Steve Nash finally comes out with honesty

[TitleMaster]

Truth of the matter is that if one can't win a championship, then the only thing left is the big paycheck.

Thus, nowadays, more and more ring chasers will use up a max contract and then, go to a contender at Vet's min, for the final chance to put a title on one's resume.

[fairweatherfan]

Also in regards to the money, who would walk away from 10 million dollars? I dont care who you are, you want the money that is owed to you. Fans dont want to hear that, but it is the truth. 10 million dollars is a lot of money. Especially when this is the last time he can get it.

My wife and I were talking about this - how much money would you have to have to turn your back on $10 million, guaranteed, for one year on a basketball team?  I figured I'd need at least a quarter-billion, not in earnings but in current assets, before I'd consider it.  Even then I'd probably take it. 

If the Lakers didn't want to pay Nash this money they shouldn't've signed him to a contract guaranteeing it.  But I still secretly hope he gets flipped to the Clippers somehow to back up Paul.

[Ogaju]

The LA Lakers have officially shut down Steve Nash for the rest of the season. Nash says he won't retire because he wants the money.

And the truth comes out.

Steve Nash may think he has something left in the tank, and maybe he does. But at over 8 million, and the fact the Lakers offered a 1st pick for him is enough for me to smile at the Lakers downfall.

Also this new lay out is going to take me some getting used to.... My eyes are hurting from all the white, usually why I always choose the Black/Green jerseys on NBA 2K14.

Where's that quote coming from.  I somehow doubt Nash publicly came out and said "I'm not retiring, because I want the money"

Seems to me he really did say he was staying put because he wanted the money.

[timobusa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f60uvx2v_Ys


Here. Cheers

[PickNRoll]

This is all crazy talk.  He signed a GUARANTEED contract.  It pays the same whether he plays 82 games or 0 games.  That's part of their legal agreement.  The Lakers and Nash are both aware of the risk of injury when that contract is signed, especially with a ~40 year old player.  There is nothing selfish about this, period.

Gilbert Arenas is making 22M THIS YEAR.  Think about that.

[kozlodoev]

This is all crazy talk.  He signed a GUARANTEED contract.  It pays the same whether he plays 82 games or 0 games.  That's part of their legal agreement.  The Lakers and Nash are both aware of the risk of injury when that contract is signed, especially with a ~40 year old player.  There is nothing selfish about this, period.

Gilbert Arenas is making 22M THIS YEAR.  Think about that.

Right. Except it doesn't pay the same if you retire.

[PickNRoll]

This is all crazy talk.  He signed a GUARANTEED contract.  It pays the same whether he plays 82 games or 0 games.  That's part of their legal agreement.  The Lakers and Nash are both aware of the risk of injury when that contract is signed, especially with a ~40 year old player.  There is nothing selfish about this, period.

Gilbert Arenas is making 22M THIS YEAR.  Think about that.

Right. Except it doesn't pay the same if you retire.

Exactly.  So he would be insane to retire.  It's a non option.  If he has an ounce of sanity, he collects the money.

[indeedproceed]

This is all crazy talk.  He signed a GUARANTEED contract.  It pays the same whether he plays 82 games or 0 games.  That's part of their legal agreement.  The Lakers and Nash are both aware of the risk of injury when that contract is signed, especially with a ~40 year old player.  There is nothing selfish about this, period.

Gilbert Arenas is making 22M THIS YEAR.  Think about that.

Right. Except it doesn't pay the same if you retire.

How does it pay with medical retirement? I know Brandon Roy got paid, but the blazes got a lot reimbursed, until he played again and Paul Allen got Maaaaaadddd..

How does it pay of you outright retire vs medical retirement? Is it more spread out or something? I guess I could google all this, but I've typed all this so..

[D.o.s.]

This is all crazy talk.  He signed a GUARANTEED contract.  It pays the same whether he plays 82 games or 0 games.  That's part of their legal agreement.  The Lakers and Nash are both aware of the risk of injury when that contract is signed, especially with a ~40 year old player.  There is nothing selfish about this, period.

Gilbert Arenas is making 22M THIS YEAR.  Think about that.

Right. Except it doesn't pay the same if you retire.

How does it pay with medical retirement? I know Brandon Roy got paid, but the blazes got a lot reimbursed, until he played again and Paul Allen got Maaaaaadddd..

How does it pay of you outright retire vs medical retirement? Is it more spread out or something? I guess I could google all this, but I've typed all this so..

Roy didn't actually have a medical retirement -- he was amnestied. 

[indeedproceed]

This is all crazy talk.  He signed a GUARANTEED contract.  It pays the same whether he plays 82 games or 0 games.  That's part of their legal agreement.  The Lakers and Nash are both aware of the risk of injury when that contract is signed, especially with a ~40 year old player.  There is nothing selfish about this, period.

Gilbert Arenas is making 22M THIS YEAR.  Think about that.

Right. Except it doesn't pay the same if you retire.

How does it pay with medical retirement? I know Brandon Roy got paid, but the blazes got a lot reimbursed, until he played again and Paul Allen got Maaaaaadddd..

How does it pay of you outright retire vs medical retirement? Is it more spread out or something? I guess I could google all this, but I've typed all this so..

Roy didn't actually have a medical retirement -- he was amnestied. 

I think he actually ended up doing both. I only remember this because of the craziness that happened when the T-Wolves signed him after his medical retirement, it changed how he was paid the money still due to him.

Maybe, they amnestied him, and then his insurance paid the amnesty, until he was signed by the t-wolves, then the Blazers ended up paying him. Whatever it was, it's the reason Nic Batum isn't a T-wolf.

[D.o.s.]

This is all crazy talk.  He signed a GUARANTEED contract.  It pays the same whether he plays 82 games or 0 games.  That's part of their legal agreement.  The Lakers and Nash are both aware of the risk of injury when that contract is signed, especially with a ~40 year old player.  There is nothing selfish about this, period.

Gilbert Arenas is making 22M THIS YEAR.  Think about that.

Right. Except it doesn't pay the same if you retire.

How does it pay with medical retirement? I know Brandon Roy got paid, but the blazes got a lot reimbursed, until he played again and Paul Allen got Maaaaaadddd..

How does it pay of you outright retire vs medical retirement? Is it more spread out or something? I guess I could google all this, but I've typed all this so..

Roy didn't actually have a medical retirement -- he was amnestied. 

I think he actually ended up doing both. I only remember this because of the craziness that happened when the T-Wolves signed him after his medical retirement, it changed how he was paid the money still due to him.

Maybe, they amnestied him, and then his insurance paid the amnesty, until he was signed by the t-wolves, then the Blazers ended up paying him. Whatever it was, it's the reason Nic Batum isn't a T-wolf.

You're about 75% there. The Blazers matched the offer Batum got from the Timberwolves before Roy signed with Minnesota:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8178326/portland-trail-blazers-match-minnesota-timberwolves-offer-nicolas-batum

In some ways, losing out on Batum will still help the Wolves. They have more than $14 million in cap room now, and are expected to announce agreements with former Blazers guard Brandon Roy and Russian guard Alexey Shved in the coming days.

That has nothing to do with the fact that when Roy got his max deal from Portland, it was only partially insured because of his knees. The Blazers were able to get 17 million of his deal insured, but that was on the assumption that Roy would be "permanently" disabled. Which he wasn't.  So, basically, the burden of payment shifted to the Blazers from the insurance company once he unretired:
http://www.csnnw.com/article/brandon-roys-return-nba-would-cost-trail-blazers-17-million


That's even more complicated by the fact that, in regards to the amnesty, it worked exactly the opposite way that most amnesty cases did -- none of the money from the contract he signed with the Timberwolves counted against what Portland owed him, the way an amnestied player's deal usually would, because he completely cleared the waivers and was an UFA. So that's where Paul Allen got 'screwed' -- he had to pay the money that was slated to be paid by the insurance company, and none of that was being offset by the Timberwolves deal.

I think that's what I remember about it, in regards to that last bit anyway. I've had to retype it like four times -- need sleep.

[indeedproceed]

Yeah you've got the right of it there. I just remember rumors of the bad blood over the Roy signing, and it being related to Batum's offer being matched.

[D.o.s.]

I think it's start is earlier than that -- the T-Wolves traded Roy to the Trail Blazers for Randy Foye, which is part of the reason Kahn was all in on bringing Roy out of retirement. The fact that he got to screw Portland after they'd screwed him was the icing on the cake.


I think I miss David Kahn's antics.

[PhoSita]

I wonder how many clicks this thread got because the title somewhat suggests something more headline-worthy than what it's actually about.

[indeedproceed]

In my speculative mind, Brandon Roy is drunk a lot. He'd be the best 2 guard in the league today if he could've kept playing at his peak Portland production. I imagine he just stays in his massive home theatre watching old blazers games and drinking expensive scotch.