who on June 01, 2014, 11:45:18 AM
Indiana really needs a center in return for Hibbert. Without that -- and Boston can't give them that -- I think the Pacers need an All-Star caliber player at another position to justify giving him up.

After all, Hibbert's shot-blocking and interior defense is a huge part of that team's identity. They win through their defense + rebounding. That is their backbone. Their spine of the team where everything else is built off of. That is what Indiana would be giving up here. On a 55 win team that has gone to back to back ECF. And to justify breaking up, Indiana would need a big time player coming back their way.

I think Rondo is the only piece Ainge has that Bird would give up Roy Hibbert for.

None of the Celtics other assets make much sense for them given the makeup of their team (L.Stephenson, P.George, D.West) and how strong a team their current group already is (rebuilding assets not attractive for them).

I agree Who.  They will need a center.  That being said, how about Jeff Green and Avery Bradley (re-signed) and a future first for Hibbert (provided we get Love).  The Pacers can then sign and trade Stephenson (who they appear to have soured on, at least Bird has) for the Center they will need??

Thoughts?

Smitty77
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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2014, 03:16:56 PM »

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Stephenson did not "kill the Pacers."
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2014, 03:33:40 PM »

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Quote from: Endless Paradise on June 01, 2014, 03:16:56 PM
Stephenson did not "kill the Pacers."

Yea, I mean, Stephenson was the only Pacer who showed up for the [dang] playoffs!
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2014, 03:39:29 PM »

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Whatever the reason for Hibbert and George and the Pacers implosion this year, you gotta feel for Bird and the Pacers front office. They had built a great mix of vets and young stars back in 2001 with Jermaine Oneal, Ron Artest, Jonathan Bender, Reggie Miller, and Jalen Rose, and that team imploded and their young stars either became too mentally unstable to keep or got chronically injured.

Now they recover, build up another great mix of young talent and vets, and they implode again under strange circumstances. You can never take luck for granted in the NBA.
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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2014, 03:42:44 PM »

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Quote from: Smitty77 on June 01, 2014, 03:01:57 PM
Quote from: Who on June 01, 2014, 11:45:18 AM
Indiana really needs a center in return for Hibbert. Without that -- and Boston can't give them that -- I think the Pacers need an All-Star caliber player at another position to justify giving him up.

After all, Hibbert's shot-blocking and interior defense is a huge part of that team's identity. They win through their defense + rebounding. That is their backbone. Their spine of the team where everything else is built off of. That is what Indiana would be giving up here. On a 55 win team that has gone to back to back ECF. And to justify breaking up, Indiana would need a big time player coming back their way.

I think Rondo is the only piece Ainge has that Bird would give up Roy Hibbert for.

None of the Celtics other assets make much sense for them given the makeup of their team (L.Stephenson, P.George, D.West) and how strong a team their current group already is (rebuilding assets not attractive for them).

I agree Who.  They will need a center.  That being said, how about Jeff Green and Avery Bradley (re-signed) and a future first for Hibbert (provided we get Love).  The Pacers can then sign and trade Stephenson (who they appear to have soured on, at least Bird has) for the Center they will need??

Thoughts?

Smitty77

No - Jeff Green and Avery Bradley wouldn't be enough.

I don't think Avery Bradley has much trade value. He is a poor man's George Hill (who is a much more well rounded offensive player). Jeff Green has value and Larry Bird has spoken well of him in the past but J.Green also plays the same position as their best player, Paul George. Not a super fit (for either player).

I think the Celtics would need to throw a major asset into that deal to make it enticing for Indiana. I think the #6 pick at least. Along with J.Green (and Bradley or cap filler Bogans non-guaranteed contract if Indy preferred).

Even then, I think that would only be interesting for Indiana - as you said above - if Indiana could find a sign and trade with L.Stephenson that brought them back an above average starting quality center ... which is a big if -- and I think Indy would need that sign and trade lined up and done before they green light trading Hibbert for (mainly) a lottery pick (since it'd risk putting them back into a rebuilding phase). Too much risk otherwise.
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Re: can we get both hibbert and Love?
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2014, 04:28:42 PM »

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Quote from: pearljammer10 on June 01, 2014, 12:13:25 PM
I think I would actually rather have Asik than Hibbert an we wouldn't have to give up as much to get him.

Yea I second this motion, Hibbert's lack of athleticism really showed in the playoffs not really feeling high on him.
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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2014, 04:59:05 PM »

Offline OhioGreen

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Trade Rondo and filler for Hibbert, 2rd this yr, 1st next year
Trade for Love (whatever, reasonably, it takes)
Sign LStephenson as FA
Draft MSmart w/#6
Draft ?Warren,KAnderson w/17

Smart
Stephenson or AB
JGreen or Stephenson
Love
Hibbert

dependent on trade for Love
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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2014, 05:19:45 PM »

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Hmmmmm i think bradley》hill.......avg 15 ppg to hills 10ppg....and bradley is a great defender and is developing his offensive game nicely imo.

Hibbert is more flashy than asik  to me and has more upside than asik.....asik is just boring and we would need more pieces if we just him.

Finally i dont wanna trade rondo at all....we r not trading him if we traded for Love.

What about getting a third team involved? Send picks and bass to detroit and send greg monroe/and  a future first to indy? ....just off top of my head or indy may want bass for defense and shooting off bench so they send hill to detroit.
Idk......just thoughts lol
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