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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Discussion Thread
« Reply #300 on: February 28, 2014, 10:53:16 PM »

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Lakers are facing the Kings without Cousins tonight who's serving his 1 game suspension...If there was ever a chance for the lakers to win a game and fall back to the 5th pick itd be tonight...Lakers schedule is harder than ours...

Re: 2014 NBA Draft Discussion Thread
« Reply #301 on: March 02, 2014, 02:57:50 PM »

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Marcus smart has been playing some dominant basketball since returning from his suspension.

He doesn't shoot well, and often plays out of control, but he "has it". He makes big plays, is super aggressive, and he put on a show against Kansas in the second half of their last game. He keeps looking like dwyane wade, with better playmaking skills, and not quite the same level of scoring ability. I hope his team makes a big run in the tournament.

Can he ever be as good as nba prime wade? I dont know. The odds are against any young player becoming a dominant all nba player. He really needs to keep working on his outside shot. He will never have wade's leaping ability, but he is a physical tank. His defense is already outstanding.

I was souring on him a little, but i still think he is a good pick for a team in that 6-10 range.

Re: 2014 NBA Draft Discussion Thread
« Reply #302 on: March 02, 2014, 03:18:13 PM »

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The Knicks are managing to tank hard without a 1st round pick. This is amazing. Denver might land a top 3 pick out of it if they win the lottery.

I can easily see one of our future Nets picks turning out the same way.

In the meantime, Phili and Orlando each have two lottery picks, AND have a lock on a top 3 lottery status with their records. With the lakers on our backs, it's not going to be easy for us to land a superstar out of this draft.

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« Reply #303 on: March 02, 2014, 08:22:20 PM »

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Marcus smart has been playing some dominant basketball since returning from his suspension.

He doesn't shoot well, and often plays out of control, but he "has it". He makes big plays, is super aggressive, and he put on a show against Kansas in the second half of their last game. He keeps looking like dwyane wade, with better playmaking skills, and not quite the same level of scoring ability. I hope his team makes a big run in the tournament.

Can he ever be as good as nba prime wade? I dont know. The odds are against any young player becoming a dominant all nba player. He really needs to keep working on his outside shot. He will never have wade's leaping ability, but he is a physical tank. His defense is already outstanding.

I was souring on him a little, but i still think he is a good pick for a team in that 6-10 range.

I'm pretty sure Smart will never be good as Wade because Wade's an all-timer.  Smart doesn't have Wade's nuclear athleticism. 

Further, why do think Smart is a better playmaker?  Wade is a fantastic playmaker.  He's averaged 6.0 assists for his career with a career high of 7.5, which he did twice.  Those are incredible numbers for a 2-guard.  Smart's 4.7/4.2 assist averages in his two seasons are nothing to write home about and they're nothing to put above one of the best passing 2 guards of all time. 

If you think Smart has a chance to be Wade, just Wade, not even Wade-lite or a poor man's Wade and you still have him in the 6-10 range, what do you think of the prospects rated above him.  Is Wiggins going to be Lebron?  Who knows?  Embiid going to be Bill Russell.  People weren't kidding in touting this draft I guess.

Re: 2014 NBA Draft Discussion Thread
« Reply #304 on: March 02, 2014, 09:01:51 PM »

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Marcus smart has been playing some dominant basketball since returning from his suspension.

He doesn't shoot well, and often plays out of control, but he "has it". He makes big plays, is super aggressive, and he put on a show against Kansas in the second half of their last game. He keeps looking like dwyane wade, with better playmaking skills, and not quite the same level of scoring ability. I hope his team makes a big run in the tournament.

Can he ever be as good as nba prime wade? I dont know. The odds are against any young player becoming a dominant all nba player. He really needs to keep working on his outside shot. He will never have wade's leaping ability, but he is a physical tank. His defense is already outstanding.

I was souring on him a little, but i still think he is a good pick for a team in that 6-10 range.

Smart will go top 10. And as long as he is not counted to be the primary or even secondary star on your team, he could be a real weapon. Right now too turnover prone, poor shot selection , out of control probably bc he is asked/does too much

Not sure also at the next level which position he can play. He has both pg/sg skills for the good and the bad

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« Reply #305 on: March 02, 2014, 10:11:18 PM »

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Great production from Aaron Gordon and KJ Mcdaniel tonight

Gordon - 8-13fg 19 pts, 15 rebounds, 2 assists
Mcdaniel - 8-19fg 26 pts, 14 rebounds, 3 asssits, 6 block shots (not typo)


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« Reply #306 on: March 02, 2014, 10:54:11 PM »

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Marcus smart has been playing some dominant basketball since returning from his suspension.

He doesn't shoot well, and often plays out of control, but he "has it". He makes big plays, is super aggressive, and he put on a show against Kansas in the second half of their last game. He keeps looking like dwyane wade, with better playmaking skills, and not quite the same level of scoring ability. I hope his team makes a big run in the tournament.

Can he ever be as good as nba prime wade? I dont know. The odds are against any young player becoming a dominant all nba player. He really needs to keep working on his outside shot. He will never have wade's leaping ability, but he is a physical tank. His defense is already outstanding.

I was souring on him a little, but i still think he is a good pick for a team in that 6-10 range.

Smart will go top 10. And as long as he is not counted to be the primary or even secondary star on your team, he could be a real weapon. Right now too turnover prone, poor shot selection , out of control probably bc he is asked/does too much

Not sure also at the next level which position he can play. He has both pg/sg skills for the good and the bad
One thing about Smart, he has the killer instinct, and that cannot be said for other prospects in this draft (Wiggins the most obvious example).
"I'm from the bottom, I understand what it's like to have and to not have. My perception on giving is to put yourself in those people's shoes and go from there. So that's what I did. " - The One and Only KG

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« Reply #307 on: March 02, 2014, 11:11:02 PM »

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Marcus smart has been playing some dominant basketball since returning from his suspension.

He doesn't shoot well, and often plays out of control, but he "has it". He makes big plays, is super aggressive, and he put on a show against Kansas in the second half of their last game. He keeps looking like dwyane wade, with better playmaking skills, and not quite the same level of scoring ability. I hope his team makes a big run in the tournament.

Can he ever be as good as nba prime wade? I dont know. The odds are against any young player becoming a dominant all nba player. He really needs to keep working on his outside shot. He will never have wade's leaping ability, but he is a physical tank. His defense is already outstanding.

Agreed.  He doesn't really fit a typical role in the NBA, but he is going to be a beast.

If LAL falls out of the top 5 picks, I would love to see us explore a Rondo trade with them if Smart is available with their pick.  Something like Rondo to LA for Nash's contract, LAL 2014 1st, 2019 1st(Unprotected), and the option to swap picks in 2016 (or 2018).

Re: 2014 NBA Draft Discussion Thread
« Reply #308 on: March 03, 2014, 12:07:23 PM »

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Marcus smart has been playing some dominant basketball since returning from his suspension.

He doesn't shoot well, and often plays out of control, but he "has it". He makes big plays, is super aggressive, and he put on a show against Kansas in the second half of their last game. He keeps looking like dwyane wade, with better playmaking skills, and not quite the same level of scoring ability. I hope his team makes a big run in the tournament.

Can he ever be as good as nba prime wade? I dont know. The odds are against any young player becoming a dominant all nba player. He really needs to keep working on his outside shot. He will never have wade's leaping ability, but he is a physical tank. His defense is already outstanding.

I was souring on him a little, but i still think he is a good pick for a team in that 6-10 range.

I'm pretty sure Smart will never be good as Wade because Wade's an all-timer.  Smart doesn't have Wade's nuclear athleticism. 

Further, why do think Smart is a better playmaker?  Wade is a fantastic playmaker.  He's averaged 6.0 assists for his career with a career high of 7.5, which he did twice.  Those are incredible numbers for a 2-guard.  Smart's 4.7/4.2 assist averages in his two seasons are nothing to write home about and they're nothing to put above one of the best passing 2 guards of all time. 

If you think Smart has a chance to be Wade, just Wade, not even Wade-lite or a poor man's Wade and you still have him in the 6-10 range, what do you think of the prospects rated above him.  Is Wiggins going to be Lebron?  Who knows?  Embiid going to be Bill Russell.  People weren't kidding in touting this draft I guess.

Yeah, i thought i just wrote that the odds are against Smart becoming as good as Wade.  ???

He doesn't leap like wade, and doesn't score as effectively as wade. Those are two big qualities where Smart is a lesser player than Wade coming out of Marquette.

The similarities are their sizes, in terms of height and strength. They are streaky outside shooters. They are both excellent defenders, and are ready to flop at a moment's notice  :( . They are intense leaders, and aren't afraid to go for it in the big moments.

Why do i think smart is a better playmaker? He looks and plays more like a point guard. Here are their college assist to turn over numbers as well.

Wade ... Freshman 3.4 to 3.0 ..... Sophomore 4.4 to 3.2
Smart ... Freshman 4.2 to  3.4 .... Sophomore 4.7 to 2.7

Passing edge to smart. Smart might also be stronger coming out of college.

I think smart will end up as a different player to wade, since he is below the rim, and will probably play more point guard. Smart certainly isn't going to put up 25 points a night. But he will defend, play hard every night, and still give you some thing like 14 points and 7 or 8 assists. That is worthy of a pick in the 6-10 range.



Re: 2014 NBA Draft Discussion Thread
« Reply #309 on: March 03, 2014, 12:19:02 PM »

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q35do8NdkO0

Mcdaniels has some serious springs.  westbrook, dwade calibre

Hood has a good shooting stroke for a sf

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« Reply #310 on: March 03, 2014, 12:20:51 PM »

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Smart should go by the tenth pick at latest..... after the first 6 .....it here is just no telling  who might be a starter type in a couple years.

the NBA draft is really messed up making the Wests only better ....while leaving horrible east teams with a sinking ship.

It's the NBA who has the lakers picking ahead of a bunch of east team who are much worse . 

Pick should start at the Bottom of the Whole league in record , not by east and west , but from the total.......eventually that way the east would slowly build back up .....the way it is done now makes no sense at all for parity .

If I'm DA......I don't care ...the NBA is screwed up ........I go,a head and hold my players out to get the best pick possible .

I wouldn't advertise it ......I'd be like Philly and Milwaukee and just .....LEAVE the VETs on the bench........




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« Reply #311 on: March 03, 2014, 12:45:43 PM »

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Hairston is going to play himself into the late lottery, if he does well on the one on one interviews...- averaging 22.6 ppg, 4 rpg, 44% and 89% from the line...ideal 2 guard in the NBA...

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« Reply #312 on: March 03, 2014, 01:10:57 PM »

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If you think Smart has a chance to be Wade, just Wade, not even Wade-lite or a poor man's Wade and you still have him in the 6-10 range, what do you think of the prospects rated above him.  Is Wiggins going to be Lebron?  Who knows?  Embiid going to be Bill Russell.  People weren't kidding in touting this draft I guess.

Sure, let's play the projected ceiling game with some of the other prospects. No matter what this is difficult and risky to do with freshmen. Players make so many improvements... Or get stuck in bad habits, as they progress from teenagers to young twenty something pros.

Embiid - i am going to give him a young player ceiling of Demarcus cousins. They both have great 7 foot bodies that look like they were built in a lab for the NBA. Both players showed some sophisticated offense and agility for centers that were so young. I refuse to compare Embiid to Olajuwon until Embiid learns how to be an effective shot blocker, and shot changer. Olajuwon didnt pick up the finesse moves until later in his career. They are very different.

I would take a player like that number one though. I also have hope that cousins will become an all star year after year. He has the talent. I think he just needs a better environment.

Wiggins - if you showed me only footage of Mcgrady right out of high school on the raptors, and footage of wiggins right out of high school on the jayhawks, i would have guessed that wiggins would be the better player in their futures. Both could drift, get lost. Both are supreme athletes. Wiggins already has a great looking outside shot. But does wiggins have the inner fire to become one of the best wings in the nba? I have no idea. I still feel safe projecting him as being similar to Mcgrady in the end,  i would be shocked if he didn't make at least a couple all star games.

Parker - he is kind of like a Carmelo Anthony, in size, rebounding ability, competitiveness, and to some degree scoring. Anthony was a much better scorer coming out of Syracuse though. I dont see the same shooting touch with Parker. Both players dont do much on defense. Parker might not be as good as Anthony. But i expect him to be better than the next tier of small forwards: Leonard, batum and deng.

Exum is a total unknown. People talk about him as a big hybrid guard like penny hardway. Maybe he is more carter-Williams or devin Harris. I haven't seen any of his games, only the highlights.

Julius Randle - he is hard to nail down. But the one skill has has that is elite is rebounding. In the very least i would think he could rebound like Horace grant or Charles Oakley, maybe have some Anthony mason, Antoine Walker sprinkled in, and give you at least some scoring. If he really wants to score 20 a night he will need to work on his right hand and show some outside shooting.

Noah vonleh looks like a poor man's al horford or Chris bosh. The biggest difference i have seen is that he doesn't run the floor like those 2.

Aaron Gordon - the poor mans Kirilenko. He has a ways to go to bring his scoring ability up to andrei's level.

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« Reply #313 on: March 03, 2014, 01:17:15 PM »

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Hairston is going to play himself into the late lottery, if he does well on the one on one interviews...- averaging 22.6 ppg, 4 rpg, 44% and 89% from the line...ideal 2 guard in the NBA...

imo i don't think so. Look at What Glen Rice Jr. did last year in the d league as a rookie and still was drafted in the 2nd round. Not sure even sure where he is today


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« Reply #314 on: March 03, 2014, 01:38:26 PM »

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Hairston is going to play himself into the late lottery, if he does well on the one on one interviews...- averaging 22.6 ppg, 4 rpg, 44% and 89% from the line...ideal 2 guard in the NBA...

imo i don't think so. Look at What Glen Rice Jr. did last year in the d league as a rookie and still was drafted in the 2nd round. Not sure even sure where he is today

last year he did 13ppg and this year 19ppg, I can see what you are saying but Hairston is a better talent than he ever was...