Jeff Green so far this year: Better, worse or what you expected?

[crimson_stallion]

green is exactly where I expected him to be.

also not to hijack this thread but I got to respond to the rondo being a top 20 pg, mediocre pg talk.

why do the fans of this city underrate their own players sooo much?

yeah, I don't expect rondo to be a top 2 PG upon his initial return or hell even the rest of the season. I do however expect him to be playing at a top 5 - 10 level PG by the end of it though.

If Rondo will struggle anywhere I think it will probably be his scoring and defense initially.  If he can continue to put up double figure assist numbers, rebound the ball well and hit the open jumper (as he was doing last year) then he will be a top 5 or so PG.

Guys with high athleticism and low IQ tend to really struggle when returning from injuries - see Derek Rose. 

Guys with low athleticism and high IQ tend to get back in to it pretty quick (see Sully). 

Rondo is probably one of the top 5 players in the league in terms of his BB IQ, but he does still depend on his athleticsm quite a bit.  He could go either way.

[Evantime34]

Honestly, I was hoping that he would be more consistently aggressive on offense. Then again if he took around 15 shots a game he probably averages around 21 points a game which is too much for him. So he probably is about where he should be this year.

[317]

more or less what i expected.

He's an average player. He is what he is at this point. If Ainge can find another home for him, I wouldn't be the least bit disappointed to see him gone.

I think Jeff is doing slightly better than I expected.  Prior to the last 3 games, Jeff put out a pretty consistent scoring stretch which I think is really the issue as to whether he exceeds or meets expectations. 

Either way, I don't consider him average unless a solid defender who can score anywhere on the court and average 16 a game is average for a small forward. It's not star quality, but it's above average -- about what a guy making 8M in this league should be doing.  With another star in the fold, Jeff Green is a valuable player as the 3rd/4th option.  But as you say, if DA can hit a home run with Green as bait, I'm all for it.

thing is hes making $9 million no $8. now i have an agenda because i always thought he got at least $2.5 million per year more then anyone else was going to give him.

[nickagneta]

I am just not getting the whole "Jeff Green is above average defender and almnost elite against elite SFs" argument. I would love to know what his Syngery defensive stats look like.

Jeff's career head to head against Lebron shows Lebron being his usual 28/7/7 while shooting 55% and 44% from 3.

Jeff's career head to head versus Pierce shows Pierce putting up 20/6/5 while shooting 44% and 42% from 3.

Durant in limited games(2) has put up 26/7/3

Against Carmelo for his career its not different. Carmelo is putting up his career numbers versus Jeff and like the others rebounds a little better than normal against Jeff.

Green's defense is not elite versus elite SFs. He simply had a couple games where he held their shooting percentage's a bit lower recently but Jeff is not close to being an elite defender against the very best small forwards

[obnoxiousmime]

I think in the Green/Perkins deal both sides knew the player they were trading had flaws and didn't want to pay them raises when their contracts were up. The result was both teams were ultimately disappointed with what they received. Green never became a reliable scoring option to take the load off the starters (also it's not his fault but he missed a year when the team needed him to take the load off the old guys), and Perkins' lack of athleticism and offensive game have been huge liabilities for the Thunder.

The Celtics did still "win" the trade because Perk is now a bad contract. My point is more that Green didn't really develop into something greater than what he was at the time of the deal.

[slamtheking]

I was hoping for better performance than last year.  I expected him to be just as inconsistent as always.

guess I got what I expected

[SHAQATTACK]

He is exciting to watch,  the shot over Lebron to beat the Heat was just epic Celtics history.   

When , he is on, and feeling it.......he is fun to watch as any player in the NBA today....he is highlite waiting to happen.  Then....next game he disappears  ,  seems disconnected .

I like him as a player and person.    He just is a nice guy.......not a jerk off like some stars

He is about what I expected , but less than I hoped

Still the issue as it had been since KG got hurt,  Perk traded and Shaq hurt ......is not Greens fault or our new coach....the problem remains signing a elite or high quality 7 foot center to control the paint.

Getting a center is Danny's biggest challenge .

[CelticG1]

I am just not getting the whole "Jeff Green is above average defender and almnost elite against elite SFs" argument. I would love to know what his Syngery defensive stats look like.

Jeff's career head to head against Lebron shows Lebron being his usual 28/7/7 while shooting 55% and 44% from 3.

Jeff's career head to head versus Pierce shows Pierce putting up 20/6/5 while shooting 44% and 42% from 3.

Durant in limited games(2) has put up 26/7/3

Against Carmelo for his career its not different. Carmelo is putting up his career numbers versus Jeff and like the others rebounds a little better than normal against Jeff.

Green's defense is not elite versus elite SFs. He simply had a couple games where he held their shooting percentage's a bit lower recently but Jeff is not close to being an elite defender against the very best small forwards

What are LeBrons stats against Paul george? II'm guessing decent

[wdleehi]

He is what I expect.  I am happy with his level of play.


I did warn poster not to expect 20 points a game, fringe all-star.  It was an unfair expectation on Green.  It is not the player he is. 

[Neurotic Guy]

more or less what i expected.

He's an average player. He is what he is at this point. If Ainge can find another home for him, I wouldn't be the least bit disappointed to see him gone.

I think Jeff is doing slightly better than I expected.  Prior to the last 3 games, Jeff put out a pretty consistent scoring stretch which I think is really the issue as to whether he exceeds or meets expectations. 

Either way, I don't consider him average unless a solid defender who can score anywhere on the court and average 16 a game is average for a small forward. It's not star quality, but it's above average -- about what a guy making 8M in this league should be doing.  With another star in the fold, Jeff Green is a valuable player as the 3rd/4th option.  But as you say, if DA can hit a home run with Green as bait, I'm all for it.

thing is hes making $9 million no $8. now i have an agenda because i always thought he got at least $2.5 million per year more then anyone else was going to give him.

I'll split hairs with you -- it's 8.7M.  Even at 9M I'd say the salary is about right.  Maybe no one would have paid him what we paid, but I doubt there wouldn't have been a buyer starting at 7-8 per (but who knows?).  Worth it for Danny to keep him.   

[chambers]

For me he's been a bitter disappointment. Given his minutes and lack of competition on the roster-his biggest challenger is Gerald Wallace.
Just doesn't have the 'go and get it' spark that's needed to be a leader.

I believe he needs some kind of amphetamine or stimulant medication to get him going- problem is they can't mess with his heart too much.
Even some aderol or ritalin would do him a world of good.
His problem is psychological and he needs the appropriate medication to spark his motivation more.
I expected Green to be slightly better per 36 than he was, so getting 18-20 ppg and 6 or 7 boards with 3 or 4 assists wasn't a long shot.
He was going well but he's dropped off the face of the earth in the last 10 games.

Sullinger has provided the offense that I thought Green would provide and far exceeded my expectations as a sophomore coming off back surgery.
Greens trade value has plummeted too and I'm sure Danny was hoping to showcase him as a 20 ppg guy before draft night.

He's basically the role player that he was when pierce was here-except he doesn't have Pierce taking the attention off him.
He'd be perfect next to Lebron, Melo or Paul George and being their lackey.

[aporel#18]

So far, he's been good. I was hoping for a better physical display and leadership on the offensive side, but he's playing well enough, on par with last season's second half.

He's looked better on defense, has had trouble against SGs and fast SFs, but he's done a good job.

He's no LeBron, Durant, George, Melo... but he can hold his own against them quite well. Now we just need another 4 players who can stay with the best on their position and we'll be set. Rondo does very well against elite PG, we have an advantage there. And Sully can be an elite PF.

A little lottery luck, and a couple trades, and we can have a complete two-way team. Enjoy the trip.

[obnoxiousmime]

more or less what i expected.

He's an average player. He is what he is at this point. If Ainge can find another home for him, I wouldn't be the least bit disappointed to see him gone.

I think Jeff is doing slightly better than I expected.  Prior to the last 3 games, Jeff put out a pretty consistent scoring stretch which I think is really the issue as to whether he exceeds or meets expectations. 

Either way, I don't consider him average unless a solid defender who can score anywhere on the court and average 16 a game is average for a small forward. It's not star quality, but it's above average -- about what a guy making 8M in this league should be doing.  With another star in the fold, Jeff Green is a valuable player as the 3rd/4th option.  But as you say, if DA can hit a home run with Green as bait, I'm all for it.

thing is hes making $9 million no $8. now i have an agenda because i always thought he got at least $2.5 million per year more then anyone else was going to give him.

I'll split hairs with you -- it's 8.7M.  Even at 9M I'd say the salary is about right.  Maybe no one would have paid him what we paid, but I doubt there wouldn't have been a buyer starting at 7-8 per (but who knows?).  Worth it for Danny to keep him.

They kind of had to keep him or all they would have received from the trade is 26 games.

I think the Celts miscalculated a little bit. The deal would have been a good Rondo-esque bargain if Green had become a 20 pt. guy on a bad team. They thought Green would have commanded a richer deal if the heart problem uncertainty hadn't been hanging over him, so armed with their doctor's assurance Green was 100% they decided to lock him up.

Instead he's been inconsistent and proven he's closer to being a 3rd/4th option than a 1st/2nd. The fact that the fourth year is a player option leads me to believe Green and his agent also thought he might be able to outplay his contract but wanted security in case another health problem derailed his career.

In conclusion, not a bad deal but also not the steal the Celtics were banking on. Just right except the fourth year was one year too long, in my opinion. I guess we'll know for sure when Green makes a decision on that option.

[RockinRyA]

green is exactly where I expected him to be.

also not to hijack this thread but I got to respond to the rondo being a top 20 pg, mediocre pg talk.

why do the fans of this city underrate their own players sooo much?

yeah, I don't expect rondo to be a top 2 PG upon his initial return or hell even the rest of the season. I do however expect him to be playing at a top 5 - 10 level PG by the end of it though.

It seems youre new to this site, but we do have a little of both. posters overrating or underrating their own players/team. With practice you'll know which of these posters are and take what they mean with a grain of salt. If you see someone who tries to get a rise out of you by selling your favorite player short, do not give him the satisfaction and just ignore the post 

There will always be rational, open minded posters though, and you can find plenty of those here and have good discussions with them.

[BringToughnessBack]

Less than I had hoped for and expected. I feel his numbers are lower than target 20 pts per game due to surprise Celtics stepping up on the scoring end(Crawford, Bradley, Sully). I think we are a Crawford trade away from Green being closer to 18 per and another trade from him arriving at 20. I think a True PG will help add a few to his game as well.