C's future should be win now

[RJ87]

I think we're closer to being competitive than to being bad enough to get a top 5 pick. It's unfortunate that Danillo Gallinari got injured at the end of last season because we'll never know how far that Denver team could've went without a bonafide superstar. Because while I think a superstar is the most surefire way to contention, it's not the only way - especially with Brad Stevens at the helm.

And I don't believe that we can't attract quality free agents. If we ever have a situation where there's quality talent and youth on this roster while we also have cap room, we'll be in the mix. The whole "players want to be in big markets" thing is overblown. If that was all players really wanted, Lebron would likely be a Knick and Dwight would still be a Laker.

[jc3celticsphan]

We are going to become an attractive destination for FAs that want to win.

Yeah, because making the playoffs as a middle of the road team has really made the Denver Nuggets a hot free agent destination.

but rondo will
and that is dannys plan he has the pieces to go after someone that can make this team legit

and what if we got bosh for crawford plus lee and bass

and then made a trade for melo if the clippers dont give up blake

rondo
bradley
melo
bosh
faverani/olynyk

You're dreaming if you think we have enough assets to get Melo. You're likely having another dream if you think the two time champion heat are going to give up bosh for a 1st, lee and bass. They just won two titles with that group.

Rondo is nice but Boston has been and never will be a prime free agent destination, I really wish people would put this thought to bed. The players hate the city, it gets very cold and stays that way for months, it also has very little to do that NBA players consider fun.

we never been a free agent destination because we sucked for 20 years. players travel constantly durring the season and they have money how are they ever bored or not having fun?

if melo was trying to recruit rondo he obviously would love to play with him

thats why i cant wait for rondo to comeback and lead this team to the playoffs because this team fights every night and they will attract free agents if we compete with the top teams this year

[oldtype]

Melo's not realistic because the Knicks are run by a group of delusional maniacs and they'd probably rather see him leave at the end of season for nothing than trade him for anything that approximates his true value at the moment.

They tried to give up ANOTHER first round pick for Kyle Lowry to get better this year. Tells you all you need to know about the direction of that franchise.

[Jailan34]

We are going to become an attractive destination for FAs that want to win.

Yeah, because making the playoffs as a middle of the road team has really made the Denver Nuggets a hot free agent destination.

but rondo will
and that is dannys plan he has the pieces to go after someone that can make this team legit

and what if we got bosh for crawford plus lee and bass

and then made a trade for melo if the clippers dont give up blake

rondo
bradley
melo
bosh
faverani/olynyk

You're dreaming if you think we have enough assets to get Melo. You're likely having another dream if you think the two time champion heat are going to give up bosh for a 1st, lee and bass. They just won two titles with that group.

Rondo is nice but Boston has been and never will be a prime free agent destination, I really wish people would put this thought to bed. The players hate the city, it gets very cold and stays that way for months, it also has very little to do that NBA players consider fun.

we never been a free agent destination because we sucked for 20 years. players travel constantly durring the season and they have money how are they ever bored or not having fun?

if melo was trying to recruit rondo he obviously would love to play with him

thats why i cant wait for rondo to comeback and lead this team to the playoffs because this team fights every night and they will attract free agents if we compete with the top teams this year

But we're not competing with the top teams, we don't even have a winning record currently. I can't tell you your opinion is wrong that we're guaranteed to sign a big time free agent if we try our best every night, I can just disagree because that's not how the NBA works.

Stars want to play with stars, we have the best pass first point guard in the league, but this doesn't make a prime free agent destination. I just can't bring myself to rely on something happening that's never happened before, sorry.

[obnoxiousmime]

While Boston the city is never going to be a hot destination for free agents, I don't think it'd be impossible to attract a marquee guy because stars will go anywhere (within reason) where there are other stars. The problem is the talent in Boston isn't good enough to attract anybody right now. Rondo is the closest thing we have to a star but he's obviously not in that top echelon.

When Ainge acquired the Wallace deal it was clear this was going to be a two year rebuild at least. That's why the Celtics should just continue to build assets for the time being. Getting some lottery picks is part of that strategy.

Even if we somehow got a disgruntled "star" like melo to Boston, that's not enough to be a contender. You'd need another third star who can score, especially since Rondo will never average over 15 ppg. You'd also still need a big man who can play defense. The Celtics don't have enough assets right now to acquire so many pieces, nor will they have the cap space to sign somebody the old fashioned way.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Until I see the Celtics over 500, I will think making the playoffs is not in the Celtics best interest.




Don't tank.


But making the playoffs just because the rest of the teams around you can't win is not the way to build towards the future.  It's a trap of being mediocre. 




I believe that Ainge, given time, can rebuild the Celtics into a true contender.  I don't want to see his ability to be hampered because of other teams ineffectiveness.

good points

[LooseCannon]

Until I see the Celtics over 500, I will think making the playoffs is not in the Celtics best interest.

The Celtics are over .500 since Stevens stopped making the mistake of starting Avery Bradley at point guard.  Doesn't that give you permission to feel some degree of optimism?

[rutzan]

Yeah I thought the same thing as I wrote it but late night on phone, reading lots of posts so I kind of went off with my opinion

P.s. I got warned/blocked for criticizing ppls thoughts on Jeff green and here someone is criticizing me personally.. Funny how that world lol

hey dude...you'll have to get used to it...most people on celticsblog are self-annointed and self-appointed critics in one area or another...it just goes with the territory here on celtic blog...somebody will make a remark about my post...it's just a matter of time...it's called righteous indignation...lol...

[wdleehi]

Until I see the Celtics over 500, I will think making the playoffs is not in the Celtics best interest.

The Celtics are over .500 since Stevens stopped making the mistake of starting Avery Bradley at point guard.  Doesn't that give you permissdion to feel some degree of optimism?

Just like a bad run for a good team doesn't worry me, a good run by a bad team doesn't excite me.  Especially when so many of the teams around them are stinking up the joint to a historical bad for a conference.

[PhoSita]

Until I see the Celtics over 500, I will think making the playoffs is not in the Celtics best interest.

The Celtics are over .500 since Stevens stopped making the mistake of starting Avery Bradley at point guard.  Doesn't that give you permissdion to feel some degree of optimism?

Just like a bad run for a good team doesn't worry me, a good run by a bad team doesn't excite me.  Especially when so many of the teams around them are stinking up the joint to a historical bad for a conference.

Yup.  A good GM should be just like Stevens is as a coach -- focus on the process, not the short term results.  Trust your assessment of things enough to not be swayed by small samples.  I believe that Danny Ainge is such a GM, and that commitment to the process is part of why he wanted to hire Stevens.

[Clench123]

I know nobody on CB wants Carmelo

Not me. I'm on board with any trade that will involve Carmelo Anthony landing here without giving up Rondo.

He is on of the best scorers in the game, and IMO despite what people think, is a good teammate.

My only concern is will he stay for good. If we are to trade for him, we need assurance that he would at least give us three years.

Not me either.  I want Melo

[Moranis]

Boston is 3 games under .500 25 games into the season.  How that makes people think we should be in win now mode is beyond me.  I mean that is a 36 win team.  Just because the East is very weak as a whole right now doesn't mean a 36 win team should be going for it.

That said, if the right trade(s) come along then sure make it, no matter what the result i.e. getting better or getting worse.  That is what 36 win teams should do, but I am not about getting only slightly better at the expense of assets nor trading pieces for the sake of trading and getting crap back. 

[mr. dee]

While Boston the city is never going to be a hot destination for free agents, I don't think it'd be impossible to attract a marquee guy because stars will go anywhere (within reason) where there are other stars. The problem is the talent in Boston isn't good enough to attract anybody right now. Rondo is the closest thing we have to a star but he's obviously not in that top echelon.

When Ainge acquired the Wallace deal it was clear this was going to be a two year rebuild at least. That's why the Celtics should just continue to build assets for the time being. Getting some lottery picks is part of that strategy.

Even if we somehow got a disgruntled "star" like melo to Boston, that's not enough to be a contender. You'd need another third star who can score, especially since Rondo will never average over 15 ppg. You'd also still need a big man who can play defense. The Celtics don't have enough assets right now to acquire so many pieces, nor will they have the cap space to sign somebody the old fashioned way.

Rondo averaged 17 ppg in the 2012 playoffs.

[PhoSita]

While Boston the city is never going to be a hot destination for free agents, I don't think it'd be impossible to attract a marquee guy because stars will go anywhere (within reason) where there are other stars. The problem is the talent in Boston isn't good enough to attract anybody right now. Rondo is the closest thing we have to a star but he's obviously not in that top echelon.

When Ainge acquired the Wallace deal it was clear this was going to be a two year rebuild at least. That's why the Celtics should just continue to build assets for the time being. Getting some lottery picks is part of that strategy.

Even if we somehow got a disgruntled "star" like melo to Boston, that's not enough to be a contender. You'd need another third star who can score, especially since Rondo will never average over 15 ppg. You'd also still need a big man who can play defense. The Celtics don't have enough assets right now to acquire so many pieces, nor will they have the cap space to sign somebody the old fashioned way.

Rondo averaged 17 ppg in the 2012 playoffs.

So?

Pretty sure he was talking about the regular season.

[BballTim]

While Boston the city is never going to be a hot destination for free agents, I don't think it'd be impossible to attract a marquee guy because stars will go anywhere (within reason) where there are other stars. The problem is the talent in Boston isn't good enough to attract anybody right now. Rondo is the closest thing we have to a star but he's obviously not in that top echelon.

When Ainge acquired the Wallace deal it was clear this was going to be a two year rebuild at least. That's why the Celtics should just continue to build assets for the time being. Getting some lottery picks is part of that strategy.

Even if we somehow got a disgruntled "star" like melo to Boston, that's not enough to be a contender. You'd need another third star who can score, especially since Rondo will never average over 15 ppg. You'd also still need a big man who can play defense. The Celtics don't have enough assets right now to acquire so many pieces, nor will they have the cap space to sign somebody the old fashioned way.

Rondo averaged 17 ppg in the 2012 playoffs.

So?

Pretty sure he was talking about the regular season.

  It's probably a little early to make that pronouncement, especially with PP and KG no longer on the team.