How good is Jeff Green?

[indeedproceed]

Jeff Green is a medicore basketball player.  That's it, nothing special going on with that guy.  Giving him 4 years was one of the worst deals DA has ever done.  If Doc and KG couldn't get anything out of this guy, nobody will....

Exaggerate much? The deal he got is exactly the deal he should have gotten. He has reasonable value around the league (I don't think Ainge was trading him for a late first). Signing him was a very good idea - if he had panned out as an all-star, the deal would have been genius. Instead, he has a decent asset that can play well for us or easily be traded if we just want to clear his $ money off the books.

Just because he isn't perfectly suited for our team doesn't mean he is a bad player. And for the record, trading an all-star talent in Antoine Walker for Raef LaFrentz and his 5 year/50 million contract was the worst move Danny ever made. If he hated Antoine so much, he should have just let his contract run out. People talk about how bad Gerald Wallace's deal is, well, it doesn't touch LaFrentz.

I'm not 100% on board with either A) Jeff Green makes exactly what he should make and B) Raef Lafrentz was the worst move Danny ever made.....

...B) Raef Lafrentz, before his body broke down, was Ryan Anderson. When he signed his exetension he was a 24 year old 7 footer doing 14 points, 8 boards and shooting 37% from 3 in a league that was much more punishing to a guy of his abilities than it would be now. If you wanna talk about a guy who seemed like he would be worth the money, Lafrentz was that guy. When Danny acquired him, he was coming off of a so-so year and a half in Dallas and still 26 years old. If Jeff Green is 'worth' his money, Raef Lafrentz was a decent gamble.

Funny you mention Anderson. When we traded for Lafrentz he was about as healthy as Ryan Anderson is right now. He didn't last 20 games before needing season ending surgery. Ainge willingly took him on for his six remaining years. We wound up having to trade a lotto pick to shave one year off of his deal.

 I can't say whether Walker had any significant trade value around the league, but almost any move would have been better than that.

Jeff would have to have one of the worst contracts in the NBA to compare it to Lafrentz as "a decent gamble"

Well, that's the way it worked out. I don't think Danny ever entertained the notion that LaFrentz would only one more productive season, and would never improve. I say 'decent gamble' as in using the information available at the time.

[GreenFaith1819]

Better than this season has demonstrated.

Last season, as he got stronger from the surgery - he carried us at times....seemingly playing his best games vs the best teams.

I remember OKC and MIA being his biggest targets last year.

I also remember him leading us in scoring in the playoffs last year.

I think Jeff Green knows how good Jeff Green can be. I also think that Coach Stevens is only beginning to scratch the surface, which is too bad.

I say my last about Coach Stevens ONLY because he has a LOT on his plate as coach of the C's right now. He's been charged with developing talent, among other things.

The thing, to me - is that Jeff Green is already a developed talent...

[kozlodoev]

B) Raef Lafrentz, before his body broke down, was Ryan Anderson. When he signed his exetension he was a 24 year old 7 footer doing 14 points, 8 boards and shooting 37% from 3 in a league that was much more punishing to a guy of his abilities than it would be now. If you wanna talk about a guy who seemed like he would be worth the money, Lafrentz was that guy. When Danny acquired him, he was coming off of a so-so year and a half in Dallas and still 26 years old. If Jeff Green is 'worth' his money, Raef Lafrentz was a decent gamble.

And, for a good measure, LaFrentz was also among the league leaders in blocked shots when he was healthy (for 4 years in a row or so). For what it's worth, Ainge already acknowledged that he underestimated LaFrentz's health issues, so I don't understand why we're beating on a dead horse here.

[footey]

Green is too inconsistent to be a quality starter.  He is a good sixth many on a play off team, a starter on a lottery team.  His biggest weakness is his poor ball handling skills. If he had a nice handle, he would have so much more value because he could create his own shot, like a Durant. 

[GreenFaith1819]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXV8S6HSe18

Seems to me that Jeff Green is proven and ready to compete for playoffs and beyond on a like-minded team.

As for the current C's? Sadly, Jeff Green may be stuck in Limbo.

I'd hate to see him go. I hope Danny can turn this thing around quickly because I think Jeff Green has a future here - with a team that's ready to play deep into May and June.

And I trust that Danny will turn this thing around. I just hope that JG is a part of it.

[Nerf DPOY]

B) Raef Lafrentz, before his body broke down, was Ryan Anderson. When he signed his exetension he was a 24 year old 7 footer doing 14 points, 8 boards and shooting 37% from 3 in a league that was much more punishing to a guy of his abilities than it would be now. If you wanna talk about a guy who seemed like he would be worth the money, Lafrentz was that guy. When Danny acquired him, he was coming off of a so-so year and a half in Dallas and still 26 years old. If Jeff Green is 'worth' his money, Raef Lafrentz was a decent gamble.

And, for a good measure, LaFrentz was also among the league leaders in blocked shots when he was healthy (for 4 years in a row or so). For what it's worth, Ainge already acknowledged that he underestimated LaFrentz's health issues, so I don't understand why we're beating on a dead horse here.

Green's extension was classified as one of Ainge's worst deals ever done. That's nonsense. It's not even in the same universe as the Lafrentz  trade.

Green's contract isn't even bad.

[indeedproceed]

B) Raef Lafrentz, before his body broke down, was Ryan Anderson. When he signed his exetension he was a 24 year old 7 footer doing 14 points, 8 boards and shooting 37% from 3 in a league that was much more punishing to a guy of his abilities than it would be now. If you wanna talk about a guy who seemed like he would be worth the money, Lafrentz was that guy. When Danny acquired him, he was coming off of a so-so year and a half in Dallas and still 26 years old. If Jeff Green is 'worth' his money, Raef Lafrentz was a decent gamble.

And, for a good measure, LaFrentz was also among the league leaders in blocked shots when he was healthy (for 4 years in a row or so). For what it's worth, Ainge already acknowledged that he underestimated LaFrentz's health issues, so I don't understand why we're beating on a dead horse here.

Green's extension was classified as one of Ainge's worst deals ever done. That's nonsense. It's not even in the same universe as the Lafrentz  trade.

Green's contract isn't even bad.

Its not exactly good, but no, its not in the same class of Lafrentz's trade in hindsight.

[PhoSita]

How good is Jeff Green?  Not that good.

List of qualified forward players arranged by WS/48

[GreenFaith1819]

How good is Jeff Green?  Not that good.

List of qualified forward players arranged by WS/48

Statistics say a lot, but they don't always tell the whole story.

Take Kendrick Perkins, for example....he's been lambasted on here and on ESPN for his statistics, but I doubt that OKC is going far without him.

And Perk was a starter on an OKC team that went to the finals.

[indeedproceed]

How good is Jeff Green?  Not that good.

List of qualified forward players arranged by WS/48

Statistics say a lot, but they don't always tell the whole story.

Take Kendrick Perkins, for example....he's been lambasted on here and on ESPN for his statistics, but I doubt that OKC is going far without him.

And Perk was a starter on an OKC team that went to the finals.

Meh. Its hard to disprove a negative (IE that OKC would be worse without Perk), but metrics say otherwise. Look at this on/off statistics:

http://www.82games.com/1314/13OKC14.HTM#onoff

[GreenFaith1819]

How good is Jeff Green?  Not that good.

List of qualified forward players arranged by WS/48

Statistics say a lot, but they don't always tell the whole story.

Take Kendrick Perkins, for example....he's been lambasted on here and on ESPN for his statistics, but I doubt that OKC is going far without him.

And Perk was a starter on an OKC team that went to the finals.

Meh. Its hard to disprove a negative (IE that OKC would be worse without Perk), but metrics say otherwise. Look at this on/off statistics:

http://www.82games.com/1314/13OKC14.HTM#onoff

You mean Perk's on/off Floor Time? If this is what you mean, I can completely understand.

Even when Perk played with BOS, he often didn't finish the games. Posey did, with KG at Center. I even noted that in OKC he often didn't play much in some games.

But I dare you to tell Sam Presti (Or Doc Rivers while he coached BOS) that Perk isn't important to a contending team.

Same thing with Jeff Green.

Sometimes, statistics just don't tell the whole story.

[jambr380]

I can't believe there are people here who don't believe that Green is: A) a starting caliber player in this league, and B) totally easy to move if the need arose (I am not even trying to make the claim whether or not he is worth his contract).

It doesn't matter what you think of his game or that you expected him to be better than he has shown, he is still a good player. If KG and Pierce were on 7 years younger and we still had Rondo, we would be pretty psyched to have Green as the 3rd scorer and 4th best player on the team.

[BballTim]

Jeff Green is a medicore basketball player.  That's it, nothing special going on with that guy.  Giving him 4 years was one of the worst deals DA has ever done.  If Doc and KG couldn't get anything out of this guy, nobody will....

Exaggerate much? The deal he got is exactly the deal he should have gotten. He has reasonable value around the league (I don't think Ainge was trading him for a late first). Signing him was a very good idea - if he had panned out as an all-star, the deal would have been genius. Instead, he has a decent asset that can play well for us or easily be traded if we just want to clear his $ money off the books.

Just because he isn't perfectly suited for our team doesn't mean he is a bad player. And for the record, trading an all-star talent in Antoine Walker for Raef LaFrentz and his 5 year/50 million contract was the worst move Danny ever made. If he hated Antoine so much, he should have just let his contract run out. People talk about how bad Gerald Wallace's deal is, well, it doesn't touch LaFrentz.

I'm not 100% on board with either A) Jeff Green makes exactly what he should make and B) Raef Lafrentz was the worst move Danny ever made.

A) I know I read somewhere that other people wanted to sign Jeff Green, but who exactly were we bidding against at $9 million per? The lost season aside (not Jeff's fault, doesn't look like it hurt him, just a lost year), Green was playing behind Pierce, it wasn't like he was putting up great numbers. Granted his $9 million salary isn't really a cap killer and he isn't unmoveable, but still..who were we bidding against? What solid offers were going to be out there at the same money? I'll wonder about that about as much as I'll wonder who killed Kennedy.

B) Raef Lafrentz, before his body broke down, was Ryan Anderson. When he signed his exetension he was a 24 year old 7 footer doing 14 points, 8 boards and shooting 37% from 3 in a league that was much more punishing to a guy of his abilities than it would be now. If you wanna talk about a guy who seemed like he would be worth the money, Lafrentz was that guy. When Danny acquired him, he was coming off of a so-so year and a half in Dallas and still 26 years old. If Jeff Green is 'worth' his money, Raef Lafrentz was a decent gamble.

  Raef was better than Anderson. He was a good defensive center.