Rajon Rondo's February

[Tr1boy]

http://www.csnne.com/blog/celtics-talk/rondo-again-takes-blame-celtics-loss

At least he knows.  A few of those floaters go in, we would of won the game.

Wait, so you're telling me that if we'd made more baskets, we would've won the game?

Can we tell that to Brandon Bass? Or Jeff Green? Should Stevens put "don't miss shots, guys" up on the bulletin board so they don't forget?

Did they shoot 3-14?
Do they have the ball in their hands like 80 percent of the time?

[D.o.s.]

Bass shot 3-11. Green missed eleven shots.

Source on 80% of the time?

[Tr1boy]

Bass shot 3-11. Green missed eleven shots.

Source on 80% of the time?

The guy pounds the ball.  He holds the ball more than any player in the league today

Btw is bass considered at the same level as rondo? Bass is not even a legit starter

Green went 12 for 23.

As a starter you just cant shoot 3-14. Even rondo knows. So why are you making excuses for him?

[D.o.s.]

Bass shot 3-11. Green missed eleven shots.

Source on 80% of the time?

The guy pounds the ball.  He holds the ball more than any player in the league today

Btw is bass considered at the same level as rondo? Bass is not even a legit starter

Green went 12 for 23.

As a starter you just cant shoot 3-14. Even rondo knows. So why are you making excuses for him?

Source on the fact that Rondo holds the ball more than any player in the league today?

[Fafnir]

http://www.celticsblog.com/2014/3/15/5469908/the-three-laws-of-rajon-rondo-brad-stevens-motion-offense-muse-analysis-spor****-stats-advanced-nba

This article indicates just how much Rondo has the ball. Its up there with the leaders in the league, of course most in the NBA is 23% of the time compared to around 20% for most PGs.

[fairweatherfan]

http://www.celticsblog.com/2014/3/15/5469908/the-three-laws-of-rajon-rondo-brad-stevens-motion-offense-muse-analysis-spor****-stats-advanced-nba

This article indicates just how much Rondo has the ball. Its up there with the leaders in the league, of course most in the NBA is 23% of the time compared to around 20% for most PGs.

Owned by the filter I see.  What the heck is offensive about "T" "V" "U"?

Rondo is clearly an unusually ball-dominant PG, but how that affects the team, positively or negatively, is a lot harder to quantify.

[kozlodoev]

Owned by the filter I see.  What the heck is offensive about "T" "V" "U"?

I suppose it's designed to filter out streaming websites.

[D.o.s.]

So he holds the ball a little more than DJ Augustine.

Wild.

[Vermont Green]

I actually got to watch a good part of the game last night.  I don't use stats as the final arbiter of a player's ability or contribution.  What I saw was that Rondo probably was our best player on the court even though he missed shots he might make sometimes.

There was one play where Sully had the ball in the post and Rondo's man came down to double team.  Rondo was clear across the court.  Clearly the game plan was leave Rondo open.  That is an unusual thing to do with a team's best player.  This is part of why he gets so many rebounds; much easier when your man leaves you as soon as you don't have the ball.

Rondo simply was not good enough to carry the team last night.  He made some good passes, definitely contributed but I still saw a team that isn't that good with Rondo as its best player.  And that was against Brain Roberts who was +19 on the night.  The team actually went more as Green went last night.  I am not saying Green is a better player, just that when he was hitting, we led or came back.

I also don't buy the Rondo isn't healthy or fully has his timing back, wait until next year, argument.  I think Rondo is fine.  This is what Rondo is and always has been.

[Tr1boy]

I actually got to watch a good part of the game last night.  I don't use stats as the final arbiter of a player's ability or contribution.  What I saw was that Rondo probably was our best player on the court even though he missed shots he might make sometimes.

There was one play where Sully had the ball in the post and Rondo's man came down to double team.  Rondo was clear across the court.  Clearly the game plan was leave Rondo open.  That is an unusual thing to do with a team's best player.  This is part of why he gets so many rebounds; much easier when your man leaves you as soon as you don't have the ball.

Rondo simply was not good enough to carry the team last night.  He made some good passes, definitely contributed but I still saw a team that isn't that good with Rondo as its best player.  And that was against Brain Roberts who was +19 on the night.  The team actually went more as Green went last night.  I am not saying Green is a better player, just that when he was hitting, we led or came back.

I also don't buy the Rondo isn't healthy or fully has his timing back, wait until next year, argument.  I think Rondo is fine.  This is what Rondo is and always has been.

+1. Absolutely true imo

[BballTim]

I actually got to watch a good part of the game last night.  I don't use stats as the final arbiter of a player's ability or contribution.  What I saw was that Rondo probably was our best player on the court even though he missed shots he might make sometimes.

There was one play where Sully had the ball in the post and Rondo's man came down to double team.  Rondo was clear across the court.  Clearly the game plan was leave Rondo open.  That is an unusual thing to do with a team's best player.  This is part of why he gets so many rebounds; much easier when your man leaves you as soon as you don't have the ball.

  Rondo's first in the league for point guards for defensive rebounding rate, tied for 34th in offensive rebounding rate. His getting so many rebounds has pretty much nothing to do with what you claim it does.

I also don't buy the Rondo isn't healthy or fully has his timing back, wait until next year, argument.  I think Rondo is fine.  This is what Rondo is and always has been.

  I shouldn't be surprised that people are unable to tell that Rondo's not playing at full speed now but I'm still am. Check out some of his videos from previous seasons on youtube when you get a chance. It's fairly noticeable.

[mmmmm]

I actually got to watch a good part of the game last night.  I don't use stats as the final arbiter of a player's ability or contribution. 

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I also don't buy the Rondo isn't healthy or fully has his timing back, wait until next year, argument.  I think Rondo is fine.  This is what Rondo is and always has been.

Since you don't use stats, we should just take your word then?

Those stats that you don't use seem to disagree pretty strongly with the idea that Rondo is 'fine' and what he 'always has been'.   In particular, his layup, dunk & tip shooting percentages are all dramatically lower than who he 'always has been'.

They are, however, completely consistent with someone who is still getting his legs & timing back after a long layoff from the game.

[Vermont Green]

I actually got to watch a good part of the game last night.  I don't use stats as the final arbiter of a player's ability or contribution. 

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I also don't buy the Rondo isn't healthy or fully has his timing back, wait until next year, argument.  I think Rondo is fine.  This is what Rondo is and always has been.

Since you don't use stats, we should just take your word then?

Those stats that you don't use seem to disagree pretty strongly with the idea that Rondo is 'fine' and what he 'always has been'.   In particular, his layup, dunk & tip shooting percentages are all dramatically lower than who he 'always has been'.

They are, however, completely consistent with someone who is still getting his legs & timing back after a long layoff from the game.

I don't use stats as the "final arbiter" meaning stats are part of the equation but I also go more than most I suspect based on what I see on the court.  Stats can be deceiving.  People will have to decide for themselves whether to take "my word" or not.

The recovered from injury question is a perfect example.  There is no stat for that.  You just have to watch him play and decide what you think.  I see a player that looks fine.  I don't have much else to go on (I am not able to talk to him or his trainers).  Maybe next year he will make all his layups and shoot 40% from 3Pt, win the MVP, and carry us to a title.  If that is the case, I will be very surprised and proven very wrong (wouldn't be the first time).

[mmmmm]

I actually got to watch a good part of the game last night.  I don't use stats as the final arbiter of a player's ability or contribution. 

...

I also don't buy the Rondo isn't healthy or fully has his timing back, wait until next year, argument.  I think Rondo is fine.  This is what Rondo is and always has been.

Since you don't use stats, we should just take your word then?

Those stats that you don't use seem to disagree pretty strongly with the idea that Rondo is 'fine' and what he 'always has been'.   In particular, his layup, dunk & tip shooting percentages are all dramatically lower than who he 'always has been'.

They are, however, completely consistent with someone who is still getting his legs & timing back after a long layoff from the game.

I don't use stats as the "final arbiter" meaning stats are part of the equation but I also go more than most I suspect based on what I see on the court.  Stats can be deceiving.  People will have to decide for themselves whether to take "my word" or not.

The recovered from injury question is a perfect example.  There is no stat for that.  You just have to watch him play and decide what you think.  I see a player that looks fine.  I don't have much else to go on (I am not able to talk to him or his trainers).  Maybe next year he will make all his layups and shoot 40% from 3Pt, win the MVP, and carry us to a title.  If that is the case, I will be very surprised and proven very wrong (wouldn't be the first time).

Just using one's eyes - does it really _look_ to you like he has been able to hit his floaters & layups anywhere NEAR the same consistency as before the injury?

My lying eyes can see that much pretty plain as day.   He has not.

[Vermont Green]

I actually got to watch a good part of the game last night.  I don't use stats as the final arbiter of a player's ability or contribution. 

...

I also don't buy the Rondo isn't healthy or fully has his timing back, wait until next year, argument.  I think Rondo is fine.  This is what Rondo is and always has been.

Since you don't use stats, we should just take your word then?

Those stats that you don't use seem to disagree pretty strongly with the idea that Rondo is 'fine' and what he 'always has been'.   In particular, his layup, dunk & tip shooting percentages are all dramatically lower than who he 'always has been'.

They are, however, completely consistent with someone who is still getting his legs & timing back after a long layoff from the game.

I don't use stats as the "final arbiter" meaning stats are part of the equation but I also go more than most I suspect based on what I see on the court.  Stats can be deceiving.  People will have to decide for themselves whether to take "my word" or not.

The recovered from injury question is a perfect example.  There is no stat for that.  You just have to watch him play and decide what you think.  I see a player that looks fine.  I don't have much else to go on (I am not able to talk to him or his trainers).  Maybe next year he will make all his layups and shoot 40% from 3Pt, win the MVP, and carry us to a title.  If that is the case, I will be very surprised and proven very wrong (wouldn't be the first time).

Just using one's eyes - does it really _look_ to you like he has been able to hit his floaters & layups anywhere NEAR the same consistency as before the injury?

My lying eyes can see that much pretty plain as day.   He has not.

I think he is getting less space to shoot when he shoots so the degree of difficulty is greater lately than in the past.  So it is not that he is shooting worse than he did in the past but that he is trying to make harder shots.

He actually appears to be shooting jumpers better than in the past.  Seems that would not be the case if he wasn't 100%.

I just think overall, he looks just fine.