We're not getting Love

[BleedGreen1989]

Note the final sentence lol...

The Golden State Warriors believe they have a legitimate shot at trading for Kevin Love.

Love is believed to prefer a trade to either the Warriors or Chicago Bulls.

"You know we'll be aggressive," one Warriors source said. "We usually get our guy."

The Warriors could package David Lee, Harrison Barnes and their 2015 first round pick (traded after June 26) in a deal for Love. Golden State doesn't want to include Klay Thompson, who become eligible for a contract extension this offseason.

The Bulls, Boston Celtics and Phoenix Suns can presumably offer better deals for Love.

Via Rusty Simmons/San Francisco Chronicle

[MBunge]

Stay the course and tank harder next year for Okafor.

... because it's been shown time and time again that the team that tanks hardest always ends up with the first pick.

And even if you get the first pick, that guarantees nothing.  Cleveland is going to have had FOUR #1 overall picks in just 12 years and their franchise is still so horrible that most seem to assume that Love won't sign there on principle.

Mike

[MBunge]

Note the final sentence lol...

The Golden State Warriors believe they have a legitimate shot at trading for Kevin Love.

Love is believed to prefer a trade to either the Warriors or Chicago Bulls.

"You know we'll be aggressive," one Warriors source said. "We usually get our guy."

The Warriors could package David Lee, Harrison Barnes and their 2015 first round pick (traded after June 26) in a deal for Love. Golden State doesn't want to include Klay Thompson, who become eligible for a contract extension this offseason.

The Bulls, Boston Celtics and Phoenix Suns can presumably offer better deals for Love.

Via Rusty Simmons/San Francisco Chronicle

If they trade Love for Lee, Barnes and just one first rounder, that might kill the Twolf fanbase stone dead for a generation.

Mike

[Lucky17]

Note the final sentence lol...

The Golden State Warriors believe they have a legitimate shot at trading for Kevin Love.

Love is believed to prefer a trade to either the Warriors or Chicago Bulls.

"You know we'll be aggressive," one Warriors source said. "We usually get our guy."

The Warriors could package David Lee, Harrison Barnes and their 2015 first round pick (traded after June 26) in a deal for Love. Golden State doesn't want to include Klay Thompson, who become eligible for a contract extension this offseason.

The Bulls, Boston Celtics and Phoenix Suns can presumably offer better deals for Love.

Via Rusty Simmons/San Francisco Chronicle

If they trade Love for Lee, Barnes and just one first rounder, that might kill the Twolf fanbase stone dead for a generation.

Mike

Orlando is rumored to like Lee, and could enter as a third team in the deal.

[BleedGreen1989]

Note the final sentence lol...

The Golden State Warriors believe they have a legitimate shot at trading for Kevin Love.

Love is believed to prefer a trade to either the Warriors or Chicago Bulls.

"You know we'll be aggressive," one Warriors source said. "We usually get our guy."

The Warriors could package David Lee, Harrison Barnes and their 2015 first round pick (traded after June 26) in a deal for Love. Golden State doesn't want to include Klay Thompson, who become eligible for a contract extension this offseason.

The Bulls, Boston Celtics and Phoenix Suns can presumably offer better deals for Love.

Via Rusty Simmons/San Francisco Chronicle

If they trade Love for Lee, Barnes and just one first rounder, that might kill the Twolf fanbase stone dead for a generation.

Mike

Orlando is rumored to like Lee, and could enter as a third team in the deal.

That rumor was "leaked" from a GS source.

I have a hard time believing Orlando would want a highly paid player entering their 30's.

Nevermind the awful fit he would be with their cornerstone of Vucevic.

[Chief Macho]

I just want people to stop pretending Sully is some great trade chip.   I don't give a crap what his contract is.  He just isn't coveted.    It's going to be about how many of these first rounders Danny will part with that will make this a possibility. 

[D.o.s.]

I just want people to stop pretending Sully is some great trade chip.   I don't give a crap what his contract is.  He just isn't coveted.    It's going to be about how many of these first rounders Danny will part with that will make this a possibility.

I'm curious as to how you're familiar with how Sully's value is rated around the NBA.

[LarBrd33]

I just want people to stop pretending Sully is some great trade chip.   I don't give a crap what his contract is.  He just isn't coveted.    It's going to be about how many of these first rounders Danny will part with that will make this a possibility.

I'm curious as to how you're familiar with how Sully's value is rated around the NBA.

I think sully is a nice young player, but he has less trade value than Terrence jones right now. That should give you an idea of how coveted he is. If you think Terrence jones could be the centerpiece of a Kevin love trade, then that's just more evidence that Boston has significant competition for a love trade.  I think boston fans try too hard to relate sully to big al...  Sully doesn't have that level of trade value.  People forget that big al looked like a lock to make all-star teams and average 20 and 10. He had arguably the best post moves in the league and people were questioning if his future was brighter than Dwight Howard.  On the flip side, Sully might not even he a long-term starter.  Kelly olynk arguably has a brighter future.

Also, there are homers who tell themselves "well Kevin love was fat when he entered the league and sully is fat now... So clearly sully is the next Kevin love".  I mean... Come on... Glen Davis was fat too and he's still fat.  I hope for the best but I just don't think sully has the kind of potential a lot of boston fans think. 

[BballTim]

I just want people to stop pretending Sully is some great trade chip.   I don't give a crap what his contract is.  He just isn't coveted.    It's going to be about how many of these first rounders Danny will part with that will make this a possibility.

I'm curious as to how you're familiar with how Sully's value is rated around the NBA.

  Obviously such knowledge is completely unnecessary if you're going to issue definitive statements.

[Quetzalcoatl]

The fun thing about being terrible and being incredibly asset rich at the same time is speculating about what you could do, people should embrace it instead of being debbie downers.  Instead of focusing on the negative, you should think of weird trades because it's fun. 

So what about drafting Smart at 6, trading Rondo for Bosh and trading Sully, Clips 2015, Philly 1st rounder/2 second rounders pick, our 2016 pick and Bogans for Love?

Smart
Bradley
Green
Love
Bosh

[D.o.s.]

I just want people to stop pretending Sully is some great trade chip.   I don't give a crap what his contract is.  He just isn't coveted.    It's going to be about how many of these first rounders Danny will part with that will make this a possibility.

I'm curious as to how you're familiar with how Sully's value is rated around the NBA.

I think sully is a nice young player, but he has less trade value than Terrence jones right now. That should give you an idea of how coveted he is. If you think Terrence jones could be the centerpiece of a Kevin love trade, then that's just more evidence that Boston has significant competition for a love trade.  I think boston fans try too hard to relate sully to big al...  Sully doesn't have that level of trade value.  People forget that big al looked like a lock to make all-star teams and average 20 and 10. He had arguably the best post moves in the league and people were questioning if his future was brighter than Dwight Howard.  On the flip side, Sully might not even he a long-term starter.  Kelly olynk arguably has a brighter future.

Also, there are homers who tell themselves "well Kevin love was fat when he entered the league and sully is fat now... So clearly sully is the next Kevin love".  I mean... Come on... Glen Davis was fat too and he's still fat.  I hope for the best but I just don't think sully has the kind of potential a lot of boston fans think.

I agree with you, but again, what's the rationale for deciding that Terrence Jones has more standalone trade value than Jared Sullinger? I'll assume that you, like me, are too busy to make the feeler phone calls/tweets/texts to various front office types to get a handle on this, so I'd like to see some deduction.

[BballTim]

I just want people to stop pretending Sully is some great trade chip.   I don't give a crap what his contract is.  He just isn't coveted.    It's going to be about how many of these first rounders Danny will part with that will make this a possibility.

I'm curious as to how you're familiar with how Sully's value is rated around the NBA.

I think sully is a nice young player, but he has a less trade value than Terrence jones right now. That should give you an idea of how coveted he is. If you think Terrence jones could be the centerpiece of a Kevin love trade, then that's just more evidence that Boston has significant competition for a love trade.  I think boston fans try to hard to relate sully to big al...  Sully doesn't have that level of trade value.  People forget that big al looked like a lock to make all-star teams and average 20 and 10. He had arguably the best post moves in the league and people were questioning if his future was brighter than Dwight Howard.  On the flip side, Sully might not even he a long-term starter.  Kelly olynk arguably has a brighter future.

   I think the "people were questioning if his future was brighter than Dwight Howard" part says a lot about how much stock you should put in those opinions. If you were on celticsblog in 2007 you'd have seen tons of posts after the lottery that our only possible course of action was to blow it up because we didn't have great players or any desirable assets. Two months later we had Ray and KG on the roster.

[Donoghus]

I just want people to stop pretending Sully is some great trade chip.   I don't give a crap what his contract is.  He just isn't coveted.    It's going to be about how many of these first rounders Danny will part with that will make this a possibility.

I'm curious as to how you're familiar with how Sully's value is rated around the NBA.

I think sully is a nice young player, but he has a less trade value than Terrence jones right now. That should give you an idea of how coveted he is. If you think Terrence jones could be the centerpiece of a Kevin love trade, then that's just more evidence that Boston has significant competition for a love trade.  I think boston fans try to hard to relate sully to big al...  Sully doesn't have that level of trade value.  People forget that big al looked like a lock to make all-star teams and average 20 and 10. He had arguably the best post moves in the league and people were questioning if his future was brighter than Dwight Howard.  On the flip side, Sully might not even he a long-term starter.  Kelly olynk arguably has a brighter future.

   I think the "people were questioning if his future was brighter than Dwight Howard" part says a lot about how much stock you should put in those opinions. If you were on celticsblog in 2007 you'd have seen tons of posts after the lottery that our only possible course of action was to blow it up because we didn't have great players or any desirable assets. Two months later we had Ray and KG on the roster.

To be fair, there were a decent amount of people out there after the '07 lottery saying the Celtics should scramble after Rashard Lewis (gulp) or Shawn Marion too. 

[LarBrd33]

I just want people to stop pretending Sully is some great trade chip.   I don't give a crap what his contract is.  He just isn't coveted.    It's going to be about how many of these first rounders Danny will part with that will make this a possibility.

I'm curious as to how you're familiar with how Sully's value is rated around the NBA.

I think sully is a nice young player, but he has less trade value than Terrence jones right now. That should give you an idea of how coveted he is. If you think Terrence jones could be the centerpiece of a Kevin love trade, then that's just more evidence that Boston has significant competition for a love trade.  I think boston fans try too hard to relate sully to big al...  Sully doesn't have that level of trade value.  People forget that big al looked like a lock to make all-star teams and average 20 and 10. He had arguably the best post moves in the league and people were questioning if his future was brighter than Dwight Howard.  On the flip side, Sully might not even he a long-term starter.  Kelly olynk arguably has a brighter future.

Also, there are homers who tell themselves "well Kevin love was fat when he entered the league and sully is fat now... So clearly sully is the next Kevin love".  I mean... Come on... Glen Davis was fat too and he's still fat.  I hope for the best but I just don't think sully has the kind of potential a lot of boston fans think.

I agree with you, but again, what's the rationale for deciding that Terrence Jones has more standalone trade value than Jared Sullinger? I'll assume that you, like me, are too busy to make the feeler phone calls/tweets/texts to various front office types to get a handle on this, so I'd like to see some deduction.

Fine. 

Jones - 22 years old - 2012 18th pick 6'9 252
Sully - 22 years old - 2012 21st pick 6'9 260

Jones - 27.3 minutes, 12 points, 7 rebounds, 1 assist, 1.3 blocks, 54%/31%/61%
Sully - 27.8 minutes, 13 points, 8 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 0.7 blocks  43%/27%/78%

Stats about even.  Jones is a better offensive player and better defensive player.  Sully got more rebounds, but he wasn't sharing court time with Asik and Howard.  I give Sully credit for being a better free throw shooter.  Jones gets the edge because he was a contributor on a playoff team and isn't injury prone.

Granted, it's close.  It's darn close.  Due to Sully being chronically injured, Jones has the edge as far as trade value is concerned. 

Point is:  Neither has a ton of trade value, imo.

[LarBrd33]

I just want people to stop pretending Sully is some great trade chip.   I don't give a crap what his contract is.  He just isn't coveted.    It's going to be about how many of these first rounders Danny will part with that will make this a possibility.

I'm curious as to how you're familiar with how Sully's value is rated around the NBA.

I think sully is a nice young player, but he has a less trade value than Terrence jones right now. That should give you an idea of how coveted he is. If you think Terrence jones could be the centerpiece of a Kevin love trade, then that's just more evidence that Boston has significant competition for a love trade.  I think boston fans try to hard to relate sully to big al...  Sully doesn't have that level of trade value.  People forget that big al looked like a lock to make all-star teams and average 20 and 10. He had arguably the best post moves in the league and people were questioning if his future was brighter than Dwight Howard.  On the flip side, Sully might not even he a long-term starter.  Kelly olynk arguably has a brighter future.

   I think the "people were questioning if his future was brighter than Dwight Howard" part says a lot about how much stock you should put in those opinions. If you were on celticsblog in 2007 you'd have seen tons of posts after the lottery that our only possible course of action was to blow it up because we didn't have great players or any desirable assets. Two months later we had Ray and KG on the roster.

There were plenty of fans angry that we traded #5 for Ray.  I was outraged.  Consensus was that it was a horrible panic move to sell tickets.  It only made sense in conjunction with the KG trade. 

There were plenty of fans upset about trading Big Al for KG.  I had to reluctantly accept it, but I wasn't thrilled about losing Big Al... who we expected in about 5 years was going to be better than KG.  Still, we had a window.  A glorious tiny window.  We expected 3 years... it lasted 3.5.

I was here in 2007.  Were you?  In 2007, Big Al's ceiling appeared sky high. There was a perception that he was going to be a 20 and 10 player... a dominant post player who made multiple all-star teams.   But we were trading for KG who at the time was Statistically the #1 player on the planet (later lost the title to LeBron when his stats dipped a bit).  In retrospect, Al's career has been mildly disappointing... but he's still a 20/10 all-star level player that we expected him to be.   But when you can land Top 3 superstar for a potential all-star, you probably gotta do it.

There isn't a consensus that Sully is even our long-term starting PF... let alone a future all-star dominant post presence.  He doesn't have the same trade value.