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Re: Scout: Nurkic is like a Demarcus Cousin type
« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2014, 12:02:11 AM »

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Demarcus cousins is a much better athlete.

Yeah, I don't see any Cousins in him, even adjusting for the Adriatic League bias that makes Saric a Larry Bird clone.

His size intrigues me, though.  He kinda looks like Big Country Reeves.

That is actually a very good comparison.  Similar game also

Yeah, and Big Country retired early due to weight and back problems. Which this kid looks destined to have. 

Re: Scout: Nurkic is like a Demarcus Cousin type
« Reply #31 on: May 25, 2014, 04:17:45 AM »

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Nice summary triboy.

I personally am worried about Nurkic. He looks like he has quick feet in this video but it's deceptive. Watch other videos vs good defenders and he really struggles vs length.
He's frustrating because his numbers and stats are amazing, but he's only playing 16 minutes.
On paper he looks solid but I can't see the upside of this kid.

ie in that game his spin move around 1 hr 15 mins is nice, but the defense is just garbage. There's a reason Colton Iverson scores 20 points in games over there.

He throws up a lot of flat, lazer shots which are quick and fast of the backboard, but again, vs NBA defenders those will get chewed up.

My preference, if we are going for a big man, is to get a legit shot blocker/rim protector with upside.
My guy is Clint Capela...he needs to put on some muscle, but he's got incredible timing and anticipation on defense.... here's a bit of quick footage from the recent hoop summit.

Clint Capela 6' 11"
Standing reach 9' 2.5" standing reach
7' 5" wingspan
31.5' max vertical (last measurement was taken in 2013)
weight 221 pounds

Nurkic 6' 11.5"
standing reach 9' 1.5'
wingspan 7' 2"
23 inch max vertical (measured 2013 also)
weight 280 pounds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5BICh_Z82A

No way his max vert can be that low. Kelly Olynyk's no step vertical is 24.5. 

Capela has some nice physical tools but he is raw and about 20-30 pounds of muscle away from being able to play in the NBA (if he ever will).   The celts can't be waiting on projects to develop unless its a guy like Kristaps Porzingis who is already very skilled and just needs to add weight/strength.

That's what his max vert is listed at. His weight for his length and size isn't too low actually.
He's 221 pounds. Tyson Chandler was 224 pounds in NBA pre-draft measurements. Capella's reach and vertical are both better than Chandlers, in fact his wingspan is 3 inches more lol.

Check out the write up these guys did on him in January.
http://search.draftexpress.com/article/NBA-Draft-Prospect-of-the-Week-Clint-Capela-4385/

I think you'd find there's an argument for saying it's far easier to throw Capella into an NBA game as a shot blocker/rim protector right away ahead of Nurkic as an offensive big man with mediocre post skills. He has size and bulk but his reach is average and his athleticism is okay but nothing special.

Anyway, I think Clint Capela has a much higher chance of success at his role in the NBA than Nurkic. Just my opinion.
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Re: Scout: Nurkic is like a Demarcus Cousin type
« Reply #32 on: May 25, 2014, 11:07:07 AM »

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I do like Capela's upside better because of his athleticism and length.  However he is much more raw.  We'd have to be patient with his development.  Heck, I would have liked to see us draft Gobel last year, but we went in a different direction.  It looks like DA is avoiding athletic 'projects' after the failure with Fab Melo.

Nurkic looks more ready in terms of his body and physical play.  He can't really jump but he's probably an upgrade over Iverson.  We'll see.  I don't see Nurkic as a top 6 pick though.  In the 10-20 range would be reasonable however.

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« Reply #33 on: May 25, 2014, 11:50:50 AM »

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Doubting he breaks into the top 15. I see no chance of him breaking the top 10. The consensus amongst scouts is Embiid is really the only center prospect worth much of anything in this draft. Guys like Nurkic and Capella and even Cauley Stein if he had come out weren't rated that well and are only being considered in the mid first because they are centers and there are so few great to good centers in the league.

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« Reply #34 on: May 25, 2014, 11:57:35 AM »

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Nurkic looks to me like he has poor jumping ability and a low release point on his shots around the rim.  He's big, strong and skilled.  I don't think he's worthy of the 6th pick, but if the Celts can get him with the 17th pick or move up a few spots, he'd be an interesting gamble.

TP - this is pretty much how I feel. I don't dislike the guy, but don't want to disrupt our top 6 choice by trading down to pick him up. If he is available at 17 and we haven't taken Embiid (obviously) or Vonleh, then he is worth a shot. I kind of am wanting a scorer/shooter like Warren or Hood or an athlete like Lavine at that spot, though.

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« Reply #35 on: May 25, 2014, 02:01:46 PM »

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Nurkic is 280 pounds and moves quicker than some pf's.  I rather have this combination than a guy who is 280 can jump but has choppy movements.   Some say he shoots low.  If you see the highlights, his spins are too fast to predict/react.  Once he spins and starts adding fakes/up and unders you could be out on foul trouble fast than you know it.

He loves the post spin moves bc its his bread and butter go to move but from what i read, he has many more moves/options on the offensive end. It's just his best move is nearly unstoppable and my guess is that the coach is asking him to stick to it. He also has a running hook shot, potential as a jump shooter (shooting over 75 percent at the ft line) and passing skills (seeing the highlights myselfs i'm impressed by his court awareness).

Also looks like he can pact on 10 more pounds without losing his mobility/agility. Imagine facing a 290 pound freight train tonight?? get the ice buckets ready

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« Reply #36 on: May 25, 2014, 02:53:26 PM »

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Absolutley not....

Just because he is fat and tall does not mean he is comparable to Demarcus Cousins. Lets not forget how long Cousins is: 7'5'' wingspan, 9'5'' standing reach.......yea Nurkic is not even close to those numbers.

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« Reply #37 on: May 25, 2014, 03:17:27 PM »

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Absolutley not....

Just because he is fat and tall does not mean he is comparable to Demarcus Cousins. Lets not forget how long Cousins is: 7'5'' wingspan, 9'5'' standing reach.......yea Nurkic is not even close to those numbers.

Well Cousin and his 7'5 wingspan, 9'5 standing reach has done little to nothing for his kings since he has been drafted. I've seen enough times a less athletic , less length player like Monroe take it too him bc he is not physical enough. Against Horford, Grandfather Duncan, all the same result

Nurkic immerses himself in physical play. He is like playing wrestling underneath the basket against 2 bodies and fighting for position and rebounds at the same time.  I like that.  Since Perk/KG we haven't a guy that can do the wrestling and come out on top (Sullinger to a lesser extent).

 
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« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2014, 05:00:38 PM »

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Capella is intriguing, this team needs some athletic size badly.

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« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2014, 05:20:49 PM »

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We don't need a type

Celtics need some REAL stars

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« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2014, 06:36:53 PM »

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Nurkic is 280 pounds and moves quicker than some pf's.  I rather have this combination than a guy who is 280 can jump but has choppy movements.   Some say he shoots low.  If you see the highlights, his spins are too fast to predict/react.  Once he spins and starts adding fakes/up and unders you could be out on foul trouble fast than you know it.

He loves the post spin moves bc its his bread and butter go to move but from what i read, he has many more moves/options on the offensive end. It's just his best move is nearly unstoppable and my guess is that the coach is asking him to stick to it. He also has a running hook shot, potential as a jump shooter (shooting over 75 percent at the ft line) and passing skills (seeing the highlights myselfs i'm impressed by his court awareness).

Also looks like he can pact on 10 more pounds without losing his mobility/agility. Imagine facing a 290 pound freight train tonight?? get the ice buckets ready

There aren't many (if any?) players in the NBA with a shot like this because:

a)The NBA's defenders won't let you push them around as easily as this
b)There's a half decent weak-side shot blocker in most NBA starting lineups who will see him post up and prepare. There are plenty off the bench too like Mahinmi or Chris Anderson who will rotate over and chew it up.

At pick 17 it's hard to say if Nurkic will be around but I'd be willing to roll the dice on him there. I'd prefer Capella though but can see your excitement in Nurkic. He's got potential.
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« Reply #41 on: May 25, 2014, 06:59:57 PM »

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Nurkic is 280 pounds and moves quicker than some pf's.  I rather have this combination than a guy who is 280 can jump but has choppy movements.   Some say he shoots low.  If you see the highlights, his spins are too fast to predict/react.  Once he spins and starts adding fakes/up and unders you could be out on foul trouble fast than you know it.

He loves the post spin moves bc its his bread and butter go to move but from what i read, he has many more moves/options on the offensive end. It's just his best move is nearly unstoppable and my guess is that the coach is asking him to stick to it. He also has a running hook shot, potential as a jump shooter (shooting over 75 percent at the ft line) and passing skills (seeing the highlights myselfs i'm impressed by his court awareness).

Also looks like he can pact on 10 more pounds without losing his mobility/agility. Imagine facing a 290 pound freight train tonight?? get the ice buckets ready

There aren't many (if any?) players in the NBA with a shot like this because:

a)The NBA's defenders won't let you push them around as easily as this
b)There's a half decent weak-side shot blocker in most NBA starting lineups who will see him post up and prepare. There are plenty off the bench too like Mahinmi or Chris Anderson who will rotate over and chew it up.

At pick 17 it's hard to say if Nurkic will be around but I'd be willing to roll the dice on him there. I'd prefer Capella though but can see your excitement in Nurkic. He's got potential.

Not sure chambers. You saw the highlights. He had Iverson a few times and not stating Iverson is a shot blocking machine, but still is 265 pounds, has nba reach and wingspan. On the plays,  Iverson had to first stop him from getting position , which he couldn't do bc Nurkic is that massive and has a strong base, than before he could raise his hand, the shot already went up.

Nurkic not only has the mass to push his way into the paint but when he gets there, he knows how to spin and throw it off the backboard before you can think.  You brought up the point that in the nba the guys are much stronger.  Well are they strong enough to hold off 280 pounds throughout the game?? eventually you will get tired.  Also as i already pointed out, before a pf or someone else can help block the shot, its already off the backboard

Don't be surprised if Nurkic is chosen as early as 6th imo. Danny can have an easier summer by drafting Nurkic (bc it won't be mandatory to go out and get a center) and concentrate on building the team in other ways. He doesn't sound like he wants to get rid of Green nor will be easy to deal him.  Rondo will be back healthier and will have more room to operate.

A bonafide center that can operate in the post in the offensive end and move his feet in the defensive can really help this team.  We will be still kind of rebuilding but this time around we have a chance to make 7th or 8th place.   Then we can go from there

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« Reply #42 on: May 25, 2014, 07:04:26 PM »

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I'm reading Nurkic signed a 4 year extension with his current team (until 2018) in Feb/March 2014.

Then i'm reading on forums that there are no contract obligations/complications and can play in the nba as soon as next season. His agent is Leon Rose

Can anybody explain how this works?

Googling hasn't turned up anything, but it is possible that he has a buyout clause that is relatively small and not an impediment to bringing him to the NBA.
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« Reply #43 on: May 25, 2014, 07:08:12 PM »

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Weird.  Nbadraft.net has him going in the 2nd round.

That's not unusual.  If there are questions about whether or not a player will come to the US, they might slip.  Nikola Pekovic was a mid-first round talent but dropped to the second round because teams felt he wouldn't come over for a rookie scale contract but could offer him more if he was a second-round pick.
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