If you want to tank this season, shouldn't you want to tank next season, too?

[LooseCannon]

Given that it seems unlikely that the Celtics can make enough moves this summer to become a contender next season and some people believe that the 2015 draft is better than the 2014 draft?

I am not in favor of tanking, not even this season, but it seems to me that if you want to tank this season and you look at OKC as the model of building a team by getting multiple top five picks, then you should be rooting for Ainge to figure out a way to be even worse next season.

Does anyone in this forum's tank battalion not feel that way?

[BigAlTheFuture]

Yeah, we're a few pieces away. Next years draft is suppose to have the best big prospects in awhile. I want us to get Wiggins/Parker this year and get Turner/Okafor next year to put next to Sully.

[LarBrd33]

I've been a big pro-tanker. 

I don't want to tank next season.   I think it's a one-time thing.  This is a top-heavy draft with a handful of guys who can be very special.  It was a great year to bottom out.  Taking advantage of Rondo's injury and a well-timed bailout by Brooklyn.  This year it makes sense.  I wouldn't have been in favor of tanking last season when the draft was supposed to be weak.

Best-case scenario you nab a franchise player you can build around.  Worst-case scenario you get a pick 7-15 and use it as a trade asset.

Either way, I expect us to be significantly improved next year.

[KGs Knee]

Tankaholics are always looking for the next tank. The 'high' they get from tanking is just too addictive.

Horrible vice tankaholism is.

[Tr1boy]

Given that it seems unlikely that the Celtics can make enough moves this summer to become a contender next season and some people believe that the 2015 draft is better than the 2014 draft?

I am not in favor of tanking, not even this season, but it seems to me that if you want to tank this season and you look at OKC as the model of building a team by getting multiple top five picks, then you should be rooting for Ainge to figure out a way to be even worse next season.

Does anyone in this forum's tank battalion not feel that way?

no. one tank season is good enough. We need to make the playoffs next year, even if its 8th place

Imo i think Danny is going to make some big moves for next year.  AB likely won't be resigned, Jeff Green traded. Gordon Hayward signed, we add a legit Center and draft a top player tha twill contribute

[LooseCannon]

I don't want to tank next season.   I think it's a one-time thing.  This is a top-heavy draft with a handful of guys who can be very special.  It was a great year to bottom out.  Taking advantage of Rondo's injury and a well-timed bailout by Brooklyn.  This year it makes sense.  I wouldn't have been in favor of tanking last season when the draft was supposed to be weak.

What if you became convinced that the top of the 2015 draft was going to be better than 2014?  What if Parker and Embiid decided to wait a year to enter the draft?  Can the values shift enough to change your mind?

[GreenWarrior]

I think everyone is just looking for some quick magic fix. 3 yrs from now if we're not a contending team I bet celtic nation becomes a lot quieter. 

[D.o.s.]

Given that it seems unlikely that the Celtics can make enough moves this summer to become a contender next season and some people believe that the 2015 draft is better than the 2014 draft?

I am not in favor of tanking, not even this season, but it seems to me that if you want to tank this season and you look at OKC as the model of building a team by getting multiple top five picks, then you should be rooting for Ainge to figure out a way to be even worse next season.

Does anyone in this forum's tank battalion not feel that way?

If we're still bad next year, why not?

[LarBrd33]

I don't want to tank next season.   I think it's a one-time thing.  This is a top-heavy draft with a handful of guys who can be very special.  It was a great year to bottom out.  Taking advantage of Rondo's injury and a well-timed bailout by Brooklyn.  This year it makes sense.  I wouldn't have been in favor of tanking last season when the draft was supposed to be weak.

What if you became convinced that the top of the 2015 draft was going to be better than 2014?  What if Parker and Embiid decided to wait a year to enter the draft?  Can the values shift enough to change your mind?

Our 3 best players this year were Rondo, Pierce and KG.  Rondo got hurt... KG and Pierce were on their last legs.  It opened up a bailout trade by Brooklyn.  It was a perfect set of circumstances that opened up Danny's tank job.

We just need to finish out this year.  Next year Rondo will be healthy, Sully will be better, we will either have a star prospect or an asset we added.  Tanking will not make a ton of sense.

However...

We're basically the 2007 Sonics at that point.  If you land Wiggins/Parker in the draft, it might make the most sense to trade Rondo (our Ray Allen) for a pick in the 8-10 range (equal to 2007 #5) and organically grow this team. 

[pokeKingCurtis]

I don't want to tank next season.   I think it's a one-time thing.  This is a top-heavy draft with a handful of guys who can be very special.  It was a great year to bottom out.  Taking advantage of Rondo's injury and a well-timed bailout by Brooklyn.  This year it makes sense.  I wouldn't have been in favor of tanking last season when the draft was supposed to be weak.

What if you became convinced that the top of the 2015 draft was going to be better than 2014?  What if Parker and Embiid decided to wait a year to enter the draft?  Can the values shift enough to change your mind?

Not being a pro- or anti- tanker, take my words with a grain of salt.

I've seen some pro-tankers who point to the OKC model.

My impression is that most expect a Bulls 08-09 type deal.

What Ainge has done outside of the scope of tanking is very overlooked, I feel, especially on here. Hiring Brad Stevens, Ron Adams, having a bunch of assets, draft picks out the wazoo, nice role players. There are no malcontents in the locker room. We have flexibility. Much as I would have liked to see Josh Smith on the roster, I'm also glad he's not eating up our cap for many many years.

Whether we grab Jabari or K-Love, or try to build like the Rockets, or spend 6 years in perennial lottery, trade Rondo, we're very much poised to be competitive very quickly. Dare I say more so than the above mentioned two teams.

[cb8883]

I've been a big pro-tanker. 

I don't want to tank next season.   I think it's a one-time thing.  This is a top-heavy draft with a handful of guys who can be very special.  It was a great year to bottom out.  Taking advantage of Rondo's injury and a well-timed bailout by Brooklyn.  This year it makes sense.  I wouldn't have been in favor of tanking last season when the draft was supposed to be weak.

Best-case scenario you nab a franchise player you can build around.  Worst-case scenario you get a pick 7-15 and use it as a trade asset.

Either way, I expect us to be significantly improved next year.

Celtics have no choice after today. Pretty much locking yourself into selecting Hood or WCS or some of the other good rotation players but no one that will be a star. You pretty much said if you're Ainge today that we're passing on Embiid Wiggins Parker Exum or even Randle.

[LarBrd33]

I've been a big pro-tanker. 

I don't want to tank next season.   I think it's a one-time thing.  This is a top-heavy draft with a handful of guys who can be very special.  It was a great year to bottom out.  Taking advantage of Rondo's injury and a well-timed bailout by Brooklyn.  This year it makes sense.  I wouldn't have been in favor of tanking last season when the draft was supposed to be weak.

Best-case scenario you nab a franchise player you can build around.  Worst-case scenario you get a pick 7-15 and use it as a trade asset.

Either way, I expect us to be significantly improved next year.

Celtics have no choice after today. Pretty much locking yourself into selecting Hood or WCS or some of the other good rotation players but no one that will be a star. You pretty much said if you're Ainge today that we're passing on Embiid Wiggins Parker Exum or even Randle.

We're projected 6th in the lotto right now.  If we hold that position, we should net a nice player. 

[cb8883]

I've been a big pro-tanker. 

I don't want to tank next season.   I think it's a one-time thing.  This is a top-heavy draft with a handful of guys who can be very special.  It was a great year to bottom out.  Taking advantage of Rondo's injury and a well-timed bailout by Brooklyn.  This year it makes sense.  I wouldn't have been in favor of tanking last season when the draft was supposed to be weak.

Best-case scenario you nab a franchise player you can build around.  Worst-case scenario you get a pick 7-15 and use it as a trade asset.

Either way, I expect us to be significantly improved next year.

Celtics have no choice after today. Pretty much locking yourself into selecting Hood or WCS or some of the other good rotation players but no one that will be a star. You pretty much said if you're Ainge today that we're passing on Embiid Wiggins Parker Exum or even Randle.

We're projected 6th in the lotto right now.  If we hold that position, we should net a nice player.

As I said, nice players are rotational guys. They'll make an all star game or two but you can't build around them. This is a 3-4 player draft. Best top of the draft since LeBron and yet Ainge wants to act like they have a shot. Horrible

[PhoSita]

If the team is really "tanking" next year, as well, it means that whatever talent they added in the draft his year, combined with the development of the young guys already on the team, isn't enough for the team to be much more competitive than this year.

That would be pretty disappointing. 

I don't expect the team to be that good next season, but I think, depending on luck in the draft and what other moves Danny makes, that the team could end up competing for a lower playoff seed.  The goal then would be to make further moves to be ready to be even better than that the following year.

Overall, I'm concerned with how good the team is 2 or 3 years from now.

[footey]

tanking next year would eliminate any chance of rebuilding around rondo, who would be so gone.