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Re: Theory of DA's drafting strategy in the 2013 Draft preparing for 2014 Draft
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2013, 03:42:59 PM »

Offline Monkhouse

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I like the casual "finished project" conclusion you jump to in your post.  Just starting his rookie year, yeah he will definitely get no better than this.

Olynk has been okay so far, I was hoping for slightly more but hes only a rookie. What happens in this next draft is very important for the future of our team though.

If we stand pat with or picks, I'm afraid this team is going to be caught in the middle for two years running, which isn't going to help anyone. Danny's going to have to make some serious moves and get this team some talent.

Make a trade to win now or package assets and move up in the draft, I think its clear he has to do something.

I'd rather not wait through two mediocre seasons for him to do it.


This is the problem with the NewBA (and the world for that matter), people just don't have patience anymore. It's like ANY team can pull a Celts and Mia and win in a season or two after forming. It's actually hard to win a chip, if you didn't know. If people expect a rookie (a big a that) to already be a finished product I don't know what to tell you! KO isn't who he is yet, he recently became a big, sure you can dominate other kids who aren't who they will grow to be but it's another story facing grown men who have learned the game! Let Doo and them get a hold of KO during the off-season and see what he does next season. Even Sully admits that his play right now is all natural ability because he has yet to have a chance to work on his game during off-season (I can't wait! He's already a MONSTA).

This is the right attitude to have.  People love to forget that a lot of players weren't that good their rookie year (especially at the start).

Olynyk is absolutely not a stiff.  He has a good sense of the game.  As I've said before I think he's one of the best big man passers in the league already.  I'm hoping he just looks for his shots more (he has been passive).

This.

I would say Greg Monroe, or Marc Gasol are the best passing big men. But... at this point you can't give up on KO just yet.

Not everyone can be like Anthony Davis, and dominate college and the NBA.
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Re: Theory of DA's drafting strategy in the 2013 Draft preparing for 2014 Draft
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2013, 04:38:08 PM »

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Olynk has been okay so far, I was hoping for slightly more but hes only a rookie. What happens in this next draft is very important for the future of our team though.

If we stand pat with or picks, I'm afraid this team is going to be caught in the middle for two years running, which isn't going to help anyone. Danny's going to have to make some serious moves and get this team some talent.

Make a trade to win now or package assets and move up in the draft, I think its clear he has to do something.

I'd rather not wait through two mediocre seasons for him to do it.


This is the problem with the NewBA (and the world for that matter), people just don't have patience anymore. It's like ANY team can pull a Celts and Mia and win in a season or two after forming. It's actually hard to win a chip, if you didn't know. If people expect a rookie (a big a that) to already be a finished product I don't know what to tell you! KO isn't who he is yet, he recently became a big, sure you can dominate other kids who aren't who they will grow to be but it's another story facing grown men who have learned the game! Let Doo and them get a hold of KO during the off-season and see what he does next season. Even Sully admits that his play right now is all natural ability because he has yet to have a chance to work on his game during off-season (I can't wait! He's already a MONSTA).

I never expected Olynk to be Tim Duncan his rookie year but at the same time he hasn't been impressive, but like I said hes a rookie.

Also if you read what I said it has nothing to do with "patience" it has everything to do with a team treading water with no direction. The team doesn't really have a plan currently as far as I can see.

Am I willing to wait? Obviously, I doubt anyone on a Celtics forum is going to bolt on a team if they are bad for any amount of time.

All I said was I want my favorite team to pick a direction. If management feels they can win now, which the players obviously believe they do then fine, make some moves to win now with all of our mid value future assets.

If they don't believe they can win now then I'd like them to make a move to get something of real value, we have many mid round picks and decent veterans that benefit a team that is in a win now mode, but nothing that will bring in real talent unfortunately. I'd like DA to package his picks with some combination of JG or AB to try and move up in the draft.

I don't think being concerned that the team lacks direction and that they will stay in the middle for two years and then make a decision relates to patience, just common sense.
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Re: Theory of DA's drafting strategy in the 2013 Draft preparing for 2014 Draft
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2013, 04:44:27 PM »

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Guys are not finished products at age 22. How many NBA players had their best seasons at 22 years old?

It is tempting to give more credit to college players than they deserve. They still are, for the most part, not that good. They are also playing against other college players who are also not that good compared to NBA players.

No GM meta-drafts to the degree the OP suggests. They try to acquire assets that fit their system or the future they envision. If Ainge really was concerned with 2014 when drafting in 2013, he drafts a project player who will take longer to develop but who looks to have a higher upside. He drafted Olynyk because he liked Olynyk's game.

Re: Theory of DA's drafting strategy in the 2013 Draft preparing for 2014 Draft
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2013, 05:05:35 PM »

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The Celtics picked a direction when they traded with NJ - rebuild with multiple draft picks.  They are right where Danny expected them to be at 12-17.  The challenge is that most years they would be in play for a top 5 pick, but this year a number of GMs had similar plans.  I'm sure Danny wishes he could trade a package of players for top flight talent, and has tried to do so in order to get Omer Asik.  The trouble is the rest of the GMs in the NBA are not Celtic fans!  So there is nothing to do but to wait patiently as the season develops. 

Re: Theory of DA's drafting strategy in the 2013 Draft preparing for 2014 Draft
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2013, 07:57:57 PM »

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Wait, wait, wait... 6 months after one of the boldest trades in NBA history, one where we traded 3 35yr old guys for 4 unprotected picks and you aren't sure what the plan is?!?!?

There's only so many earth shattering, foundation rocking moves you can make.