Outlining What Kevin Love Suitors Could Offer

[TheFlex]

I think that some of the other teams' "best offers" are incomplete.  For instance, Chicago could add Mirotic and/or a future pick, other teams could add additional draft picks, etc.

By best offer I'm referring to the highest a team's offer could rank within a certain market value range in order to be in the running for Love. The Bulls could offer Mirotic, sure. Celts could cough up the LAC pick or another BKN pick, sure. The Suns could throw in another 2014 pick... etc. But I don't believe the market demands them to do so. The Bulls still might not trade Gibson/Dunleavy/Butler/Snell/picks, but I believe that's what it'd take for them to get Love (which is what I intended to be the point of the thread, as I told colincb). I think offering Mirotic would be overpaying, which Chicago certainly won't do.

[Lucky17]

I don't get the idea of the "market" keeping the price for Love at a fixed point.

Once teams start getting wind of who's offering how much, they'll increase their offers if they are serious about acquiring Love.

Only takes two committed teams to create a bidding war.

[TheFlex]

I don't get the idea of the "market" keeping the price for Love at a fixed point.

Once teams start getting wind of who's offering how much, they'll increase their offers if they are serious about acquiring Love.

Only takes two committed teams to create a bidding war.

And hence the asking price increases. I can't predict which teams will be most aggressive and how high they'll raise the bar. Right now, this is the price for Love in my humble opinion.

[Gainesville Celtic]

one thing I've not seen raised -- and I doubt it's a real thing but i'm curious to hear others' take:

Is there any reluctance on MIN's part to get a boatload of assets from BOS for Love versus getting them from any other team?

What i mean is: *if PHO and BOS offer roughly the same thing* (i.e. all things equal --- a couple good 1sts, absorbing a contract or 2 and a couple good young players), doesn't MIN go with PHO just to keep their fanbase from saying "NOT AGAIN!!!" we've traded a franchise player for a pu pu platter from Boston?!?

[Lucky17]

one thing I've not seen raised -- and I doubt it's a real thing but i'm curious to hear others' take:

Is there any reluctance on MIN's part to get a boatload of assets from BOS for Love versus getting them from any other team?

What i mean is: *if PHO and BOS offer roughly the same thing* (i.e. all things equal --- a couple good 1sts, absorbing a contract or 2 and a couple good young players), doesn't MIN go with PHO just to keep their fanbase from saying "NOT AGAIN!!!" we've traded a franchise player for a pu pu platter from Boston?!?

Only one person within the Wolves organization can answer that, I think: Glen Taylor, the only member of the Wolves brass who was present during the KG trade.

Plus, I don't think there's ever a situation where two teams will give up the exact same value in return. From one point of view or another, one offer will look better than the other. If it's Boston's, Minnesota has to take it, or they're doing themselves a disservice.

[Monkhouse]

one thing I've not seen raised -- and I doubt it's a real thing but i'm curious to hear others' take:

Is there any reluctance on MIN's part to get a boatload of assets from BOS for Love versus getting them from any other team?

What i mean is: *if PHO and BOS offer roughly the same thing* (i.e. all things equal --- a couple good 1sts, absorbing a contract or 2 and a couple good young players), doesn't MIN go with PHO just to keep their fanbase from saying "NOT AGAIN!!!" we've traded a franchise player for a pu pu platter from Boston?!?

That argument actually got brought up countless times.

Past history should not factor into personnel/front office decisions in making trades for players like KG/Love.

If the Celtics have the best offer, then its wise to choose it regardless of past experiences. Saunders is in a tough situation, and replacing/making up for Kahn's mistakes is also going to be very hard.

Above all, the FO from Kahn days are pretty much all gone and different, and Saunders must make the right decision no matter what. If BOS acquires Love, and we win a championship that year. Oh well.

You make decisions based on rationality, and not emotions.
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I think Sully, Bass, Bogans, Celtics '14 pick, 2016 Nets, and one future Celtic pick is a pretty attractive offer.

I think the users overrate Sully, and seem to undermine Love. Despite the fact while Sully may be better 'defensively,' and I sort of doubt that, Love is the souped up version of Sully. I don't think Sully will ever be a superstar or a candidate for MVP conversations at all. Sully is not so loved by other teams, and some actually think his trade value is overrated due to his height/weight and injury history.

[colincb]

I think you've made the offers too sweet for Boston and others.  This is a buyers market.

Boston's not throwing 3 1sts into the deal (at least without protection), but Minnesota trying to rid itself of Budlinger's or Kevin Martin's contract is a real possibility.

I've yet to hear anything like the deal you're putting on the table for GSW. Lee, Barnes, and a 2015 first with GSW reluctant to include Thompson never mind Green.  Wolves fans hate that deal because of Lee's defense and his contract and even Warrior fans don't see it.  Maybe a 3 team deal, with Lee rerouted elsewhere (ORL?), but Lee's critical to the deal getting done.

Suns trade likewise too sweet with Dragic (or Bledsoe). Trade a star for a star and throw in a ton of picks too?

Fair points, but I simply disagree. Some people seem to misunderstand exactly what I'm outlining in this thread. The deals proposed are what I believe to be the "standard," we'll call it, for convincing the Wolves to deal Love. It doesn't mean the trade partner wants to offer what I suggested. Hence why the Warriors proposal got a C+ even though it's an offer that could fetch Love (because as you said, they would never give all that up). Also, your own GSW offer wouldn't work. GSW can't trade their 2015 1st rounder because of the Stepien rule.

As for the Suns, there's a big difference between Dragic and Love. Dragic is a borderline All-Star who has maxed out his abilities. Love is a borderline MVP candidate at 25. And again, I'm not suggesting the Suns would be eager to swap packages... just saying that's what it would take for them to get Love, IMO.

GSW can trade the 2015 after the 2014 season.

I can get in to more detail, but overall, we'll have to agree to diagree.I believe your bids are too sweet. In particular the Cs bid is too sweet and more than what's needed to beat the second best bid as you have listed it (which I also believe to be too sweet for what the Warriors would actually do).

[TheFlex]

I think you've made the offers too sweet for Boston and others.  This is a buyers market.

Boston's not throwing 3 1sts into the deal (at least without protection), but Minnesota trying to rid itself of Budlinger's or Kevin Martin's contract is a real possibility.

I've yet to hear anything like the deal you're putting on the table for GSW. Lee, Barnes, and a 2015 first with GSW reluctant to include Thompson never mind Green.  Wolves fans hate that deal because of Lee's defense and his contract and even Warrior fans don't see it.  Maybe a 3 team deal, with Lee rerouted elsewhere (ORL?), but Lee's critical to the deal getting done.

Suns trade likewise too sweet with Dragic (or Bledsoe). Trade a star for a star and throw in a ton of picks too?

Fair points, but I simply disagree. Some people seem to misunderstand exactly what I'm outlining in this thread. The deals proposed are what I believe to be the "standard," we'll call it, for convincing the Wolves to deal Love. It doesn't mean the trade partner wants to offer what I suggested. Hence why the Warriors proposal got a C+ even though it's an offer that could fetch Love (because as you said, they would never give all that up). Also, your own GSW offer wouldn't work. GSW can't trade their 2015 1st rounder because of the Stepien rule.

As for the Suns, there's a big difference between Dragic and Love. Dragic is a borderline All-Star who has maxed out his abilities. Love is a borderline MVP candidate at 25. And again, I'm not suggesting the Suns would be eager to swap packages... just saying that's what it would take for them to get Love, IMO.

GSW can trade the 2015 after the 2014 season.

I can get in to more detail, but overall, we'll have to agree to diagree.I believe your bids are too sweet. In particular the Cs bid is too sweet and more than what's needed to beat the second best bid as you have listed it (which I also believe to be too sweet for what the Warriors would actually do).

No,  they can't.  Utah owns GSW's pick this year which means they must keep their 1st  rounder in 2015.

Otherwise, yes, we'll agree to disagree.