If we can't land Love, Trade Rondo for to 10 pick?

[LooseCannon]

I'm not allowed to say what I think about all three of your "ideas."

If you are gifted with words, you can probably find a way to respond that implies what you think.

[D.o.s.]

That's most likely a playoff team next year, and there's plenty of upside.

Did you copy/paste this from yourself last year?
 

[BballTim]

Nah.

If we don't land Love, I say we draft Smart and Warren, use our TPE to get Asik, re-sign Bradley, and sign Mo Williams as a free agent.

Rondo/Mo Williams/Pressey
Bradley/Smart/Johnson
Green/Warren/Wallace
Olynyk/Sullinger/Bass
Asik/Faverani/Anthony

I'd happily go into the 2014-15 season with that squad.  That's most likely a playoff team next year, and there's plenty of upside.

   Mo Williams on the Celts doesn't interest me at all. Otherwise that's not bad, and Danny would still have a ton of picks to make more moves.

[BballTim]

ARE YOU CRAZY!!!!!!  The 10 pick in the draft, heck, why not 2 2nd round picks?  Why don't we send him to NY for Bargani and a 2nd round pick.

NEWS FLASH -  Rondo is a 4th All-Star and just 28 years old.  What do you expect to get with the 10th pick?  I know, we draft a guy who might become Rondo in 5 or 6 years.

You're aware that we suck right now right? Unless we trade for Love or another All Star (and that's the assumption for this thread), we're not going anywhere next season, with or without Rondo.  By the time the rest of our team is good enough to compete, Rondo will be past his prime, and it's likely that whoever is drafted at #10 will be better than him.  That is what should matter since we'll actually be competitive at that point.  Not to mention that Rondo will almost certainly lower our chances of getting a stud next year and will probably leave for a better team after that if we don't get him any help.

Rondo is also something like the 8th - 10th best PG in the league at this point, so while he's a very good player, the value that we can get in return needs to be kept in perspective.

  Rondo was a top 3-4 pg in the league before he was hurt. He'll probably be the same when he's fully recovered.

[cometboy]

The team that needs to replace their PG is Orlando.  Rondo would serve as a strong leader for their young squad.  We trade them Rondo and our #17 pick for their #4 and #12 pick.   

+1 dunno if Orlando does this, but if we cannot get Love I would do this in a heartbeat. We could possibly select Exum to replace Rondo (or worst case Smart) and still have plenty of assets to get Asik or Sanders or Monroe or How about Asik with Monroe at PF?

CB

[Celtics18]

That's most likely a playoff team next year, and there's plenty of upside.

Did you copy/paste this from yourself last year?
 

Haha.

[celticsfan8591]

ARE YOU CRAZY!!!!!!  The 10 pick in the draft, heck, why not 2 2nd round picks?  Why don't we send him to NY for Bargani and a 2nd round pick.

NEWS FLASH -  Rondo is a 4th All-Star and just 28 years old.  What do you expect to get with the 10th pick?  I know, we draft a guy who might become Rondo in 5 or 6 years.

You're aware that we suck right now right? Unless we trade for Love or another All Star (and that's the assumption for this thread), we're not going anywhere next season, with or without Rondo.  By the time the rest of our team is good enough to compete, Rondo will be past his prime, and it's likely that whoever is drafted at #10 will be better than him.  That is what should matter since we'll actually be competitive at that point.  Not to mention that Rondo will almost certainly lower our chances of getting a stud next year and will probably leave for a better team after that if we don't get him any help.

Rondo is also something like the 8th - 10th best PG in the league at this point, so while he's a very good player, the value that we can get in return needs to be kept in perspective.

I agree with you, I'm not sure we'll be able to get a top 10 pick for him but I think if we are offered one we'd be crazy to turn it down.  Sorry for being unclear.

[Vermont Green]

To trade or not to trade Rondo is a tough question.  Things change along the way but right now, it does not look like Rondo has any plan to sign an extension this off season so there is a risk he walks and we get nothing.

Even with that hanging over Rondo, and bringing his value down some, I think we could do better than just a top 10 pick.  Hearing things like McLemore and the #8 from Sac seem somewhat realistic.  Nash, Kendall Marshall and the #7 from LAL seems in the ball park also.

So if we swing and miss at Love (or other potential top players like Monroe, etc.), yes, probably trade Rondo but for more than just a single 8, 9, 10 range pick.

[colincb]

I'm not allowed to say what I think about all three of your "ideas."

If you are gifted with words, you can probably find a way to respond that implies what you think.

I'm not allowed to say what I think about all three of your "ideas."

If you are gifted with words, you can probably find a way to respond that implies what you think.

You're right. I was tired. Am running out the door, so you're getting bullet points.

I wouldn't do these deals because I don't think any of them make much sense. The 3rd deal doesn't exist with DET.

- I?m not dealing with LA in a major deal unless I'm clearly winning the deal. Can't imagine that DA and ownership aren't on the same page.

- Either LA or SAC would jump over those deals once Rondo passes an exam.

-Not enough value for Rondo. Arguably the best PG after Paul when healthy. Certainly top 5. I can hope for a top 5 position player in the draft and be wrong 50%. I saw nothing to suggest that Rondo won't return to form. Playing with a brace will hinder your quickness, especially on defense, and I strongly suspect that Rondo was a tank commander too the last couple of months of the season.  He?s driven more than most NBA athletes, so I see him being back this year as does Danny.

- Rondo?s the best player in the deal.

- I?m getting hope back in the form of picks. Nothing comes back to Cs of long-term use other than the picks.  McLemore had historically (as in all-time) bad numbers for a player drafted as high as he was, can't dribble, defend, or shoot. Looked lost in summer league! Why do people on this board bring this guy's name up like he's an asset? Thomas is not a starting PG.

- Don't want to be in lottery land for a guaranteed 2-3 years at a minimum.

- Team would be an unwatchable mess without a strong PG. Not gambling on Smart being a strong enough floor leader of an extremely young team. We'd be forced to draft him if we trade IF Smart's available at 6. Better than 50% that he is, but not a lock with only Exum going before him and with any of the teams from 2-5 who could need one.  If Smart's gone, we're stuck with Nash, who's toast, or Thomas who's on the market because SAC wants a real PG. Or we can reach at 6 and take Ennis or Payton.  Here are the keys to the greatest franchise in the NBA history kid. You?ve got 14 other players looking for their next contract that you?ve got to lead in one of the most hostile media markets in the country. Your back-up is a soph whose future is debatable. Good luck.

[Eddie20]

ARE YOU CRAZY!!!!!!  The 10 pick in the draft, heck, why not 2 2nd round picks?  Why don't we send him to NY for Bargani and a 2nd round pick.

NEWS FLASH -  Rondo is a 4th All-Star and just 28 years old.  What do you expect to get with the 10th pick?  I know, we draft a guy who might become Rondo in 5 or 6 years.

You're aware that we suck right now right? Unless we trade for Love or another All Star (and that's the assumption for this thread), we're not going anywhere next season, with or without Rondo.  By the time the rest of our team is good enough to compete, Rondo will be past his prime, and it's likely that whoever is drafted at #10 will be better than him.  That is what should matter since we'll actually be competitive at that point.  Not to mention that Rondo will almost certainly lower our chances of getting a stud next year and will probably leave for a better team after that if we don't get him any help.

Rondo is also something like the 8th - 10th best PG in the league at this point, so while he's a very good player, the value that we can get in return needs to be kept in perspective.

  Rondo was a top 3-4 pg in the league before he was hurt. He'll probably be the same when he's fully recovered.

Really? He'll have to be better than plenty of guys to do so...Paul, Parker, Curry, Westbrook, Wall, Irving, Rose, Lillard, etc.

I think saying he'll be a top 10 PG is probably a much safer bet.

[CeltsAcumen]

I would not trade Rondo for the 10th pick.  If you trade Rondo you want a guaranteed player who will help the organization and I am sorry drafts are a crap shoot as too talent.

Just a comment the last player I want in this draft who is a potential top 10 is Marcus Smart for Okie State.  I have no issue with him and that fan, if I was in the same position, heat of the moment I might have said something back as well.  His lack of versatility is my problem.  He is not a good outside shooter, does not handle the ball well, and he has not proved he can guard point guards consistently. 

If Aaron Gordon is available at #6 you take him, you thank the idiots who did not draft him and you let Rondo throw dunks to this guy for the next 2 years.

[BballTim]

ARE YOU CRAZY!!!!!!  The 10 pick in the draft, heck, why not 2 2nd round picks?  Why don't we send him to NY for Bargani and a 2nd round pick.

NEWS FLASH -  Rondo is a 4th All-Star and just 28 years old.  What do you expect to get with the 10th pick?  I know, we draft a guy who might become Rondo in 5 or 6 years.

You're aware that we suck right now right? Unless we trade for Love or another All Star (and that's the assumption for this thread), we're not going anywhere next season, with or without Rondo.  By the time the rest of our team is good enough to compete, Rondo will be past his prime, and it's likely that whoever is drafted at #10 will be better than him.  That is what should matter since we'll actually be competitive at that point.  Not to mention that Rondo will almost certainly lower our chances of getting a stud next year and will probably leave for a better team after that if we don't get him any help.

Rondo is also something like the 8th - 10th best PG in the league at this point, so while he's a very good player, the value that we can get in return needs to be kept in perspective.

  Rondo was a top 3-4 pg in the league before he was hurt. He'll probably be the same when he's fully recovered.

Really? He'll have to be better than plenty of guys to do so...Paul, Parker, Curry, Westbrook, Wall, Irving, Rose, Lillard, etc.

I think saying he'll be a top 10 PG is probably a much safer bet.

  Opinions vary. I'd guess you thought he was a top 10 pg when he was 3rd team all-nba, I doubt he'll do anything to change your opinion in the future.

[Eddie20]

ARE YOU CRAZY!!!!!!  The 10 pick in the draft, heck, why not 2 2nd round picks?  Why don't we send him to NY for Bargani and a 2nd round pick.

NEWS FLASH -  Rondo is a 4th All-Star and just 28 years old.  What do you expect to get with the 10th pick?  I know, we draft a guy who might become Rondo in 5 or 6 years.

You're aware that we suck right now right? Unless we trade for Love or another All Star (and that's the assumption for this thread), we're not going anywhere next season, with or without Rondo.  By the time the rest of our team is good enough to compete, Rondo will be past his prime, and it's likely that whoever is drafted at #10 will be better than him.  That is what should matter since we'll actually be competitive at that point.  Not to mention that Rondo will almost certainly lower our chances of getting a stud next year and will probably leave for a better team after that if we don't get him any help.

Rondo is also something like the 8th - 10th best PG in the league at this point, so while he's a very good player, the value that we can get in return needs to be kept in perspective.

  Rondo was a top 3-4 pg in the league before he was hurt. He'll probably be the same when he's fully recovered.

Really? He'll have to be better than plenty of guys to do so...Paul, Parker, Curry, Westbrook, Wall, Irving, Rose, Lillard, etc.

I think saying he'll be a top 10 PG is probably a much safer bet.

  Opinions vary. I'd guess you thought he was a top 10 pg when he was 3rd team all-nba, I doubt he'll do anything to change your opinion in the future.

Well, for starters that was back in 2012. In addition, there were 3 PGs that were placed ahead of him in the all-nba teams (Paul 1st team, Westbrook and Parker 2nd team).  Also, Rose was out that year so a healthy Rose, league MVP the year prior, would put him 5th. This also doesn't account for the improvements/emergence of Wall, Curry, Irving. So yeah, I think a top 10 PG ranking would be a healthy prognostication.

[BballTim]

ARE YOU CRAZY!!!!!!  The 10 pick in the draft, heck, why not 2 2nd round picks?  Why don't we send him to NY for Bargani and a 2nd round pick.

NEWS FLASH -  Rondo is a 4th All-Star and just 28 years old.  What do you expect to get with the 10th pick?  I know, we draft a guy who might become Rondo in 5 or 6 years.

You're aware that we suck right now right? Unless we trade for Love or another All Star (and that's the assumption for this thread), we're not going anywhere next season, with or without Rondo.  By the time the rest of our team is good enough to compete, Rondo will be past his prime, and it's likely that whoever is drafted at #10 will be better than him.  That is what should matter since we'll actually be competitive at that point.  Not to mention that Rondo will almost certainly lower our chances of getting a stud next year and will probably leave for a better team after that if we don't get him any help.

Rondo is also something like the 8th - 10th best PG in the league at this point, so while he's a very good player, the value that we can get in return needs to be kept in perspective.

  Rondo was a top 3-4 pg in the league before he was hurt. He'll probably be the same when he's fully recovered.

Really? He'll have to be better than plenty of guys to do so...Paul, Parker, Curry, Westbrook, Wall, Irving, Rose, Lillard, etc.

I think saying he'll be a top 10 PG is probably a much safer bet.

  Opinions vary. I'd guess you thought he was a top 10 pg when he was 3rd team all-nba, I doubt he'll do anything to change your opinion in the future.

Well, for starters that was back in 2012. In addition, there were 3 PGs that were placed ahead of him in the all-nba teams (Paul 1st team, Westbrook and Parker 2nd team).  Also, Rose was out that year so a healthy Rose, league MVP the year prior, would put him 5th. This also doesn't account for the improvements/emergence of Wall, Curry, Irving. So yeah, I think a top 10 PG ranking would be a healthy prognostication.

  Irving's a worse player than he was in 2008, so's Parker. Rose is nowhere right now. Westbrook's pretty overrated. We'll see how the season shakes out next year.

[Eddie20]

ARE YOU CRAZY!!!!!!  The 10 pick in the draft, heck, why not 2 2nd round picks?  Why don't we send him to NY for Bargani and a 2nd round pick.

NEWS FLASH -  Rondo is a 4th All-Star and just 28 years old.  What do you expect to get with the 10th pick?  I know, we draft a guy who might become Rondo in 5 or 6 years.

You're aware that we suck right now right? Unless we trade for Love or another All Star (and that's the assumption for this thread), we're not going anywhere next season, with or without Rondo.  By the time the rest of our team is good enough to compete, Rondo will be past his prime, and it's likely that whoever is drafted at #10 will be better than him.  That is what should matter since we'll actually be competitive at that point.  Not to mention that Rondo will almost certainly lower our chances of getting a stud next year and will probably leave for a better team after that if we don't get him any help.

Rondo is also something like the 8th - 10th best PG in the league at this point, so while he's a very good player, the value that we can get in return needs to be kept in perspective.

  Rondo was a top 3-4 pg in the league before he was hurt. He'll probably be the same when he's fully recovered.

Really? He'll have to be better than plenty of guys to do so...Paul, Parker, Curry, Westbrook, Wall, Irving, Rose, Lillard, etc.

I think saying he'll be a top 10 PG is probably a much safer bet.

  Opinions vary. I'd guess you thought he was a top 10 pg when he was 3rd team all-nba, I doubt he'll do anything to change your opinion in the future.

Well, for starters that was back in 2012. In addition, there were 3 PGs that were placed ahead of him in the all-nba teams (Paul 1st team, Westbrook and Parker 2nd team).  Also, Rose was out that year so a healthy Rose, league MVP the year prior, would put him 5th. This also doesn't account for the improvements/emergence of Wall, Curry, Irving. So yeah, I think a top 10 PG ranking would be a healthy prognostication.

  Irving's a worse player than he was in 2008, so's Parker. Rose is nowhere right now. Westbrook's pretty overrated. We'll see how the season shakes out next year.

Irving: I sure hope not, he was only 16.

Parker: Not sure how you can say he is worse either. He's had two straight all-NBA 2nd team selections. Rondo has never sniffed anything, but that lone 3rd team nomination.

Westbrook: So he's overrated, but Rondo isn't? Westbrook has been voted to 3 straight all-NBA second team selections. It's funny, but if Rondo had the same accolades it would become your default counterargument on all criticisms of Rondo.