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Will Carmelo re-sign with the Knicks?
« on: November 20, 2013, 12:50:21 PM »

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With the new luxury tax restrictions, its almost impossible for any team to realistically give a player 25-27 million and try to contend. As the possibility of gaining more marquee or free agents that can possibly make a difference seems limited.

If Melo opts out of his contract next year, and re-signs with the Knicks. He could possibly be getting paid for a five year deal of 125-129 million. That is a lot of money. Considering the fact Amare would be crazy not to renew his player option, then the Knicks will have about 3-4 million cushion next year.

The kick? Melo will be 30 next year. Imagine getting paying a player over 30 million for a player that will soon be 35, and isn't known for stellar defense, or the ability to play a great role in ball movement.

Bottom line? Melo ruins and doesn't create great chemistry. He may be one of the best players in the league, but he demands the ball too frequently, and doesn't take smart shots. If you guys can barely contend for a championship while Melo is still in his prime, what makes you possibly think he can later on when his prime diminishes?

Yes he is a star, and in a star proven league, where having 1-2 superstars is a requirement in order to contend. The Knicks don't have anyone else except JR Smith, Chandler who is already declining, and Shumpert who is your only actual trade piece, albeit slightly lower than ever due to the shady injury history.

I remember when Melo and Lebron were competing in high school. These two were going to be the next superstars of the NBA, and they are. I just find it crazy that Melo had a better team with the Nuggets, and Lebron didn't have anyone substantial. And yet Lebron led his team to 19 playoff appearances or has 19 playoff appearances in his career, and Melo only has 3.

The idea to build around Melo should've been a good defensive PF, and a pass first PG like Rondo. Unfortunately, with no draft picks and no relatively open cap space it'll be hard to see Melo thinking about the future of the Knicks as something he'd like to do. He said himself he wants to win.

But who would be surprised to see him opting out and possibly finding another place to call home?

At this point if there is any inkling of him possibly wanting a trade, or opting out for FA. Then if I was James Dolan, I'd trade him for a boatload of future draft picks and young prospects along with decent vets who can fill up the cap space.
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Re: Will Carmelo re-sign with the Knicks?
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2013, 12:54:50 PM »

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Honestly, I think this is one of the biggest story lines of the 2013-2014 season.

Carmelo has already said he will opt out and many assume he'll just re-up with the club. However, when he's a free agent and his best teammates in New York are an aging Tyson Chandler and JR Smith, I think he's going to be looking around.

I may be in the minority on this one, but I'm extremely intrigued by a pairing of Rondo-Carmelo. Rondo has the ring and the cache to not take Carmelo's crap and get the ball out of his hands.

If Carmelo can learn to play off the ball a bit, Rondo would just continually feed him points all night and make scoring incredibly easy for him.
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Re: Will Carmelo re-sign with the Knicks?
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2013, 01:00:11 PM »

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Quote from: BleedGreen1989 on November 20, 2013, 12:54:50 PM
Honestly, I think this is one of the biggest story lines of the 2013-2014 season.

Carmelo has already said he will opt out and many assume he'll just re-up with the club. However, when he's a free agent and his best teammates in New York are an aging Tyson Chandler and JR Smith, I think he's going to be looking around.

I may be in the minority on this one, but I'm extremely intrigued by a pairing of Rondo-Carmelo. Rondo has the ring and the cache to not take Carmelo's crap and get the ball out of his hands.

I agree. Carmelo may want the money, but he also wants to win... I guarantee hes looking at other options. Plus he may be pulling a sneak attack by saying, "I want to retire here." But... he may be looking at other options, and watch every one be surprised that Carmelo didn't want to stay in NY, where there is literally no draft picks or enough cap space to fuel a run for the ring.

I also find it ironic half of us at Cblog are so quick to want to trade Rondo.

Despite the fact Kobe, Carmelo, Harden/Daryl Morey, and Pistons have exclusively wanted him on the team...

To me, that alone speaks volumes. If Carmelo sees fit, and doesn't mind taking a pay cut. Then I'm pretty sure we can do a sign and trade for Green, maybe next years 1st round pick, and Humphries/Bass/Lee for Melo and someone else later on in the season. 

Then draft possibly Exum/Wiggins/Parker and slot them at SG.
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Re: Will Carmelo re-sign with the Knicks?
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2013, 01:00:15 PM »

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Is there any better options than the Knicks out there for Carmelo?

I find it hard to see him leaving NYC unless there is a home-run type situation for him elsewhere.
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2013, 01:06:51 PM »

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Quote from: Who on November 20, 2013, 01:00:15 PM
Is there any better options than the Knicks out there for Carmelo?

I find it hard to see him leaving NYC unless there is a home-run type situation for him elsewhere.

Well if he doesn't mind wasting his prime years playing in the purgatory, then I don't see why not.

If I'm the Knicks I'd blow it up, trade him for a boatload of draft picks, young talent, and possibly seasoned vets who can at least excite the fans for a little bit while they rebuild.
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Re: Will Carmelo re-sign with the Knicks?
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2013, 01:07:55 PM »

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Quote from: Who on November 20, 2013, 01:00:15 PM
Is there any better options than the Knicks out there for Carmelo?

I find it hard to see him leaving NYC unless there is a home-run type situation for him elsewhere.

A better place to market his "brand"? No, New York is probably the place.

The real question is if Carmelo truly wants to win. Nobody knows that answer except him and if he does, I cant envision any possible way the Knicks improve the roster right now.
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2013, 01:09:14 PM »

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I could see him going to the Lakers. I hope he does, so that team can stay average for the next 6 years.
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2013, 01:09:41 PM »

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Lebron and Carmelo could both go to Cleveland!  It wouldn't matter who else was on the team.

Realistically though, Carmelo likely stays in NYC.
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2013, 01:13:50 PM »

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Quote from: Who on November 20, 2013, 01:00:15 PM
Is there any better options than the Knicks out there for Carmelo?

I find it hard to see him leaving NYC unless there is a home-run type situation for him elsewhere.
LA could if he didn't mind dealing with Kobe and they sell on building there. Its a similar pitch to what the Knicks will be selling.

Cleveland? Not sure that makes any sense but I'm sure they'll give his agent a call.
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2013, 01:21:21 PM »

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Quote from: Who on November 20, 2013, 01:00:15 PM
Is there any better options than the Knicks out there for Carmelo?

Would it be a better option for him if the Celtics traded two firsts for a team with cap space to take Wallace, another first to dump Lee, and another fourth to dump Bass to create enough space under the cap to sign Carmelo Anthony to a max contract?  (Obviously, if Ainge was willing to do that, it would be better to convince the Knicks to accept a sign-and-trade so Boston wouldn't have to renounce any free agents or the trade exception from the Nets trade.)

I'm not convinced that Melo is a good fit for the the team that Brad Stevens wants to build, though.
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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2013, 01:30:10 PM »

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Quote from: Monkhouse on November 20, 2013, 12:50:21 PM
I remember when Melo and Lebron were competing in high school. These two were going to be the next superstars of the NBA, and they are. I just find it crazy that Melo had a better team with the Nuggets, and Lebron didn't have anyone substantial. And yet Lebron led his team to 19 playoff appearances or has 19 playoff appearances in his career, and Melo only has 3.

Uh, what? 'Melo's never missed the playoffs.

And I've said this before, but I suspect that Carmelo would rather retire as a Knick than win a ring elsewhere.
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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2013, 01:38:06 PM »

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I think Carmelo Anthony needs a title contender to leave New York. Not someone with an outside shot but one of the frontrunners. A top three type of team. Top five at worst.

I don't think he leaves NY just to play on a 48-54 win team. I think it has to be more than that. He has done that. Just repeating the past isn't enough. It needs to be more. He needs to be able to smell the Championship. Feel it in every fiber of his bones.

I don't think teams like Cleveland offer that. I think it will be a 50 win type team that when you add Carmelo to it they become a 57-65 win team and bonafide title contender. Sort of like the Warriors last year only with Melo instead of Iggy. That playoff run Golden State had was so important for their reputation and ability to attract a free agent like Igoudala. Proving to outside players that they are close to competing for a Championship and if they can add one more big piece that could put them over the top. Melo will need to see something similar. 

I think the only chance a non-playoff team has is if they can attract multiple high quality stars like Miami did in 2010 when they got Wade to re-sign and acquired Bosh + LeBron. Melo is only third of that piece. A non-playoff team would need to find the other 2/3rds elsewhere to convince Melo they can truly win if he joins them.

Also old warriors like Kobe (LAL) and Dirk (DAL) will be discounted for expected decline both immediate and year on year + consequent short title window.
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2013, 01:46:34 PM »

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Quote from: LooseCannon on November 20, 2013, 01:21:21 PM
Quote from: Who on November 20, 2013, 01:00:15 PM
Is there any better options than the Knicks out there for Carmelo?

Would it be a better option for him if the Celtics traded two firsts for a team with cap space to take Wallace, another first to dump Lee, and another fourth to dump Bass to create enough space under the cap to sign Carmelo Anthony to a max contract?  (Obviously, if Ainge was willing to do that, it would be better to convince the Knicks to accept a sign-and-trade so Boston wouldn't have to renounce any free agents or the trade exception from the Nets trade.)

I'm not convinced that Melo is a good fit for the the team that Brad Stevens wants to build, though.

No, the hole in the middle is too big, I reckon.

I think the C's would need to bring in a high quality (top 10) center first in order to tempt Carmelo. Something like he has had with Tyson Chandler in NYC.

A Tyson + Rondo + Carmelo would be tempting especially if Jeff Green is still there and some quality role players (Bradley, Sullinger). But it needs that one big piece extra, one more big piece, to make it interesting enough. A dominant big man. To be a contender.

PG: Rajon Rondo
SG: Avery Bradley
SF: Jeff Green
PF: Carmelo Anthony, Sullinger
 C: Tyson Chandler
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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2013, 02:18:58 PM »

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Quote from: D.o.s. on November 20, 2013, 01:30:10 PM
Quote from: Monkhouse on November 20, 2013, 12:50:21 PM
I remember when Melo and Lebron were competing in high school. These two were going to be the next superstars of the NBA, and they are. I just find it crazy that Melo had a better team with the Nuggets, and Lebron didn't have anyone substantial. And yet Lebron led his team to 19 playoff appearances or has 19 playoff appearances in his career, and Melo only has 3.

Uh, what? 'Melo's never missed the playoffs.

And I've said this before, but I suspect that Carmelo would rather retire as a Knick than win a ring elsewhere.

Typo meant to write 9.

Quote from: Who on November 20, 2013, 01:38:06 PM
I think Carmelo Anthony needs a title contender to leave New York. Not someone with an outside shot but one of the frontrunners. A top three type of team. Top five at worst.

I don't think he leaves NY just to play on a 48-54 win team. I think it has to be more than that. He has done that. Just repeating the past isn't enough. It needs to be more. He needs to be able to smell the Championship. Feel it in every fiber of his bones.

I don't think teams like Cleveland offer that. I think it will be a 50 win type team that when you add Carmelo to it they become a 57-65 win team and bonafide title contender. Sort of like the Warriors last year only with Melo instead of Iggy. That playoff run Golden State had was so important for their reputation and ability to attract a free agent like Igoudala. Proving to outside players that they are close to competing for a Championship and if they can add one more big piece that could put them over the top. Melo will need to see something similar. 

I think the only chance a non-playoff team has is if they can attract multiple high quality stars like Miami did in 2010 when they got Wade to re-sign and acquired Bosh + LeBron. Melo is only third of that piece. A non-playoff team would need to find the other 2/3rds elsewhere to convince Melo they can truly win if he joins them.

Also old warriors like Kobe (LAL) and Dirk (DAL) will be discounted for expected decline both immediate and year on year + consequent short title window.

Also agree.

Melo isn't going to leave until he can find himself in a secure position to succeed. And if I was in his shoes, neither would I.

I think the Lakers don't have enough pieces to be formidable. They may be able to sign 1-2 good free agents, but other than that how would Kobe and Melo mesh is the greater question.
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Quote from: Monkhouse on November 20, 2013, 02:18:58 PM
Quote from: D.o.s. on November 20, 2013, 01:30:10 PM
Quote from: Monkhouse on November 20, 2013, 12:50:21 PM
I remember when Melo and Lebron were competing in high school. These two were going to be the next superstars of the NBA, and they are. I just find it crazy that Melo had a better team with the Nuggets, and Lebron didn't have anyone substantial. And yet Lebron led his team to 19 playoff appearances or has 19 playoff appearances in his career, and Melo only has 3.

Uh, what? 'Melo's never missed the playoffs.

And I've said this before, but I suspect that Carmelo would rather retire as a Knick than win a ring elsewhere.

Typo meant to write 9.


So you're talking about getting out of the first round?
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