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Marshon > Green...
« on: October 18, 2013, 05:54:51 AM »

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so far in preseason...

Jeff Green in 6 games
MPG: 24
PPG 9.3 RPG:1.6 APG 2.1 TOPG:2
FG: 33% 3P:25.9% FT:100%

Marshon Brooks in 5 games
MPG: 10
PPG: 7.6  RPG:1.2 APG:1.6 TOPG:1.4
FG: 59.1% 3P:%60% FT:90%

Brooks is putting up comparable points, rebounds, assists despite averaging a little less than half the minutes. He's been better in every category except turnovers and freethrow percentage(although Brooks shot 3 more). The defense has been bad, but offensively he's killing it. Am I the only one who sees more potential in Brooks than Green? I think there's more potential in trying to teach Brooks to defend than in waiting on Green to tap into his "potential" and gain consistency.


InB4 it's only preseason.

Re: Marshon > Green...
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2013, 07:07:48 AM »

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brooks is the opposite version of bradly
he has a very good hand on shots vs bradly (stong feet but weak hands)

green has no "potential"
he just has up and down body conditions game by game

Re: Marshon > Green...
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2013, 07:12:03 AM »

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wow
brooks might put up some nice offensive stats but i see babb as a better player, he is to me the most disappointing player
sort of gerald green 2013 version, nice offense at times, bone head plays, horrible HORRIBLE defense, poor to no passing, doesn't understand spacing or ball movement

fair to knock green on his preseason but to consider brooks better  :-\

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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2013, 07:17:00 AM »

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brooks might put up some nice offensive stats but i see babb as a better player, he is to me the most disappointing player
sort of gerald green 2013 version, nice offense at times, bone head plays, horrible HORRIBLE defense, poor to no passing, doesn't understand spacing or ball movement

fair to knock green on his preseason but to consider brooks better  :-\

Yea I think Brooks will be out of the league soon, no idea how to play team ball.

Re: Marshon > Green...
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2013, 08:00:40 AM »

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Why wouldn't I consider Brooks preseason better? Despite the defense he's killing it shooting the ball. 60% from the field and 3 point land while shooting 90% from the line. All while rebounding and assisting at nearly if not double Green's rate.

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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2013, 08:31:41 AM »

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The only way you could think Brooks is "killing it" is if you're watching the stat sheets instead of the games. He's looked horrible, and one game with unconscious shooting doesn't really change that fact.

Green has started slow, but the body of work is there.
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2013, 08:37:11 AM »

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The only way you could think Brooks is "killing it" is if you're watching the stat sheets instead of the games. He's looked horrible, and one game with unconscious shooting doesn't really change that fact.

Green has started slow, but the body of work is there.

I think it's too early to tell what to make of Brooks at this point. He is definitely a player that I want to see get a ton of playing time to see what he can do. He certainly at the very least is a chip that we should see if we can develop..

The problem for Stevens is that we have like 6 SGs on the roster. He's gonna have a challenge figuring out his rotations.

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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2013, 08:41:08 AM »

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The only way you could think Brooks is "killing it" is if you're watching the stat sheets instead of the games. He's looked horrible, and one game with unconscious shooting doesn't really change that fact.

Green has started slow, but the body of work is there.
Yeah Brooks hasn't looked good at all, a lot of selfish possessions and silly turnovers. Still has no concept of how to play team basketball.

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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2013, 08:47:00 AM »

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The only way you could think Brooks is "killing it" is if you're watching the stat sheets instead of the games. He's looked horrible, and one game with unconscious shooting doesn't really change that fact.

Green has started slow, but the body of work is there.

I admit I have been watching the stat sheets more so than the games. However, the little I've seen of Brooks on the offensive side he's looked good. The numbers suggests he's been productive with his time on the court, at least offensively. He definitely needs to tone it down with the 1 on 1 play, but from what I've seen the kid can score and cause some problems for a defense.

Re: Marshon > Green...
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2013, 08:47:54 AM »

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The only way you could think Brooks is "killing it" is if you're watching the stat sheets instead of the games. He's looked horrible, and one game with unconscious shooting doesn't really change that fact.

Green has started slow, but the body of work is there.
Yeah Brooks hasn't looked good at all, a lot of selfish possessions and silly turnovers. Still has no concept of how to play team basketball.

hmm... I see.

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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2013, 08:48:22 AM »

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The only way you could think Brooks is "killing it" is if you're watching the stat sheets instead of the games. He's looked horrible, and one game with unconscious shooting doesn't really change that fact.

Green has started slow, but the body of work is there.
Yeah Brooks hasn't looked good at all, a lot of selfish possessions and silly turnovers. Still has no concept of how to play team basketball.
He's been lost off the ball, and has made poor decisions with the ball, but we already knew that.

What was striking is how poor his body language has been, especially last game. He constantly looks disinterested and/or dejected.
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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2013, 08:59:29 AM »

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This is actually a pleasant surprise. Even after factoring in the 1 TO per 10 minutes (he had 4 last game) the line looks very impressive - in terms of efficiency and in terms of the sheer number of points in the minutes played.

I'd have thought Brooks was putting up numbers like he did last year (40% FG). Saw everything that the Nets writers were warning us about. Is a very talented scorer but isn't as efficient as he could be, stops the ball, doesn't do much except score.

It's not like the last game really inflated the numbers either. Last game he put up exactly 60%.

Stevens really seems to have J-Craw on a leash. Perhaps he's been managing Brooks the same way.

By the way, J-Craw is shooting slightly above 50%, if my tallies are correct, even after the recent 2 games where he shot a lot and was a bit inefficient.

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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2013, 10:07:18 AM »

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You mean Marshon Brooks is a quality offensive player.  Who could have predicted that?  I mean aside from everybody.

Brooks can light it up and does frequently enough that he will be in the league awhile.  But he isn't consistent in his shooting and he does virtually nothing else.  He is the type of player that a great team would love to have as a bench option because when he is on he can get you back into a game or extend a lead with the best of them and when he isn't, you just go with someone else.  He is a slightly less consistent version of Eddie House and there is value in that, but that is all he will ever be.

Green for all his flaws and his lack of consistency can just do more and thus has a lot more value than a guy like Brooks.  I've never thought you could rely on Green to be a first or second option on a contender, but he could be a pretty solid starter/6th man on a contender, which gives him a lot more value.  Aside from his inconsistency (which is a huge problem), Green's other major problem is that he just does nothing better than above average.  he is an ok shooter, he is an ok ball handler, he is an above average defender, but a below average rebounder and passer.  Just a good solid player, but not a star. 
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Re: Marshon > Green...
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2013, 10:07:51 AM »

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funny thing on brooks, i was hoping he'd be the starting sg with his size, athletic ability and scoring
as good as his shot can be i don't see him as a nba player unless his game improves quite a bit
bb iq is definitely not there, i almost get the feeling other guys don't like playing with him because of no ball movement and putting up shots

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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2013, 10:33:17 AM »

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The only way you could think Brooks is "killing it" is if you're watching the stat sheets instead of the games. He's looked horrible, and one game with unconscious shooting doesn't really change that fact.

Green has started slow, but the body of work is there.
Yeah Brooks hasn't looked good at all, a lot of selfish possessions and silly turnovers. Still has no concept of how to play team basketball.
He's been lost off the ball, and has made poor decisions with the ball, but we already knew that.

What was striking is how poor his body language has been, especially last game. He constantly looks disinterested and/or dejected.
agree - I was high on him during that draft (PC bias coming through somewhat) but he's not looking like he'll have a career after that rookie deal is completed.