Grantland: Everything You Think You Know About Rondo's Shooting Is Wrong

[LooseCannon]

I wouldn't care if Rondo never shot a 3 again if he could just learn to make 80% from the stripe.

I am convinced that no amount of work that Rondo can pour into the task will every make him that good of a free throw shooter.

I agree. But i think he should pour all of his effort into it over other elements. Get to 65%, 70%, 72%, 73%, whatever. It's makes him too weak in the 4th quarter to carry a team. Get it as respectable as possible.

He shot 64.5% last season.  I'm suggesting that his ceiling might be closer to 65% than 70%.

[BballTim]

Grantland warmed up to stuff we've known for about a year now. Good job.

I still see people on these forums parrot the old "Rondo can't shoot" debate. So … yeah, no need to be so dismissive.

  There were plenty of people here who never updated their opinions of the players from 2009. Last year there were plenty of posts claiming that Rondo's success was mainly due to playing with HOFers.

I think Rondo's a better shooter than he gets credit for, but shooting isn't just about elbow jumpers from 10 feet. He's a terrible 3 point and free throw shooter as far as starting NBA point guards go.

Also, when have we seen him play without HOF help? What evidence proves his doubters wrong regarding the HOF player assistance?

  He's not as bad a 3 point shooter as people think. And it's been a few years since he's played with any HOF level players.

[chambers]

Grantland warmed up to stuff we've known for about a year now. Good job.

I still see people on these forums parrot the old "Rondo can't shoot" debate. So … yeah, no need to be so dismissive.

  There were plenty of people here who never updated their opinions of the players from 2009. Last year there were plenty of posts claiming that Rondo's success was mainly due to playing with HOFers.

I think Rondo's a better shooter than he gets credit for, but shooting isn't just about elbow jumpers from 10 feet. He's a terrible 3 point and free throw shooter as far as starting NBA point guards go.

Also, when have we seen him play without HOF help? What evidence proves his doubters wrong regarding the HOF player assistance?

  He's not as bad a 3 point shooter as people think. And it's been a few years since he's played with any HOF level players.

Pierce, Allen and KG are very good jumpshooters in the NBA. All those pick and pop plays with KG draining 18 feet jump shots and Ray Allen curling off screens and draining 3's in his defenders face aren't made by most NBA power forwards and shooting guards.

Its Avery and Green now with Sully replacing KG as the jump shooting big.
His passes are perfect, but when has he played without these guys attempting the shots?

We don't know if it will effect him but there's a serious possibility it does.
As D.o.s says, tonight is the first case of us seeing this situation for Rondo and it's a test.

[BballTim]

Grantland warmed up to stuff we've known for about a year now. Good job.

I still see people on these forums parrot the old "Rondo can't shoot" debate. So … yeah, no need to be so dismissive.

  There were plenty of people here who never updated their opinions of the players from 2009. Last year there were plenty of posts claiming that Rondo's success was mainly due to playing with HOFers.

I think Rondo's a better shooter than he gets credit for, but shooting isn't just about elbow jumpers from 10 feet. He's a terrible 3 point and free throw shooter as far as starting NBA point guards go.

Also, when have we seen him play without HOF help? What evidence proves his doubters wrong regarding the HOF player assistance?

  He's not as bad a 3 point shooter as people think. And it's been a few years since he's played with any HOF level players.

Pierce, Allen and KG are very good jumpshooters in the NBA. All those pick and pop plays with KG draining 18 feet jump shots and Ray Allen curling off screens and draining 3's in his defenders face aren't made by most NBA power forwards and shooting guards.

Its Avery and Green now with Sully replacing KG as the jump shooting big.
His passes are perfect, but when has he played without these guys attempting the shots?

We don't know if it will effect him but there's a serious possibility it does.
As D.o.s says, tonight is the first case of us seeing this situation for Rondo and it's a test.

  Ray getting bumped out of the lineup (and off the team) came near the beginning of what was probably the most prolific stretch of assists in the last 20 years in the nba. If you're going to try and claim that Ray was the reason for Rondo's assists I'd love to hear your explanation for that.

  And, while KG was nice to have on the 18 footers he wasn't any better than Bass on those shots. You also have to consider that he hasn't had a big who was a strong finisher at the rim in a while aside from Wilcox and Shaq, who (in their time playing with Rondo) are first and second in fg% in franchise history.

[D.o.s.]

Grantland warmed up to stuff we've known for about a year now. Good job.

I still see people on these forums parrot the old "Rondo can't shoot" debate. So … yeah, no need to be so dismissive.

  There were plenty of people here who never updated their opinions of the players from 2009. Last year there were plenty of posts claiming that Rondo's success was mainly due to playing with HOFers.

I think Rondo's a better shooter than he gets credit for, but shooting isn't just about elbow jumpers from 10 feet. He's a terrible 3 point and free throw shooter as far as starting NBA point guards go.

Also, when have we seen him play without HOF help? What evidence proves his doubters wrong regarding the HOF player assistance?

  He's not as bad a 3 point shooter as people think. And it's been a few years since he's played with any HOF level players.

Pierce, Allen and KG are very good jumpshooters in the NBA. All those pick and pop plays with KG draining 18 feet jump shots and Ray Allen curling off screens and draining 3's in his defenders face aren't made by most NBA power forwards and shooting guards.

Its Avery and Green now with Sully replacing KG as the jump shooting big.
His passes are perfect, but when has he played without these guys attempting the shots?

We don't know if it will effect him but there's a serious possibility it does.
As D.o.s says, tonight is the first case of us seeing this situation for Rondo and it's a test.

The test starts tonight, but I'm willing to give Rondo a.... pass (aha. Ahahahaha. Get it? Get it?) on his play until the ASB. Not fair to him to immediately judge him against his best efforts previously.

[BballTim]

Grantland warmed up to stuff we've known for about a year now. Good job.

I still see people on these forums parrot the old "Rondo can't shoot" debate. So … yeah, no need to be so dismissive.

  There were plenty of people here who never updated their opinions of the players from 2009. Last year there were plenty of posts claiming that Rondo's success was mainly due to playing with HOFers.

I think Rondo's a better shooter than he gets credit for, but shooting isn't just about elbow jumpers from 10 feet. He's a terrible 3 point and free throw shooter as far as starting NBA point guards go.

Also, when have we seen him play without HOF help? What evidence proves his doubters wrong regarding the HOF player assistance?

  He's not as bad a 3 point shooter as people think. And it's been a few years since he's played with any HOF level players.

Pierce, Allen and KG are very good jumpshooters in the NBA. All those pick and pop plays with KG draining 18 feet jump shots and Ray Allen curling off screens and draining 3's in his defenders face aren't made by most NBA power forwards and shooting guards.

Its Avery and Green now with Sully replacing KG as the jump shooting big.
His passes are perfect, but when has he played without these guys attempting the shots?

We don't know if it will effect him but there's a serious possibility it does.
As D.o.s says, tonight is the first case of us seeing this situation for Rondo and it's a test.

The test starts tonight, but I'm willing to give Rondo a.... pass (aha. Ahahahaha. Get it? Get it?) on his play until the ASB. Not fair to him to immediately judge him against his best efforts previously.

  That seems overly generous. One normally sees players fully recover from knee injuries much more quickly than that.

[D.o.s.]

Gotta agree to disagree on the particulars of that one, especially when it comes to the mental aspect/hesitations and such.

Not to mention that we don't know how long he'll be playing under a minutes restriction for.

[BballTim]

Gotta agree to disagree on the particulars of that one, especially when it comes to the mental aspect/hesitations and such.

Not to mention that we don't know how long he'll be playing under a minutes restriction for.

   Wait, did you actually think I was serious about recovery times from knee injuries?

[D.o.s.]

Multi-tasking between finishing some work/watching the game on tv/Celtics blog.

TP for that. I'm dumb.