Tommy on Olynyk

[D.o.s.]

If Kelly's ceiling is Bargs 2.0 that's ok for a late lotto pick. Even with his turrrrrrrible D.

Bargnani's biggest problem has always been Bryan Colangelo.

So what's his excuse on the Knicks?  He had much better years in Toronto.

Was referring to the fact that he was a #1 overall draft pick. If he had been taken where KO was I don't think he would've been seen as nearly as bad of a bust.

[Tr1boy]

If Kelly's ceiling is Bargs 2.0 that's ok for a late lotto pick. Even with his turrrrrrrible D.

Bargnani's biggest problem has always been Bryan Colangelo.

His D is terrible for a center or pf/c. Not for a stretch 4.  His rebounding numbers will increase as he gets stronger.

KO is better than barney. The guy plays with little heart

[D.o.s.]

I get what you're saying, but KO's D is just bad. That's ok, Matt Bonner/Channing Frye/Bargs are not known for their D, either.

I don't think Oly's rebounding is going to get all that much better - grabbing boards seems to be a pretty innate skill.

[GreenWarrior]

Dude's gotta stop lying to himself about his facial hair and shave, though.

Ha yeah.

Pierce's scraggly mess always annoys me too when it gets out of hand.

ha! yeah reminded me of teenwolf.

[Tr1boy]

I get what you're saying, but KO's D is just bad. That's ok, Matt Bonner/Channing Frye/Bargs are not known for their D, either.

I don't think Oly's rebounding is going to get all that much better - grabbing boards seems to be a pretty innate skill.

It is but also you need strength to try to do the job. When was the last time you seen a player with mediocre/undeveloped strength but nice rebounding skills produce decent numbers?

If you get pushed off or your space taken away unless your rodman, you wont get the rebound

[D.o.s.]

I get what you're saying, but KO's D is just bad. That's ok, Matt Bonner/Channing Frye/Bargs are not known for their D, either.

I don't think Oly's rebounding is going to get all that much better - grabbing boards seems to be a pretty innate skill.

It is but also you need strength to try to do the job. When was the last time you seen a player with mediocre/undeveloped strength but nice rebounding skills produce decent numbers?

If you get pushed off or your space taken away unless your rodman, you wont get the rebound

Faried in his rookie season.

[Tr1boy]

I get what you're saying, but KO's D is just bad. That's ok, Matt Bonner/Channing Frye/Bargs are not known for their D, either.

I don't think Oly's rebounding is going to get all that much better - grabbing boards seems to be a pretty innate skill.

It is but also you need strength to try to do the job. When was the last time you seen a player with mediocre/undeveloped strength but nice rebounding skills produce decent numbers?

If you get pushed off or your space taken away unless your rodman, you wont get the rebound

Faried in his rookie season.

I thought you would say faried. But I would say he is considered an exception. Also when he came into the nba he was pretty strong for a rookie

Look at another rookie like andre roberson. Has excellent natural skills but right now cant do much bc he gets pushed around easily

[D.o.s.]

I haven't seen Andre Robertson play this year.

I'm thinking about players before Faried that really impressed me, but I've to do some work first.

[D.o.s.]

Welp, I would've picked Love and Boogie, I think.

Here a list of rookies who qualified for the Minutes leaderboard (i.e. actually played) with a TRB of 17% or above - my own off-the-cuff baseline for "good-to-great" rebounding:
http://bkref.com/tiny/gbvF6

Pretty interesting stuff there. Can't disagree with any of the names, I will say Blake and Thomas Robinson surprised me.


Faried's not on that list - didn't make the minutes cut - but his rookie year he posted a 19.8% TRB.

[dysgenic]

I'm just about ready to admit I was wrong about this guy.  Very seldom do players improve this much in such a short amount of time and become stiffs.  He is a better athlete than I thought he was.  Offensively, I can see him being a nightmare for other teams to defend.  He can shoot over the top of just about any PF in the league. I'm dreaming about a future frontcourt of Embiid and KO with a slimmed down Sully coming off the bench.

Could this team contend in 3 years?

pg Rondo
sg Bradley
sf Green
pf Olynyk
C  Embiid

6th man Sullinger

Maybe 2 guys away, and we have draft picks.

[Fafnir]

If Kelly's ceiling is Bargs 2.0 that's ok for a late lotto pick. Even with his turrrrrrrible D.

Bargnani's biggest problem has always been Bryan Colangelo.

Kelly's rebounding TRB is a full 4 points higher than Bargs career best TRB.

Even if he plays poor D the rest of his career just being able to rebound the PF position adequately will make him a more useful player than Bargs.

[kozlodoev]

Could this team contend in 3 years?

pg Rondo
sg Bradley
sf Green
pf Olynyk
C  Embiid

6th man Sullinger

Could contend... for a spot in the playoffs.

[Tr1boy]

If Kelly's ceiling is Bargs 2.0 that's ok for a late lotto pick. Even with his turrrrrrrible D.

Bargnani's biggest problem has always been Bryan Colangelo.

Kelly's rebounding TRB is a full 4 points higher than Bargs career best TRB.

Even if he plays poor D the rest of his career just being able to rebound the PF position adequately will make him a more useful player than Bargs.

+1

[clover]

I'm just about ready to admit I was wrong about this guy.  Very seldom do players improve this much in such a short amount of time and become stiffs.  He is a better athlete than I thought he was.  Offensively, I can see him being a nightmare for other teams to defend.  He can shoot over the top of just about any PF in the league. I'm dreaming about a future frontcourt of Embiid and KO with a slimmed down Sully coming off the bench.

Could this team contend in 3 years?

pg Rondo
sg Bradley
sf Green
pf Olynyk
C  Embiid

6th man Sullinger

Maybe 2 guys away, and we have draft picks.

I'd be thrilled with Rondo, Olynyk and Embiid at the 1, 4 and 5 in three years--but I'd still want upgrades over Bradley and Green at the 2 and 3. (Either a major upgrade for one of them or moderate upgrades at both positions.)

[Tr1boy]

I'm just about ready to admit I was wrong about this guy.  Very seldom do players improve this much in such a short amount of time and become stiffs.  He is a better athlete than I thought he was.  Offensively, I can see him being a nightmare for other teams to defend.  He can shoot over the top of just about any PF in the league. I'm dreaming about a future frontcourt of Embiid and KO with a slimmed down Sully coming off the bench.

Could this team contend in 3 years?

pg Rondo
sg Bradley
sf Green
pf Olynyk
C  Embiid

6th man Sullinger

Maybe 2 guys away, and we have draft picks.

Yes but embiid at peak