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Wolves instead trading for Rondo/Green trade idea
« on: May 23, 2014, 02:20:16 AM »

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To Wolves: Rondo, Green
To Celtics: Dieng, Muhammad, Mbah a Moute, Shved, 13th pick, future 2nd

The reason Love is stating he won't resign is because he is tired of losing. He has never said he doesn't like the city , fans or the management. He is tired of not making the playoffs in the tough west.

So i can see Danny eager to workout a deal but the Wolves reluctant to give up their only star. The main the reason fans come to watch the team play.

I can see the Wolves GM in turn become desperate and try to add stars/help so that Love can change his mind.   Rubio for example is not getting the job done. So perhaps the Wolves GM makes a counter offer and asks Danny for Rondo and Green.  They can bring Rubio off the bench or trade him. It doesn't matter and they can't wait any longer
 
For the Celts you get a Center you desperately need. A young up and coming center that the Wolves can afford to lose bc they already have a starting center.  You get another good looking prospect in Muhammad, a couple of decent role players and a lotto pick.

On draft night you select Gordon , Ennis and Lavine who is raw but might turn out to become the steal of the draft.

Celtics Starting Lineup

C- Dieng/ Sullinger
PF - KO/Sullinger
SF - Gordon - 6th pick
SG- Muhammad
PG - Tyler Ennis - 13th pick

Bench

C- Iverson/Faverani
PF - Sullinger/Bass
SF -  Mbah a Moute/Wallace
SG - Sved/Johnson
PG - Pressey/Lavine - 17th pick

Wolves starting lineup
C- Pekovic
PF - Love
SF- Green
SG - Martin
PG - Rondo

If Wolves lineup is healthy, it should make the playoffs. Thats alot of offensive firepower

I think this situation is not expected but a possibility.
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Re: Wolves instead trading for Rondo/Green trade idea
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2014, 02:42:12 AM »

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That is a dismal starting 5, and the trade is a terrible idea. If that's the best we can get for Rondo then we shouldn't trade him.
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2014, 03:01:24 AM »

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From what I remember Love doesn't at all like the management. He said a couple years ago something like their team had a continually changing roster, that it seemed like there was really no plan. Which was kind of reiterated recently when he said he didn't necessarily have to go to an immediate contender, but at least wanted a team that was headed in the right direction, implying that the Wolves were not.

So they would have two huge risks in Love and Rondo who could both walk next summer, as I highly doubt Rondo would sign an extension to play in Minny.

If we were forced to trade Rondo, Dieng and the 13th wouldn't be a horrible take. I like Dieng; he averaged like 8 boards, 52%FG  and 1.2 blks in 22 min when they finally started to play him. But just looking at that roster I really hope we don't have to. That would easily be a bottom 5 team again.

I'd give it about a .5% chance of happening.
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2014, 03:02:07 AM »

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Quote from: thehumburger on May 23, 2014, 03:01:24 AM
From what I remember Love doesn't at all like the management. He said a couple years ago something like their team had a continually changing roster, that it seemed like there was really no plan. Which was kind of reiterated recently when he said he didn't necessarily have to go to an immediate contender, but at least wanted a team that was headed in the right direction, implying that the Wolves were not.

So they would have two huge risks in Love and Rondo who could both walk next summer, as I highly doubt Rondo would sign an extension to play in Minny.

If we were forced to trade Rondo, Dieng and the 13th wouldn't be a horrible take. I like Dieng; he averaged like 8 boards, 52%FG  and 1.2 blks in 22 min when they finally started to play him. But just looking at that roster I really hope we don't have to. That would easily be a bottom 5 team again.

I'd give it about a .5% chance of happening.

fair enough.    Dieng and 13th for Rondo wouldn't be horrible at all.   And i'm tired of Green to be honest. I rather give Muhammad a try and see what he has. He had a great couple of games late in the year to show his progress. 
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2014, 03:08:27 AM »

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That would easily be a bottom 5 team again.

you know what. If the Celts don't make any trades, add key players to the current lineup it will be a bottom 5 team regardless

I rather be a bottom 5 team with promise then a bottom 5 team with no direction
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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2014, 03:34:56 AM »

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Quote from: triboy16f on May 23, 2014, 03:08:27 AM
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That would easily be a bottom 5 team again.

you know what. If the Celts don't make any trades, add key players to the current lineup it will be a bottom 5 team regardless

I rather be a bottom 5 team with promise then a bottom 5 team with no direction


I think with a full year of a healthy Rondo and the continued improvement of some of our younger players we wouldn't be as bad as last year, though probably not good enough to make the playoffs even in the East with no moves. But we've accumulated so many assets between the 3 Nets firsts, the Clippers first, the possible Sixers first/likely 2 seconds, our own #6 from bottoming out, I'd prefer to at least start making gradual improvements next year as opposed to more bottoming out. Even a key minor trade for someone like Asik could allow us a run at the playoffs while still keeping almost all our assets/flexibility. We have enough assets to start taking the team in a positive direction. I was okay with bottoming out this past year, but doing it again just to gain a couple more crapshoot draft picks doesn't sound very promising to me. 
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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2014, 05:51:53 AM »

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Doesn't really make sense for them to trade for Rondo when they have Rubio.  Pretty comparable players.
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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2014, 07:15:16 AM »

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Quote from: LarBrd33 on May 23, 2014, 05:51:53 AM
Doesn't really make sense for them to trade for Rondo when they have Rubio.  Pretty comparable players.

  Yeah, kind of like the way we don't need Love because we have Sully.
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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2014, 07:23:29 AM »

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Quote from: triboy16f on May 23, 2014, 03:08:27 AM
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That would easily be a bottom 5 team again.

you know what. If the Celts don't make any trades, add key players to the current lineup it will be a bottom 5 team regardless

I rather be a bottom 5 team with promise then a bottom 5 team with no direction

  First of all, we'll likely make trades. Second of all, we're unlikely to be as bad as we were even if we didn't. Third, making bad trades in order to help other teams be more competitive isn't a good direction to go in. The only promise that team has is to be bad for a long time.
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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2014, 12:17:28 PM »

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Quote from: BballTim on May 23, 2014, 07:23:29 AM
Quote from: triboy16f on May 23, 2014, 03:08:27 AM
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That would easily be a bottom 5 team again.

you know what. If the Celts don't make any trades, add key players to the current lineup it will be a bottom 5 team regardless

I rather be a bottom 5 team with promise then a bottom 5 team with no direction

  First of all, we'll likely make trades. Second of all, we're unlikely to be as bad as we were even if we didn't. Third, making bad trades in order to help other teams be more competitive isn't a good direction to go in. The only promise that team has is to be bad for a long time.

But why do you automatically think a team full of promising but young players will just stink in the long term? How have teams that dont model after the cHeaters become good??

Dieng was at one pt pulling down/avg 13 rebounds , 3 block shots a game. At times he reminded you of anthony davis at the defensive end bc of his athleticism, quickness and length. Also bc he still needs to bulk up

Muhammad scored a 20 pt game in the end of the year. Only 1 game but he looked good. I was surprised of how far he has progressed so far. Forgot that he had a ridiculous winspan for his size also.
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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2014, 12:20:04 PM »

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Quote from: LarBrd33 on May 23, 2014, 05:51:53 AM
Doesn't really make sense for them to trade for Rondo when they have Rubio.  Pretty comparable players.

Rubio is one of the most overrated players in the league imo.  A healthy rondo is better
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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2014, 12:49:09 PM »

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Quote from: triboy16f on May 23, 2014, 12:17:28 PM
Quote from: BballTim on May 23, 2014, 07:23:29 AM
Quote from: triboy16f on May 23, 2014, 03:08:27 AM
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That would easily be a bottom 5 team again.

you know what. If the Celts don't make any trades, add key players to the current lineup it will be a bottom 5 team regardless

I rather be a bottom 5 team with promise then a bottom 5 team with no direction

  First of all, we'll likely make trades. Second of all, we're unlikely to be as bad as we were even if we didn't. Third, making bad trades in order to help other teams be more competitive isn't a good direction to go in. The only promise that team has is to be bad for a long time.

But why do you automatically think a team full of promising but young players will just stink in the long term? How have teams that dont model after the cHeaters become good??

Dieng was at one pt pulling down/avg 13 rebounds , 3 block shots a game. At times he reminded you of anthony davis at the defensive end bc of his athleticism, quickness and length. Also bc he still needs to bulk up

Muhammad scored a 20 pt game in the end of the year. Only 1 game but he looked good. I was surprised of how far he has progressed so far. Forgot that he had a ridiculous winspan for his size also.

   Teams that get good that aren't the Heat generally draft and keep star players. Who on that team qualifies? How much more talent is in that group than the Kings or the Jazz or the Pistons or Cavs?
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« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2014, 01:25:28 PM »

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Quote from: BballTim on May 23, 2014, 12:49:09 PM
Quote from: triboy16f on May 23, 2014, 12:17:28 PM
Quote from: BballTim on May 23, 2014, 07:23:29 AM
Quote from: triboy16f on May 23, 2014, 03:08:27 AM
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That would easily be a bottom 5 team again.

you know what. If the Celts don't make any trades, add key players to the current lineup it will be a bottom 5 team regardless

I rather be a bottom 5 team with promise then a bottom 5 team with no direction

  First of all, we'll likely make trades. Second of all, we're unlikely to be as bad as we were even if we didn't. Third, making bad trades in order to help other teams be more competitive isn't a good direction to go in. The only promise that team has is to be bad for a long time.

But why do you automatically think a team full of promising but young players will just stink in the long term? How have teams that dont model after the cHeaters become good??

Dieng was at one pt pulling down/avg 13 rebounds , 3 block shots a game. At times he reminded you of anthony davis at the defensive end bc of his athleticism, quickness and length. Also bc he still needs to bulk up

Muhammad scored a 20 pt game in the end of the year. Only 1 game but he looked good. I was surprised of how far he has progressed so far. Forgot that he had a ridiculous winspan for his size also.

   Teams that get good that aren't the Heat generally draft and keep star players. Who on that team qualifies? How much more talent is in that group than the Kings or the Jazz or the Pistons or Cavs?

you know why the King's stink is bc they rely on Cousins to carry the team. A guy who doesn't play hard from the start until the end of the game.    Jazz the same with Favors. Just streaky

Most of the these bottom 10 teams lack promising young players (the future) with motor, high iq, leadership and skills.   But they are given the most freedom on the court and mistakes are ignored (coaching problem also).

Teams like the hawks and the suns overachieved even though they don't have a cousins or favors bc they played solid team ball.    Having guys like Dieng, KO, Sully, Gordon, Ennis is a mature, good iq, hard working, skilled group that would have a promising future imo
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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2014, 02:00:18 PM »

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Quote from: triboy16f on May 23, 2014, 01:25:28 PM
Quote from: BballTim on May 23, 2014, 12:49:09 PM
Quote from: triboy16f on May 23, 2014, 12:17:28 PM
Quote from: BballTim on May 23, 2014, 07:23:29 AM
Quote from: triboy16f on May 23, 2014, 03:08:27 AM
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That would easily be a bottom 5 team again.

you know what. If the Celts don't make any trades, add key players to the current lineup it will be a bottom 5 team regardless

I rather be a bottom 5 team with promise then a bottom 5 team with no direction

  First of all, we'll likely make trades. Second of all, we're unlikely to be as bad as we were even if we didn't. Third, making bad trades in order to help other teams be more competitive isn't a good direction to go in. The only promise that team has is to be bad for a long time.

But why do you automatically think a team full of promising but young players will just stink in the long term? How have teams that dont model after the cHeaters become good??

Dieng was at one pt pulling down/avg 13 rebounds , 3 block shots a game. At times he reminded you of anthony davis at the defensive end bc of his athleticism, quickness and length. Also bc he still needs to bulk up

Muhammad scored a 20 pt game in the end of the year. Only 1 game but he looked good. I was surprised of how far he has progressed so far. Forgot that he had a ridiculous winspan for his size also.

   Teams that get good that aren't the Heat generally draft and keep star players. Who on that team qualifies? How much more talent is in that group than the Kings or the Jazz or the Pistons or Cavs?

you know why the King's stink is bc they rely on Cousins to carry the team. A guy who doesn't play hard from the start until the end of the game.    Jazz the same with Favors. Just streaky

Most of the these bottom 10 teams lack promising young players (the future) with motor, high iq, leadership and skills.   But they are given the most freedom on the court and mistakes are ignored (coaching problem also).

Teams like the hawks and the suns overachieved even though they don't have a cousins or favors bc they played solid team ball.    Having guys like Dieng, KO, Sully, Gordon, Ennis is a mature, good iq, hard working, skilled group that would have a promising future imo

  First of all those teams (Hawks and Suns) have very solid veteran players. Secondly, the current level of those teams is probably the max you'll get out of the group you've selected.
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