Help: Rajon Rono's jumper stat question

[syfy9]

Can someone find me a ranking of the best shooters from 16-feet to 3 point line (or whatever qualifies as a mid-range jump shot) for the 2012-2013 season?

I know Rondo's percentage was superb, but how superb? How does he stack among everyone else?

[lightspeed5]

rondo was like top 2 shooter from one of the mid corners

[drax]

http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%&type=pg&posi=G&yr=2013&gp2=20&mins=30

If you double click on the %FG (each kategory) you'll get the order of all guards with 20+ games with 30+ minutes per game.

For guards with 30+ minutes and more then 20 games last season he is 4th from 16-23 feet with 48 %FG on 3.6 attempts per game. Just CP3 and Nash have better percentages from that distance then Rondo, Jack shot the same percentages and attempts per game then Rondo did. 

[D.o.s.]

http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%&type=pg&posi=G&yr=2013&gp2=20&mins=30

If you double click on the %FG (each kategory) you'll get the order of all guards with 20+ games with 30+ minutes per game.

For guards with 30+ minutes and more then 20 games last season he is 4th from 16-23 feet with 48 %FG on 3.6 attempts per game. Just CP3 and Nash have better percentages from that distance then Rondo, Jack shot the same percentages and attempts per game then Rondo did.

He played in 38 games, though adjusting to more than 30 games instead of 20 doesn't change the standings at all.

Interestingly, 38% of his shots from mid range were assisted, compared to Nash, CP3, and Jarrett Jack's 19%, 19% and 22%.

One could surmise then that those shots weren't created off the dribble, and that they may have been relatively uncontested, given the league's general defensive scheme of making the offense settle for mid-range jumpers.

[Celtics18]

http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%&type=pg&posi=G&yr=2013&gp2=20&mins=30

If you double click on the %FG (each kategory) you'll get the order of all guards with 20+ games with 30+ minutes per game.

For guards with 30+ minutes and more then 20 games last season he is 4th from 16-23 feet with 48 %FG on 3.6 attempts per game. Just CP3 and Nash have better percentages from that distance then Rondo, Jack shot the same percentages and attempts per game then Rondo did.

He played in 38 games, though adjusting to more than 30 games instead of 20 doesn't change the standings at all.

Interestingly, 38% of his shots from mid range were assisted, compared to Nash, CP3, and Jarrett Jack's 19%, 19% and 22%.

One could surmise then that those shots weren't created off the dribble, and that they may have been relatively uncontested, given the league's general defensive scheme of making the offense settle for mid-range jumpers.

Sure, you could probably surmise that 38% of them weren't created off the dribble.  62% of them were.  I've always thought that "has good shot selection" or "takes good shots" were compliments for a player. 

Somehow, the fact that Rondo doesn't like to take bad shots is a negative?

[LooseCannon]

Easy to do with basketball-reference.com.

Here's a list of players shooting at least 48% on two-point shots 16 feet or longer with at least 25 attempts.  Here's the list if you lower the thresholddown to 45%.

Rondo was 4th out of 175 players who took at least 80 such shots.

[LooseCannon]

http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%&type=pg&posi=G&yr=2013&gp2=20&mins=30

If you double click on the %FG (each kategory) you'll get the order of all guards with 20+ games with 30+ minutes per game.

For guards with 30+ minutes and more then 20 games last season he is 4th from 16-23 feet with 48 %FG on 3.6 attempts per game. Just CP3 and Nash have better percentages from that distance then Rondo, Jack shot the same percentages and attempts per game then Rondo did.

He played in 38 games, though adjusting to more than 30 games instead of 20 doesn't change the standings at all.

Interestingly, 38% of his shots from mid range were assisted, compared to Nash, CP3, and Jarrett Jack's 19%, 19% and 22%.

One could surmise then that those shots weren't created off the dribble, and that they may have been relatively uncontested, given the league's general defensive scheme of making the offense settle for mid-range jumpers.

If you look at the percentage of midrange jumpers by other point guards that were assisted
Jeremy Lin 44.1%
Jose Calderon 38.7%
Goran Dragic 37.9%
Mike Conley 36.2%
Jerryd Bayless 34.1%
Raymond Felton 32.5%
Greivis Vasquez 31.7%
Kyrie Irving 29.3%
Damian Lillard 22.8%
Brandon Jennings 18.4%
Russell Westbrook 6.8%

The guys with reputations as chuckers tend to be the ones with lower assisted percentages.  One could surmise that Rondo probably takes fewer shots than he should.

[BballTim]

http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%&type=pg&posi=G&yr=2013&gp2=20&mins=30

If you double click on the %FG (each kategory) you'll get the order of all guards with 20+ games with 30+ minutes per game.

For guards with 30+ minutes and more then 20 games last season he is 4th from 16-23 feet with 48 %FG on 3.6 attempts per game. Just CP3 and Nash have better percentages from that distance then Rondo, Jack shot the same percentages and attempts per game then Rondo did.

He played in 38 games, though adjusting to more than 30 games instead of 20 doesn't change the standings at all.

Interestingly, 38% of his shots from mid range were assisted, compared to Nash, CP3, and Jarrett Jack's 19%, 19% and 22%.

One could surmise then that those shots weren't created off the dribble, and that they may have been relatively uncontested, given the league's general defensive scheme of making the offense settle for mid-range jumpers.

If you look at the percentage of midrange jumpers by other point guards that were assisted
Jeremy Lin 44.1%
Jose Calderon 38.7%
Goran Dragic 37.9%
Mike Conley 36.2%
Jerryd Bayless 34.1%
Raymond Felton 32.5%
Greivis Vasquez 31.7%
Kyrie Irving 29.3%
Damian Lillard 22.8%
Brandon Jennings 18.4%
Russell Westbrook 6.8%

The guys with reputations as chuckers tend to be the ones with lower assisted percentages.  One could surmise that Rondo probably takes fewer shots than he should.

  He shouldn't really take more (at least many more) of those shots because the other things that he does (passing or getting to the rim) are both more efficient ways for the Celts to score than those jumpers.

[clover]

Rondo's passing up shots for the assist stat has been well noted.  But it should also be noted that he's been left wide open far more than the other top PGs.  Also, it has been my observation that he actually shoots better when he doesn't have that much time to think about it (such as with FTs).

So the idea jumper situation for him may be to be left wide open, because the defense is busy guarding the greater offensive threats--and then be tossed the ball in the last seconds of the shot clock, so he just has to shoot.

And no, I have no stats at all to back up my conjecture built on conjecture.

Also, to be fair to him, 1) he has improved his jumper in recent years, and 2) he's always been good at delivering a high personal FG%, which is good for the team.

[syfy9]

Thanks guys!

http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=%25&yr=2013&gp2=20&mins=30

Hoops data was really nice.

I found out that among the entire league, he was tied for 5th best FG% for 16-23 feet. Awesome stuff.

[hwangjini_1]

Rondo's passing up shots for the assist stat has been well noted.  But it should also be noted that he's been left wide open far more than the other top PGs.  Also, it has been my observation that he actually shoots better when he doesn't have that much time to think about it (such as with FTs).

So the idea jumper situation for him may be to be left wide open, because the defense is busy guarding the greater offensive threats--and then be tossed the ball in the last seconds of the shot clock, so he just has to shoot.

And no, I have no stats at all to back up my conjecture built on conjecture.

Also, to be fair to him, 1) he has improved his jumper in recent years, and 2) he's always been good at delivering a high personal FG%, which is good for the team.

good thread and good points above. this has brought out some very interests stats of rondo's shooting. he has gotten much better over time.

but back to clover's point on rondo having uncontested shots because the defense either "dares"him, or lays off him.

this coming year will be interesting in this area. if rondo is expected to take up some of the scoring burden left by pierce/KG then he will also quickly have to face defenses who focus on him more. they no longer have to worry about pierce/KG, so instead they defend rondo more intently.

that is, his jumpers will contested more and more by defenses. he will not be left alone to take jump shots, but be forced to dribble the ball and create his own jump shot.

can he do this effectively? i dont know, but we are about to find out i think.

[BballTim]

Rondo's passing up shots for the assist stat has been well noted.  But it should also be noted that he's been left wide open far more than the other top PGs.  Also, it has been my observation that he actually shoots better when he doesn't have that much time to think about it (such as with FTs).

So the idea jumper situation for him may be to be left wide open, because the defense is busy guarding the greater offensive threats--and then be tossed the ball in the last seconds of the shot clock, so he just has to shoot.

And no, I have no stats at all to back up my conjecture built on conjecture.

Also, to be fair to him, 1) he has improved his jumper in recent years, and 2) he's always been good at delivering a high personal FG%, which is good for the team.

good thread and good points above. this has brought out some very interests stats of rondo's shooting. he has gotten much better over time.

but back to clover's point on rondo having uncontested shots because the defense either "dares"him, or lays off him.

this coming year will be interesting in this area. if rondo is expected to take up some of the scoring burden left by pierce/KG then he will also quickly have to face defenses who focus on him more. they no longer have to worry about pierce/KG, so instead they defend rondo more intently.

that is, his jumpers will contested more and more by defenses. he will not be left alone to take jump shots, but be forced to dribble the ball and create his own jump shot.

can he do this effectively? i dont know, but we are about to find out i think.

  Even with Rondo hitting close to half of his jumpers, it's a less efficient way to score than getting to the hole or passing the ball. Both of those will be easier for him if he's guarded more tightly on the perimeter.

[Fafnir]

The stat which we don't have, but NBA teams do is FG% for unguarded shots.

That would be very interesting given how teams often play off Rondo to concede the jumper. I recall analyst quotes about how elite shooters having great years will have eFG of 70% or something stupid on open 3s vaguely.

[BballTim]

The stat which we don't have, but NBA teams do is FG% for unguarded shots.

That would be very interesting given how teams often play off Rondo to concede the jumper. I recall analyst quotes about how elite shooters having great years will have eFG of 70% or something stupid on open 3s vaguely.

  I think I read that, for a given range, the overall fg% for unguarded jumpers was less than 10% higher than guarded jumpers. By 10% I mean raw percentages, like if the average fg% for guarded jumpers from a given range was 40% the unguarded average would be 48% or so.

[drax]

I don't get the contested or non-contested discussion with Rondo. Does anyone care about open jump shots for the typical 3&D guy? I don't think so. If these guys hit a high rate it's more often then not a result of good ball movement and they get high praise for the good shooting. If they shot poorly they most of the time are just off that day and get less criticism because they are viewed as shooters with an off night.

Rondo maybe knows exactly what to do with his jumpshot. If an opposing guard defends him thight, he'll can get more often to the rim due the great ballhandling and speed. If the defense is loose he'll take the good looks from distance.

I'll give you my personal opinion on Rondo's shooting. He needs to work on free throws and only free throws. I could care less if he can hit jumpshots or has a good range. If Rondo can become a 80% free throw shooter he is more dangerous on offense then ever. Attacking and creat and-one situations could easily improve his scoring numbers by 3 to 5 points per game. Also he's way more useful during the final minutes of a game because he's no foul target anymore.