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I'm not a fan of him because his defense sucks and pairing with Love hasn't worked out all that well in my opinion, but does Minnesota actually have interest in keeping Pekovic's contract without Love?

I have to wonder they wouldn't be too happy keeping that long contract. If that is true, would salary relief would be enough to get him to the Celtics (for example, using Wallace's contract)?

Would we be actually interested in investing in Pekovic as well with his long contract, even if the Love-Pekovic due hasn't worked all that well defensively?

Aside from the picks involved, this is the scenario I would envision (give or take some other minor prospects involved in the movement) would have to work or something quite similar to it... of course, with the assumption that Minnesota would be highly interested in cap relief and not being saddled with that long contract.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nrhwu3e

Rondo
?????
Green
Love-Olynyk
Pekovic-?????-Anthony

(Didn't bother including the rest of players who are under contract, they have little salary cap relevance and have little impact whether they stay or go in my opinion)


After these assumed move, we should be at around $58 million committed in salary. You'd still have to factor in any rookie deals, but that would depend on which will be retained, if any. The projected salary cap is looking like around 63.2 million and the tax level is projected to be around $77 million.

I'd imagine that even with all these moves done, there would still be, at least for this particular season, a big interest in staying away from paying luxury tax. That gives us about a $19 million wiggle room to work with to solidify the rest of the roster without going into tax land (about $23 million to be within the apron).

And if you make these moves, I'd imagine keeping Bradley becomes that much more of a priority I would think no?

We'd still have that big Trade Exception to use to solidify our roster.

And all the other salary cap exceptions, mid-level, bird-rights (Humphries, Bayless), etc.

Anyways, the main questions I'm asking, and the ones I'm actually interested in discussing are:

Does Minnesota has interest in keeping Pekovic with Love gone?
If they aren't, is a bit of salary relief (Wallace's contract) enough?
If it's enough, should the Celtics have interest in dealing for him even if the Love-Pekovic pairing has been far from ideal?
If it isn't enough, and the Celtics (us) have interest in him, what do you figure need to be added to sweeten the deal? And is that price worth paying?

Don't think I've seen this point being discussed in the forum, though I haven't been as active... and with the crapload of Love threads around, it was hard to find. So forgive me if there's a similar discussion going around.

Re: Would Minnesota still be interested in keeping Pekovic after Love?
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2014, 08:32:54 PM »

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Ya um no thx to pekovic..

Re: Would Minnesota still be interested in keeping Pekovic after Love?
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I was talking about this in another thread today.

Pek was playing in Love's shadow, not getting enough shots, and still averaging 17 ppg on 13 shots.

It's not like Pek's defense is any worse than Love's, and he's better inside than Love is from 3.

He'd be much cheaper to acquire than Love, and his contract is pretty reasonable for an improving and borderline dominant post scorer.

He'd be a big upgrade at center for us, and would allow KO and Sully to play more power forward.

Sully is a better defender than Love, so that would work out better defensively than Love/Pek in Minny, and KO looks to be no worse than Love defensively over the long term.

Draft Aaron Gordon to improve frontcourt defense at both the 3 and the 4, and save our assets.

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If the Celtics get Love, I have no interest in pairing him with one of those no-defense centers like Pekovic or Greg Monroe.
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Re: Would Minnesota still be interested in keeping Pekovic after Love?
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If the Celtics get Love, I have no interest in pairing him with one of those no-defense centers like Pekovic or Greg Monroe.

Well, is that really the important part? I think the important question is whether you rather have 2 years of Wallace or 4 years of Pekovic when they make similar salary.

I'm with you, I have little interest in pairing Love with Pekovic... but when you have no center on your team, and have a dead weight in your team like Wallace is, is the Pekovic alternative really a bad option? I'm hard press to say it is.

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If the Celtics get Love, I have no interest in pairing him with one of those no-defense centers like Pekovic or Greg Monroe.

Well, is that really the important part? I think the important question is whether you rather have 2 years of Wallace or 4 years of Pekovic when they make similar salary.

I'm with you, I have little interest in pairing Love with Pekovic... but when you have no center on your team, and have a dead weight in your team like Wallace is, is the Pekovic alternative really a bad option? I'm hard press to say it is.

I'd rather wait and see if another center possibility opens up in the future.  I think it's a horrible panic move to try and trade Wallace just for the sake of moving him immediately.
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If the Celtics get Love, I have no interest in pairing him with one of those no-defense centers like Pekovic or Greg Monroe.

Well, is that really the important part? I think the important question is whether you rather have 2 years of Wallace or 4 years of Pekovic when they make similar salary.

I'm with you, I have little interest in pairing Love with Pekovic... but when you have no center on your team, and have a dead weight in your team like Wallace is, is the Pekovic alternative really a bad option? I'm hard press to say it is.

I'd rather wait and see if another center possibility opens up in the future.  I think it's a horrible panic move to try and trade Wallace just for the sake of moving him immediately.

Does getting your hand on Pekovic prevent you from acquiring a center more than having Wallace around?

Or does it enhance the possibility given that Pekovic might actually have some trade value who might fit better on a different team which isn't the Celtics?

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I would think Pekovic would become their most irreplaceable player once Love leaves.
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Re: Would Minnesota still be interested in keeping Pekovic after Love?
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If the Celtics get Love, I have no interest in pairing him with one of those no-defense centers like Pekovic or Greg Monroe.

Well, is that really the important part? I think the important question is whether you rather have 2 years of Wallace or 4 years of Pekovic when they make similar salary.

I'm with you, I have little interest in pairing Love with Pekovic... but when you have no center on your team, and have a dead weight in your team like Wallace is, is the Pekovic alternative really a bad option? I'm hard press to say it is.

I'd rather wait and see if another center possibility opens up in the future.  I think it's a horrible panic move to try and trade Wallace just for the sake of moving him immediately.

Does getting your hand on Pekovic prevent you from acquiring a center more than having Wallace around?

Or does it enhance the possibility given that Pekovic might actually have some trade value who might fit better on a different team which isn't the Celtics?

You seem to think his contract is so toxic that Minnesota might prefer to have Wallace.

Pekovic just doesn't fit what I want out of the center position, so I look down on acquiring him as much as I would look down upon using Wallace to acquire a ball-dominant volume-scoring wing with a low three-point percentage who can put up an inefficient 20+ppg.
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If the Celtics get Love, I have no interest in pairing him with one of those no-defense centers like Pekovic or Greg Monroe.

Well, is that really the important part? I think the important question is whether you rather have 2 years of Wallace or 4 years of Pekovic when they make similar salary.

I'm with you, I have little interest in pairing Love with Pekovic... but when you have no center on your team, and have a dead weight in your team like Wallace is, is the Pekovic alternative really a bad option? I'm hard press to say it is.

I'd rather wait and see if another center possibility opens up in the future.  I think it's a horrible panic move to try and trade Wallace just for the sake of moving him immediately.

Does getting your hand on Pekovic prevent you from acquiring a center more than having Wallace around?

Or does it enhance the possibility given that Pekovic might actually have some trade value who might fit better on a different team which isn't the Celtics?

You seem to think his contract is so toxic that Minnesota might prefer to have Wallace.

Pekovic just doesn't fit what I want out of the center position, so I look down on acquiring him as much as I would look down upon using Wallace to acquire a ball-dominant volume-scoring wing with a low three-point percentage who can put up an inefficient 20+ppg.

I don't think his contract is toxic at all, just figure that without Love it has little value for Minnesota and counter productive as they rebuild towards the future.

And personally I don't think Wallace is enough to get the deal done. Wallace and a pick maybe, but probably not even then.

It's simply a matter of how much Minnesota values an increase in their cap room and how soon do they want it.

I also figure they can get a better deal out of another team.

But still was curious about what people thought about the possibilities.

The way I see it though, without Love, I don't think Pek is of much value to them... unless they luck out with a stud.

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No, Pekovic is more valuable to them without Love. And if Pek was getting the number of shots Love was, we'd be calling him the superstar.

He's Pretty much Brook Lopez, on a reasonable and long term contract.