But if you had Drummond...would you trade him for Rondo?

[hwangjini_1]

  I think it is very hard to gauge Rondos value especially when you consider what the Lakers gave the Suns for the corpse of Steve Nash.  Nash was at least 5 years past his prime while Rondo should be entering his prime. Provided Rondo is healthy his value should exceed what the Suns got for Nash by quite a bit IMHO.

and for those of you keeping score at home, for the right to pay steve nash's corpse $27,000,000 over 3 years, the lakers gave up four draft picks -- first rounders in 2013 and 2015 and second rounders in 2013 and 2014.

what is a healthy rondo worth in such a universe?

[kozlodoev]

  I think it is very hard to gauge Rondos value especially when you consider what the Lakers gave the Suns for the corpse of Steve Nash.  Nash was at least 5 years past his prime while Rondo should be entering his prime. Provided Rondo is healthy his value should exceed what the Suns got for Nash by quite a bit IMHO.

and for those of you keeping score at home, for the right to pay steve nash's corpse $27,000,000 over 3 years, the lakers gave up four draft picks -- first rounders in 2013 and 2015 and second rounders in 2013 and 2014.

what is a healthy rondo worth in such a universe?

For a team that was anticipating being in contention for the length of Nash's contract, those picks are not worth as much as you think they were.

[Vermont Green]

  I think it is very hard to gauge Rondos value especially when you consider what the Lakers gave the Suns for the corpse of Steve Nash.  Nash was at least 5 years past his prime while Rondo should be entering his prime. Provided Rondo is healthy his value should exceed what the Suns got for Nash by quite a bit IMHO.

and for those of you keeping score at home, for the right to pay steve nash's corpse $27,000,000 over 3 years, the lakers gave up four draft picks -- first rounders in 2013 and 2015 and second rounders in 2013 and 2014.

what is a healthy rondo worth in such a universe?

No one is suggesting that Rondo is not a valuable trade asset.  The point is that Drummund is also valuable, probably more valuable.

I don't think the Celtics would or should trade Rondo to Phoenix for those 4 picks.  We don't need more pick anyway.  I don't think Detroit would trade Drummund for those 4 picks either (unless you believe that LAL is going to be a lottery dweller for a few years).

My opinion on the hypothetical question of this thread; I think it would be a win for the Celtics if they could get Drummund for Rondo as part of a deal.  That doesn't mean that it would be a loss for Detroit though.  It seems like it could be a good deal for them too.

I still think Rondo to Houston makes the most sense.  That would be a good young big three.

[aporel#18]

If I was Dumars, I'd try to get Rondo giving as little as I can, but I'd offer Monroe+Knight+picks to have the chance of pairing Rondo and Drummond, which could be great for a team. Rondo/Smith/Drummond would be terrible at the FT line, but probably very good in transition and D. They'd need great shooters at the 2 and 3 to make up for their trio's lack of shooting.

I wouldn't give Drumond, though. But Detroit are the ones trying to get Rondo, so if I am Danny, no Drummond+Knight+pick, no deal.

[sofutomygaha]

If they want a young, fast, pouty, pg that can't shoot (you have to admit Rondo has earned that reputation, fairly or not, to at least some degree) you can always get Jennings for less money, and he isn't coming off an ACL.

It remains to be seen, but I think you are wrong about this. I think Jennings is looking for a contract similar to Rondo's. After Monta Ellis just signed for $9m a year, it's not crazy to think he might still get it.

I think it's interesting that Knight is also a pretty bad shooter but a really nice slasher and quick mover with good defensive potential. That skillset is kind of like a young Rondo, except without the passing...

Who wants a Rondo that can't pass? Interesting, but not so useful. Like a Steph Curry who can't shoot or a Shaq who is only 6'9".

[Fafnir]

  I think it is very hard to gauge Rondos value especially when you consider what the Lakers gave the Suns for the corpse of Steve Nash.  Nash was at least 5 years past his prime while Rondo should be entering his prime. Provided Rondo is healthy his value should exceed what the Suns got for Nash by quite a bit IMHO.

and for those of you keeping score at home, for the right to pay steve nash's corpse $27,000,000 over 3 years, the lakers gave up four draft picks -- first rounders in 2013 and 2015 and second rounders in 2013 and 2014.

what is a healthy rondo worth in such a universe?

For a team that was anticipating being in contention for the length of Nash's contract, those picks are not worth as much as you think they were.

+1

Which is probably the same sort of picks we'd get from a team acquiring Rondo.

[Vox_Populi]

Depends on the team situation.

[moiso]

Given Rondos injury and Drummonds age/potential, no I probably wouldn't.

Rondo's injury isn't even a factor to me.  But I think Drummond will be special.

[Future Celtics Owner]

If your detroit and have a real special player in Josh Smith, that says win now. Drummond is completely unproven on the offensive end and has the lowest ft percentage of any jr high girls basketball team. But he does of proven potential. Also, have they even officially named him starting center? In summer league that was mentioned

I would use his potential in a trade to get better in the back court. Rondo is a perfect fit.

[cltc5]

I think Rondo is overated for this team.  I just looked at a list of top 5 point guards in the league..D Williams, D Rose, westbrook, Irving, etc etc.  And the thing that sticks out is that neither of those guys have won a championship.  We do not, nor does any team need their point guard to be an allstar in order to make them contenders.  I'd say it's more important that the other 4 players are really good and you have a serviceable pg that can do 3 main things:  1)dictate the offense.  2)Get passes to the scorers.  3)  Generate a littel offense from time to time.

Let's look at the Heat or the mavericks, or even the 2008 Celtics.  None of those teams were contingent on all star point guard play, just someone that was able to do the 3 aforementioned things.  the problem with the Boston fanbase and Rondo in general is that their's a perception that he has to be our offense.  He should not be in that role to begin with.  sure we could have used him in the playoffs to dictate the flow of the game, but we dont need him to be our offense.  That's the problem is that we put everything on one guy.  Dont recall one guy ever winning a championship by himself.
  IMO I think Brad stevens has a system that will compliment spreading the wealth and team ball moreso than always defering to one player, and I'll say this if Rondo is moved, Phil Presseey WILL be our starting PG moving forward.  He does all the things he needs to do as a pg and does it within the flw of the team mindset.

For this I say whatever we can get to help build this TEAM in the way of a trade for Rondo, I jump on it. If we can get a up and coming big, lets do it.  PG are a dime a dozen, although not Rondo's but again, I dont think he's a necessity for this team moving forward if we can get more complimentary peieces.

[Eja117]

The Celts also have to consider if in a few years Drum is going to want a max contract? Because if so I'm done with the Drummond thing

Why wouldn't you give him a max contract?

The only guys that deserve them are the ones that are the best player at their position. Bron doesn't have one. Rondo didn't get close to one. KG didn't demand one. It was big, but not max.  Max contracts kill teams.

[SHAQATTACK]

me , I wouldn't trade rondo for Drummond.  Point guard like Rondos skill is none replaceable .  Drummond is not equal o Rondos skill ,   there are lots of bigs good as Drummond .

Rondo is worth  a STAR. trade,  not a maybe he'll be great , he may never be great.

Detroit should offer Drummond on the other hand, because they aren't going to compete without a top level point guard to taker them there

Clippers have good bigs , but suck awful when CP3 is not there starting point man.   Detroit will be the same. without Rondo,  an d Josh Smith knows it.

I would keep Rondo,  but Detroit needs to beg for the trade or go no where ,  suck in the 5 th though 8 seed forever like Atlanta.with Smith.

[chambers]

The Celts also have to consider if in a few years Drum is going to want a max contract? Because if so I'm done with the Drummond thing

If he reaches 50% of his potential he'll get a max contract.
He's a monster.

[Moranis]

me , I wouldn't trade rondo for Drummond.  Point guard like Rondos skill is none replaceable .  Drummond is not equal o Rondos skill ,   there are lots of bigs good as Drummond .

Rondo is worth  a STAR. trade,  not a maybe he'll be great , he may never be great.

Detroit should offer Drummond on the other hand, because they aren't going to compete without a top level point guard to taker them there

Clippers have good bigs , but suck awful when CP3 is not there starting point man.   Detroit will be the same. without Rondo,  an d Josh Smith knows it.

I would keep Rondo,  but Detroit needs to beg for the trade or go no where ,  suck in the 5 th though 8 seed forever like Atlanta.with Smith.

Top level PG's are worthless to winning titles.  Since Isiah and Magic there has been exactly 1 PG that has won a title in a year he was also an all star.  That guy was Tony Parker in championship #4 for the Spurs.  And it isn't like you need even good PG's (but not quite all star level), sure there are some of those, but mostly not so much.  In fact this is the full list of starting PG's on title teams since Isiah's Pistons team.  Mario Chalmers x2, Jason Kidd (at the tail end), Derek Fisher x5, Rajon Rondo (at the very beginning), Tony Parker x3 (very beginning for the first one), Jason Williams, Chauncey Billups, Avery Johnson, Ron Harper x3, Kenny Smith x2, BJ Armstrong, John Paxson x2.

Basically in NBA history only the 80's saw PG's win titles as their teams best player (or even second best player) with any sort of regularity.  Now maybe we are going into a period of re-birth for PG's and the mid-10's starts a new PG dominated league, but until these PG's start winning titles, I am going to go with history and say your PG is pretty meaningless in the scheme of winning a title.

[RyNye]

For what it's worth, advanced stat geeks (like David Berri over at the Wages of Wins) like Rondo over Drummond.