Is Rondo worth a max contract?

[chambers]

So we don't know the details of Rondo's contract extension offer, but we know the maximum deal he could get for extending now is 2 years at roughly 15 million per year.

He'd only be extended for 2 more seasons though, so security wise for him that might not be the best move which is understandable.

My limited understanding is that if he signs a max deal in the final season of his current contract, he's eligible for a higher pay rate at more years.

So we'd be looking at $17 million plus over 4-5 years?
Help confirming/correcting these lines would be great
So, what's Rondo worth in 2015 if he comes back to 110% old Rondo, with slightly improved shooting?
I'd say about 15-16 million over 4 years. My biggest concern is seeing him play with poorer guys like our current roster.
Id also assume though if we do resign him, at some point we'll get him some effective shooters to maximize his passing brilliance/floor grasp.
What do you think?

[manl_lui]

this is something we should talk about next summer. Rondo is still coming back from injury and returning to form. Doubt he will play at an all-star level much this season. Next season will determine how much is he actually worth

[PhoSita]

I think $12 million seems like fair value, but I'd want to wait to see him return to full strength before committing to him.

[Jailan34]

Has RR improved so significantly from when he signed his 11 mil per year deal that he deserves a 6 million dollar raise? I'd say he's largely the same player.

[NikoZea]

Has RR improved so significantly from when he signed his 11 mil per year deal that he deserves a 6 million dollar raise? I'd say he's largely the same player.

11m was an extension a while back when he was still a sidekick to the Big Three. That was before he showed people that he could dominate a playoff series. 

[bobbyv]

I think Playoff Rondo is. Regular Rondo probably isn't.

[NikoZea]

Yeah, unfortunately he is. If we could keep him at 12-14 million that would be great, but it's not going to be happen. He's been the best player on the court in a playoff series against LeBron and the Heat (Would've scored the game winner had Wade not slapped him in the face), and you need players like that to be contenders.

[Jailan34]

Has RR improved so significantly from when he signed his 11 mil per year deal that he deserves a 6 million dollar raise? I'd say he's largely the same player.

11m was an extension a while back when he was still a sidekick to the Big Three. That was before he showed people that he could dominate a playoff series. 

He's coming off major surgery and cannot be a number 1 or 2 option on a championship team.

I love RR, he does so many things every team needs to win, but that doesn't mean he deserves to take up as much cap space as a melo or lebron does. 12-13 million is more than fair.

[chambers]

Yeah, unfortunately he is. If we could keep him at 12-14 million that would be great, but it's not going to be happen. He's been the best player on the court in a playoff series against LeBron and the Heat (Would've scored the game winner had Wade not slapped him in the face), and you need players like that to be contenders.

Do his shooting deficiencies from the three point line and free throw line make him a max caliber guy?
Being the best player in a playoff series is awesome but shouldnt a max level player be able to play like that consistently in the regular season? I think a small raise is okay from 13 to 15 million but between now and then he'd have to show us some seriously improved shooting from the line and behind the three point mark. Ie 75% from the line and 33% from three land seems more than reasonable for a max level point guard. Perhaps 4 years 60 million? Or 5 years 70 million? If that's even possible?

[azzenfrost]

You can't call someone a franchise or star without living with the price tag.

[KGs Knee]

Absolutely.

Rondo is still in his prime, and when healthy is a top 10 player in the NBA. The C's got one of the biggest bargain contracts in the league with what Rondo is currently signed to.

[chambers]

Absolutely.

Rondo is still in his prime, and when healthy is a top 10 player in the NBA. The C's got one of the biggest bargain contracts in the league with what Rondo is currently signed to.

I dunno about top 10 player. If he was a top 10 guy we wouldn't be having this discussion. He's played like a top 10 guy in a few playoff series (with his declining HOF team mates in the latter years) but he certainly can't give you max money level play every night. He might be a top 20 to 25 guy overall but again his regular season play is really just being the assist king/floor general with solid defense that can't shoot.
The only argument which is very valid is that despite not being a 20 million dollar guy for his on court play, his marketing value to the Celtics is priceless and he should probably get some of that as a little bonus on top. So a 14 million deal with another 2-3 million on top for his All Star 'Magic Johnson' power is fair too.

If he could shoot like Steve Nash he'd be arguably one of the greatest players of all time.

[Moranis]

Absolutely.

Rondo is still in his prime, and when healthy is a top 10 player in the NBA. The C's got one of the biggest bargain contracts in the league with what Rondo is currently signed to.

I dunno about top 10 player. If he was a top 10 guy we wouldn't be having this discussion. He's played like a top 10 guy in a few playoff series (with his declining HOF team mates in the latter years) but he certainly can't give you max money level play every night. He might be a top 20 to 25 guy overall but again his regular season play is really just being the assist king/floor general with solid defense that can't shoot.
The only argument which is very valid is that despite not being a 20 million dollar guy for his on court play, his marketing value to the Celtics is priceless and he should probably get some of that as a little bonus on top. So a 14 million deal with another 2-3 million on top for his All Star 'Magic Johnson' power is fair too.

If he could shoot like Steve Nash he'd be arguably one of the greatest players of all time.

if he could shoot like Nash, he would basically be Chris Paul. 

[KGs Knee]

Absolutely.

Rondo is still in his prime, and when healthy is a top 10 player in the NBA. The C's got one of the biggest bargain contracts in the league with what Rondo is currently signed to.

I dunno about top 10 player. If he was a top 10 guy we wouldn't be having this discussion. He's played like a top 10 guy in a few playoff series (with his declining HOF team mates in the latter years) but he certainly can't give you max money level play every night. He might be a top 20 to 25 guy overall but again his regular season play is really just being the assist king/floor general with solid defense that can't shoot.
The only argument which is very valid is that despite not being a 20 million dollar guy for his on court play, his marketing value to the Celtics is priceless and he should probably get some of that as a little bonus on top. So a 14 million deal with another 2-3 million on top for his All Star 'Magic Johnson' power is fair too.

If he could shoot like Steve Nash he'd be arguably one of the greatest players of all time.

if he could shoot like Nash, he would basically be Chris Paul.

Nah, CP3 isn't as 'creative' or 'flashy'.  I also happen to think Rondo just sees the game a little bit different (better) than everyone else.  I wouldn't be surprised if he has a IQ bordering on genius (which also happens to be where many slightly 'off' personalities can be found).

Rondo with Nash's jumper would be all-time great.  CP3 at his best isn't as good as Nash was at his best.

I do believe he had reached about top 10 status prior to his injury.  Will he ever regain his form?  It's yet to be determined.  Obviously any contract offered would be if he gets his game back.

[slamtheking]

it's premature since he won't sign until his deal is ready to expire but if he can return to his pre-injury form, he's probably worth $15 mill per year.  If he improves his shooting to be consistent from at least 18-20 feet and gets to better than 75% on FTs, then he'd probably get max money.