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Re: NBA is now a TANKfest
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2013, 02:29:42 AM »

Offline KG Living Legend

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 Alright then list who you believe is definitely tanking.

Re: NBA is now a TANKfest
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2013, 03:02:31 AM »

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I don't understand what everyone is complaining about. Tanking by no means equates to instant success. It's not as simple as "worst is best". The worst team only has a 25% chance at the best pick. Furthermore, there's so many factors surrounding the draft. Scouting the right players, having that right player develop the right way, and more. For every Oklahoma City, there's also a Charlotte, Minnesota, Sacramento, Washington... The list can keep on going.

indeed.  You cant just build a team around 31 draft picks.  Eventually you gotta have players that can gel and play together and that may mean adding vets.

Yes, to eventually have solid players you can build around is the goal isn't it? But why can't you build through the draft? It takes some luck and a lot of scouting, true, but what doesn't? Trades and Free Agent signings also need some luck, timing and scouting. Point is, there's no one surefire way to build a contender (because if there was, all the teams would be doing that), but the lottery is definitely one of the ways. Trading those picks is another way. Signing a big free agent is another. But a surefire way to NOT build a contender is by remaining middle of the road and having no assets (e.g. picks, expiring contracts, salary cap flexibility) to trade or significantly get better.

I guess it's impatience kicking in with many, but rebuilding is a process. If you get lucky, you don't have to rebuild as much. For example, if the Spurs didn't get Ginobili and Parker with those late picks in the draft, i am sure Duncan wouldn't be having the success he enjoys now. and if you're going to rely on late-round picks to be a franchise player, then isn't that a riskier strategy than relying on early picks to be a franchise player? Besides, we weren't dismantling a near-contender coming off a monster 50-60 win game season nor a team coming off a close, heartbreaking 2nd-rd or conference finals exit. We lost to the barely-a-contender knicks in the first round. And even at full strength, we were still hovering around just the .500 mark.

i don't understand why many people treat our current situation as if we're never going to have players in here eventually, or we're going to keep trading away all our good players for draft picks and every year we'll just keep getting more and more draft picks while trading away any good players we drafted for more draft picks and be happy losing year-on-year while giving out max contracts to the Gerald Wallaces and Kris Humphries of this world so that we can keep getting good draft position.

What team is Rondo on again? How about Jeff Green? Exactly, we still have good players who are terrific building blocks. Adding solid draft picks (especially from a deep draft) helps set this team up for the future.
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Re: NBA is now a TANKfest
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2013, 04:07:52 AM »

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Who actually appears to be tanking so far, though?  I only really see us and Philly (EDIT: maybe Utah, too) who appear to be deliberately taking major steps back. 

There are some teams like the Lakers that people are speculating might tank but haven't actually done anything along those lines yet, and some teams that will probably suck naturally, like the Kings, Suns, and Magic, but the vast majority seem to be at least trying to improve.  I think this is one of those cases where the narrative is driving the perception.

I dont think Utah are taking a backyards step. I think it has always been the plan to havea  favours Kanter front court. Favours Kanter Burke and Haywood is alright moving forward. I rate Haywoood a ton, reckon the kid can ball.

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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2013, 03:55:41 AM »

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The worst team does get rewarded in this system, it is "better" to have the worst record than the 14th worst, but it also allows for manipulation as the team with very small chance may get it (with help). And it will be very hard to prove since there was actually a chance. Both the lottery system with the worst having more "chances" or an outright "worst is best" encourage the voluntary losing behavior, which is the ultimate lack of ethical sportive spirit. Can you imagine paying a ticket to see your loved team when they are playing to lose? Paying TV cable to watch games that are rigged? What about dignity of the fans? Or the ethic and psychological impact that has on such players.

(The best picks don't always turn to be the best players, but that is another issue.)
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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2013, 04:33:58 AM »

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Your choices are having draft order depend on wins and losses (and the lottery method decreases the value of losing), having draft order depend on something other than wins and losses (a truly random lottery?), or not having a draft (all rookies are free agents).
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Re: NBA is now a TANKfest
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2013, 02:22:49 PM »

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Or perhaps weighting odds in a lottery on the picks a team ended up with over the past x years.
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Re: NBA is now a TANKfest
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2013, 02:46:48 PM »

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one poster just posted the players expected to be in the 2014 and 2015 draft classes, and it is easy to see why some teams are going in TANK mode.

I fully expect the Lakers to TANK.

Jim Buss seems like an owner that will approve a TANK for the kind of elite players in the next two drafts.

Re: NBA is now a TANKfest
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2013, 03:44:46 PM »

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we need to rebuild mostly from draft an d thn add a couple serious free agents to make a run fora banner,

restocking the team with mediocre sub star players is going to make the C's a contender

Re: NBA is now a TANKfest
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2013, 03:46:25 PM »

Offline Ogaju

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we need to rebuild mostly from draft an d thn add a couple serious free agents to make a run fora banner,

restocking the team with mediocre sub star players is going to make the C's a contender

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