Adam Silver favors raising the age limit

[KGs Knee]

Does anyone know of any other industry that doesn't allow people that are legal adults to make a living in it with willing employers? Just curious.  I can only think of maybe having to be 21 to be a bartender.

NFL

[D.o.s.]

This should read "NBA in cahoots with NCAA to steal more money from athletes and put it in the pockets of college administrators".

Sickening.

Now, if the major college programs broke away from the NCAA and paid there players a legitimate portion of the revenue, I would probably be more inclined to not be bothered.

College football is even worse.

Unless the NBA really starts championing the D-League as a viable alternative to the NCAA (aka get paid in stead of pay-to-play), I'm inclined to agree with you.

Does anyone know of any other industry that doesn't allow people that are legal adults to make a living in it with willing employers? Just curious.  I can only think of maybe having to be 21 to be a bartender.

Senator/President/House Rep.

[wdleehi]

I am not worried about guys losing out on money because they are exposed as not being good enough.  That money will just go to someone else who is.


I feel bad for a guy that could get hurt, but that can happen to them just as easily in high school. 



I still believe raising the age and forcing players to improve their game more before entering the league is the best thing the NBA can do for their game. 

[Moranis]

I am not worried about guys losing out on money because they are exposed as not being good enough.  That money will just go to someone else who is.


I feel bad for a guy that could get hurt, but that can happen to them just as easily in high school. 



I still believe raising the age and forcing players to improve their game more before entering the league is the best thing the NBA can do for their game.

Is it really?  Would Lebron James' have really improved his game more in college than he did in the NBA?  I'm sure there are some players that would benefit more from college, but I'm also sure there are some players that would in fact benefit more from playing in the NBA. 

[bdm860]

Does anyone know of any other industry that doesn't allow people that are legal adults to make a living in it with willing employers? Just curious.  I can only think of maybe having to be 21 to be a bartender.

Senator/President/House Rep.

It may vary state by state, but you can't be a cop, fire fighter, or medical doctor unless you're 21.

[Eja117]

I mildly support the age limit as a bargained thing between the union and nba. I just think philosophically it's a little sad that they don't tell the truth about it. Just tell the truth of why you're doing it. Just say "Well. Realistically our scouting is so incompetent that we need the extra time to evaluate, and our vets want extra time to make money before a better athlete or an athlete projected to be better takes their job".

We see the pros and cons. So just say the truth.

You won't see the NBA saying "And oh by the way. Following our logic we also feel anyone under the age of 20 is too young to make the decision to join the military where they could possibly get their head blown off, which is realistically a far worse possible consequence than anything that could happen to them in the NBA"


I think maybe a fair compromise would be some hybrid system where you could be drafted and a team could have your rights, but then you go back to school, or maybe an independent rating agency rates the players on several levels (maturity/psych test included) and only players that they rate as top 7 are allowed to come out. That way Bron can come out, but not Leon Smith. 

Kobe had great SATs and spoke Italian.  Lebron was a great student.  They were excellent candidates to come out. Some other guys....not so much.

[wdleehi]

I am not worried about guys losing out on money because they are exposed as not being good enough.  That money will just go to someone else who is.


I feel bad for a guy that could get hurt, but that can happen to them just as easily in high school. 



I still believe raising the age and forcing players to improve their game more before entering the league is the best thing the NBA can do for their game.

Is it really?  Would Lebron James' have really improved his game more in college than he did in the NBA?  I'm sure there are some players that would benefit more from college, but I'm also sure there are some players that would in fact benefit more from playing in the NBA.

And how many Lebron James are there? 



He is the exception.  How many of the other young guys have the star level abilities, but huge holes in their games.  Imagine Dwight Howard had spent two years in college (or the d-league) developing a post game?  (something Barkley says you can not develop once you are in the NBA)

[wdleehi]

I mildly support the age limit as a bargained thing between the union and nba. I just think philosophically it's a little sad that they don't tell the truth about it. Just tell the truth of why you're doing it. Just say "Well. Realistically our scouting is so incompetent that we need the extra time to evaluate, and our vets want extra time to make money before a better athlete or an athlete projected to be better takes their job".

We see the pros and cons. So just say the truth.

You won't see the NBA saying "And oh by the way. Following our logic we also feel anyone under the age of 20 is too young to make the decision to join the military where they could possibly get their head blown off, which is realistically a far worse possible consequence than anything that could happen to them in the NBA"


I think maybe a fair compromise would be some hybrid system where you could be drafted and a team could have your rights, but then you go back to school, or maybe an independent rating agency rates the players on several levels (maturity/psych test included) and only players that they rate as top 7 are allowed to come out. That way Bron can come out, but not Leon Smith. 

Kobe had great SATs and spoke Italian.  Lebron was a great student.  They were excellent candidates to come out. Some other guys....not so much.

Why?  It helps out the older players in the NBA. 


And it is a great negotiating point for them.  They can find a way to help young stars get a bigger contract sooner.  (non-rookie deal)

[Bankshot]

This should read "NBA in cahoots with NCAA to steal more money from athletes and put it in the pockets of college administrators".

Sickening.

Now, if the major college programs broke away from the NCAA and paid there players a legitimate portion of the revenue, I would probably be more inclined to not be bothered.

College football is even worse.

Thank you!  This is exactly how I fell.

I just love how the NCAA allows coaches to make millions off of endorsements, but the players can't.

[D.o.s.]

I mildly support the age limit as a bargained thing between the union and nba. I just think philosophically it's a little sad that they don't tell the truth about it. Just tell the truth of why you're doing it. Just say "Well. Realistically our scouting is so incompetent that we need the extra time to evaluate, and our vets want extra time to make money before a better athlete or an athlete projected to be better takes their job".

We see the pros and cons. So just say the truth.

You won't see the NBA saying "And oh by the way. Following our logic we also feel anyone under the age of 20 is too young to make the decision to join the military where they could possibly get their head blown off, which is realistically a far worse possible consequence than anything that could happen to them in the NBA"


I think maybe a fair compromise would be some hybrid system where you could be drafted and a team could have your rights, but then you go back to school, or maybe an independent rating agency rates the players on several levels (maturity/psych test included) and only players that they rate as top 7 are allowed to come out. That way Bron can come out, but not Leon Smith. 

Kobe had great SATs and spoke Italian.  Lebron was a great student.  They were excellent candidates to come out. Some other guys....not so much.

For anyone that doesn't know, the league used to allow NBA teams to draft players pre-emptively. That's how Red snagged Bird his junior year of college.

I've also always wondered why Chuck's got that stance on the post-game in the NBA. Anyone know his reasoning?

[wdleehi]

This should read "NBA in cahoots with NCAA to steal more money from athletes and put it in the pockets of college administrators".

Sickening.

Now, if the major college programs broke away from the NCAA and paid there players a legitimate portion of the revenue, I would probably be more inclined to not be bothered.

College football is even worse.

Thank you!  This is exactly how I fell.

I just love how the NCAA allows coaches to make millions off of endorsements, but the players can't.

That is an NCAA issue, not an NBA issue. 

[Moranis]

I am not worried about guys losing out on money because they are exposed as not being good enough.  That money will just go to someone else who is.


I feel bad for a guy that could get hurt, but that can happen to them just as easily in high school. 



I still believe raising the age and forcing players to improve their game more before entering the league is the best thing the NBA can do for their game.

Is it really?  Would Lebron James' have really improved his game more in college than he did in the NBA?  I'm sure there are some players that would benefit more from college, but I'm also sure there are some players that would in fact benefit more from playing in the NBA.

And how many Lebron James are there? 



He is the exception.  How many of the other young guys have the star level abilities, but huge holes in their games.  Imagine Dwight Howard had spent two years in college (or the d-league) developing a post game?  (something Barkley says you can not develop once you are in the NBA)

You mean the Dwight Howard that is a career 18/13 player and who has only averaged less than 12.3 rebounds a game his rookie year.  He didn't need college to develop at all.  In fact, if you look at some of the big centers, like Oden, they don't develop in college because they don't consistently play real top level competition that has the size to give them trouble.  Dwight Howard would have brutalized college centers (even at 18) and thus would not have developed anything in college because no one in college would force him to develop anything. 

If you actually look at the list of the high school to pro players, the vast majority of them are highly successful players in the league and most of them were above average immediately.  The success rate for the high school players is in fact larger than the success rate of every level of people with college experience that are drafted at similar draft spots i.e. lottery vs. lottery, first vs. first, etc. and are far more successful than international.  The simple truth is, there are no statistical factors that support any of this nonsense being spouted by guys like Silver.  It is just pure nonsense.

[wdleehi]

I am not worried about guys losing out on money because they are exposed as not being good enough.  That money will just go to someone else who is.


I feel bad for a guy that could get hurt, but that can happen to them just as easily in high school. 



I still believe raising the age and forcing players to improve their game more before entering the league is the best thing the NBA can do for their game.

Is it really?  Would Lebron James' have really improved his game more in college than he did in the NBA?  I'm sure there are some players that would benefit more from college, but I'm also sure there are some players that would in fact benefit more from playing in the NBA.

And how many Lebron James are there? 



He is the exception.  How many of the other young guys have the star level abilities, but huge holes in their games.  Imagine Dwight Howard had spent two years in college (or the d-league) developing a post game?  (something Barkley says you can not develop once you are in the NBA)

You mean the Dwight Howard that is a career 18/13 player and who has only averaged less than 12.3 rebounds a game his rookie year.  He didn't need college to develop at all.  In fact, if you look at some of the big centers, like Oden, they don't develop in college because they don't consistently play real top level competition that has the size to give them trouble.  Dwight Howard would have brutalized college centers (even at 18) and thus would not have developed anything in college because no one in college would force him to develop anything. 

If you actually look at the list of the high school to pro players, the vast majority of them are highly successful players in the league and most of them were above average immediately.  The success rate for the high school players is in fact larger than the success rate of every level of people with college experience that are drafted at similar draft spots i.e. lottery vs. lottery, first vs. first, etc. and are far more successful than international.  The simple truth is, there are no statistical factors that support any of this nonsense being spouted by guys like Silver.  It is just pure nonsense.

When was Oden healthy?  And he was only there for one year.  This is to increase the amount of time to train.


And that tidbit was from Barkley, a NBA all time great who did have a low post game. 


And Howard does not have a good low post offense.  Never had.  If he did, he could be averaging closer to 25 a game. 

[D.o.s.]

This should read "NBA in cahoots with NCAA to steal more money from athletes and put it in the pockets of college administrators".

Sickening.

Now, if the major college programs broke away from the NCAA and paid there players a legitimate portion of the revenue, I would probably be more inclined to not be bothered.

College football is even worse.

Thank you!  This is exactly how I fell.

I just love how the NCAA allows coaches to make millions off of endorsements, but the players can't.

That is an NCAA issue, not an NBA issue.

That's true, but it's pretty obvious the NCAA and the NBA have a very friendly faux farm system going.

[wdleehi]

This should read "NBA in cahoots with NCAA to steal more money from athletes and put it in the pockets of college administrators".

Sickening.

Now, if the major college programs broke away from the NCAA and paid there players a legitimate portion of the revenue, I would probably be more inclined to not be bothered.

College football is even worse.

Thank you!  This is exactly how I fell.

I just love how the NCAA allows coaches to make millions off of endorsements, but the players can't.

That is an NCAA issue, not an NBA issue.

That's true, but it's pretty obvious the NCAA and the NBA have a very friendly faux farm system going.

True, but the NBA really doesn't care about how the NCAA deal with the athletes.


I think opening the NBDL route is a great idea.  A top level player going there will not only get paid to play, I would bet apparel companies will be offering them deals as well. 

If that was to happen, it would like force the the NCAA feel more pressure to adjust their model.  (or lose all the top players to another league that would likely gain more and more ratings)