Author Topic: Jackie Mac on WEEI  (Read 4738 times)

0 Members and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.

Jackie Mac on WEEI
« on: June 28, 2013, 10:31:52 AM »

Offline rondohondo

  • NCE
  • Danny Ainge
  • **********
  • Posts: 10764
  • Tommy Points: 1196
She's on now if you wanna hear.

Re: Jackie Mac on WEEI
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2013, 10:33:44 AM »

Offline rondohondo

  • NCE
  • Danny Ainge
  • **********
  • Posts: 10764
  • Tommy Points: 1196
saying that c's might waive Wallace , and use the stretch provision. Just her guess at this point

Re: Jackie Mac on WEEI
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2013, 10:42:08 AM »

Offline Snakehead

  • Paul Silas
  • ******
  • Posts: 6846
  • Tommy Points: 448
saying that c's might waive Wallace , and use the stretch provision. Just her guess at this point

I would love more info on what the "stretch provision" means.
"I really don't want people to understand me." - Jordan Crawford

Re: Jackie Mac on WEEI
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2013, 10:45:44 AM »

Offline Fafnir

  • Bill Russell
  • ******************************
  • Posts: 30863
  • Tommy Points: 1330
saying that c's might waive Wallace , and use the stretch provision. Just her guess at this point

I would love more info on what the "stretch provision" means.
You take the number of years left on the contract and double it and add one.

Then you spread the total value of the contract over that many years.

So instead of 30 million over 3 years, it'd be 30 million over 7 years. So a cap hit of 4.285 per year for the next 7 years.

Re: Jackie Mac on WEEI
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2013, 10:46:15 AM »

Offline rondohondo

  • NCE
  • Danny Ainge
  • **********
  • Posts: 10764
  • Tommy Points: 1196
saying that c's might waive Wallace , and use the stretch provision. Just her guess at this point

I would love more info on what the "stretch provision" means.

you still have to pay the whole salary, but it is stretched out over more years at a cheaper salary towards the salary cap. She said if you waived him it would be like 4 mil a year against the cap, not sure over how many years?

Re: Jackie Mac on WEEI
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2013, 10:47:04 AM »

Offline Snakehead

  • Paul Silas
  • ******
  • Posts: 6846
  • Tommy Points: 448
saying that c's might waive Wallace , and use the stretch provision. Just her guess at this point

I would love more info on what the "stretch provision" means.
You take the number of years left on the contract and double it and add one.

Then you spread the total value of the contract over that many years.

So instead of 30 million over 3 years, it'd be 30 million over 7 years. So a cap hit of 4.285 per year for the next 7 years.

hmmm.... is that better?  I'm not sure.  Wallace's contract could have value too in two years time.
"I really don't want people to understand me." - Jordan Crawford

Re: Jackie Mac on WEEI
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2013, 10:48:47 AM »

Offline dannyandkg

  • Neemias Queta
  • Posts: 13
  • Tommy Points: 1
saying that c's might waive Wallace , and use the stretch provision. Just her guess at this point

I would love more info on what the "stretch provision" means.

Courtesy of an article by Kurt Helin:

"We kind of refer to this as the Eddy Curry Rule.

In the NBA labor deal is what is called the “stretch provision,” which will help teams get rid of underperforming players on big deals. It can only be used on new contracts but here is how it works: If you want to get rid of a player you can buy him out then stretch out his contract on your books for double the length of the deal plus one year. For example, if a player is owed $20 million over two seasons and he gets waived, the team can stretch him out so his deal so on the official salary cap ledger he only costs them $4 million a season for five seasons."

Re: Jackie Mac on WEEI
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2013, 10:49:11 AM »

Offline Roy H.

  • Forums Manager
  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 63137
  • Tommy Points: -25462
  • Bo Knows: Joe Don't Know Diddley
saying that c's might waive Wallace , and use the stretch provision. Just her guess at this point

I would love more info on what the "stretch provision" means.
You take the number of years left on the contract and double it and add one.

Then you spread the total value of the contract over that many years.

So instead of 30 million over 3 years, it'd be 30 million over 7 years. So a cap hit of 4.285 per year for the next 7 years.

I hate the idea, personally.  The only thing worse than having bad contracts on your cap is having a significant amount of dead money for a player who isn't on your team anymore.

In 2020, I don't want Gerald Wallace to still be eating up our cap room.

I mean, over the next two years we're probably tanking and won't have cap space anyway.  In that third year, I'm sure Danny (or our new GM ;)) will try to move that expiring contract.  That's certainly better than having Wallace on our cap an additional four years.


I'M THE SILVERBACK GORILLA IN THIS MOTHER... AND DON'T NONE OF YA'LL EVER FORGET IT!

KP / Giannis / Turkuglu / Jrue / Curry
Sabonis / Brand / A. Thompson / Oladipo / Brunson
Jordan / Bowen

Redshirt:  Cooper Flagg

Re: Jackie Mac on WEEI
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2013, 10:52:28 AM »

Offline Fafnir

  • Bill Russell
  • ******************************
  • Posts: 30863
  • Tommy Points: 1330
saying that c's might waive Wallace , and use the stretch provision. Just her guess at this point

I would love more info on what the "stretch provision" means.
You take the number of years left on the contract and double it and add one.

Then you spread the total value of the contract over that many years.

So instead of 30 million over 3 years, it'd be 30 million over 7 years. So a cap hit of 4.285 per year for the next 7 years.

I hate the idea, personally.  The only thing worse than having bad contracts on your cap is having a significant amount of dead money for a player who isn't on your team anymore.

In 2020, I don't want Gerald Wallace to still be eating up our cap room.

I mean, over the next two years we're probably tanking and won't have cap space anyway.  In that third year, I'm sure Danny (or our new GM ;)) will try to move that expiring contract.  That's certainly better than having Wallace on our cap an additional four years.
I think it doesn't make much sense for this year, but it might make more sense next year or the year after that to stretch the 20 over 5 or 10 over 3 if you have moves that require cap space.

Re: Jackie Mac on WEEI
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2013, 10:53:02 AM »

Offline BleedGreen1989

  • Rajon Rondo
  • *****
  • Posts: 5561
  • Tommy Points: 568
saying that c's might waive Wallace , and use the stretch provision. Just her guess at this point

I would love more info on what the "stretch provision" means.
You take the number of years left on the contract and double it and add one.

Then you spread the total value of the contract over that many years.

So instead of 30 million over 3 years, it'd be 30 million over 7 years. So a cap hit of 4.285 per year for the next 7 years.

I hate the idea, personally.  The only thing worse than having bad contracts on your cap is having a significant amount of dead money for a player who isn't on your team anymore.

In 2020, I don't want Gerald Wallace to still be eating up our cap room.

I mean, over the next two years we're probably tanking and won't have cap space anyway.  In that third year, I'm sure Danny (or our new GM ;)) will try to move that expiring contract.  That's certainly better than having Wallace on our cap an additional four years.

Yea I hate the stretch provision in this situation.
*CB Miami Heat*
Kyle Lowry, Dwayne Wade, 13th pick in even numbered rounds, 18th pick in odd numbered rounds.

Re: Jackie Mac on WEEI
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2013, 10:54:37 AM »

Offline AB_Celtic

  • DKC Commish
  • Ray Allen
  • ***
  • Posts: 3234
  • Tommy Points: 460
Just bite the bullet on Wallace. The stretch provision is pointless here. Let him go wild with Rondo and maybe we discover he just had an off year.

Regardless, he'll have value in a few years as an expiring.

Re: Jackie Mac on WEEI
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2013, 11:02:11 AM »

Offline jambr380

  • K.C. Jones
  • *************
  • Posts: 13770
  • Tommy Points: 2061
  • Sometimes there's no sane reason for optimism
saying that c's might waive Wallace , and use the stretch provision. Just her guess at this point

I would love more info on what the "stretch provision" means.
You take the number of years left on the contract and double it and add one.

Then you spread the total value of the contract over that many years.

So instead of 30 million over 3 years, it'd be 30 million over 7 years. So a cap hit of 4.285 per year for the next 7 years.

I hate the idea, personally.  The only thing worse than having bad contracts on your cap is having a significant amount of dead money for a player who isn't on your team anymore.

In 2020, I don't want Gerald Wallace to still be eating up our cap room.

I mean, over the next two years we're probably tanking and won't have cap space anyway.  In that third year, I'm sure Danny (or our new GM ;)) will try to move that expiring contract.  That's certainly better than having Wallace on our cap an additional four years.

I totally agree. The year 2020 went through my head, as well.

There is always a chance that he was just a bad fit in NJ (and he did play better in the playoffs). What if he actually shows he is still a good player and becomes a trade asset? I know there isn't a huge chance of this, but he will have the minutes to prove himself.

If it doesn't work out, then do it next year and save a year off of the stretch...many many people complained about Scalabrine for his 5 year/15 mill contract and he actually ended up being useful to us. Wallace's $4.3 million per year for seven years to not be on the team is just stupid.

Re: Jackie Mac on WEEI
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2013, 11:06:45 AM »

Offline hwangjini_1

  • Dennis Johnson
  • ******************
  • Posts: 18200
  • Tommy Points: 2748
  • bammokja
saying that c's might waive Wallace , and use the stretch provision. Just her guess at this point

I would love more info on what the "stretch provision" means.
You take the number of years left on the contract and double it and add one.

Then you spread the total value of the contract over that many years.

So instead of 30 million over 3 years, it'd be 30 million over 7 years. So a cap hit of 4.285 per year for the next 7 years.

great sum up of the stretch fafnir. thanks.

but the stretch here seems to make less sense than keeping the contract as is. the stretch puts a $4+ million dollar crimp in the celtics payroll for 7 years. that is a long time and before then the rebuild should (hopefully) have taken place. that is, cap space will be more important to the celtics in 4-5 years than for the next 2-3 years.

as is, the first two years of high salary are not critical since the celtics will not be angling for a big ticket free agent anyway. and in year three, wallace becomes a valuable trade chip.

also, as is, the celtics are paying a large chunk of money to someone who quite frankly sucks, which is partly the point isnt it? a rebuild requires a year or 3 of suckocity and wallace helps deliver on that.

finally, who knows? wallace may find the fountain of youth and play credibly, which means moving his contract may be possible in exchange for...dare i say it?... a draft pick.

in a nutshell, to the celtics it may be the case that the money for wallace over the next 2-3 years is less valuable and less impactful than the money needed to fill out a playoff team in 4-5 years.

I believe Gandhi is the only person who knew about real democracy — not democracy as the right to go and buy what you want, but democracy as the responsibility to be accountable to everyone around you. Democracy begins with freedom from hunger, freedom from unemployment, freedom from fear, and freedom from hatred.
- Vandana Shiva

Re: Jackie Mac on WEEI
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2013, 11:09:54 AM »

Offline birdwatcher

  • Bill Walton
  • *
  • Posts: 1385
  • Tommy Points: 126
  • Another undersized Celtic...
But if he doesn't clear waivers, doesn't the team that picks him up have to take on his salary?

Re: Jackie Mac on WEEI
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2013, 11:11:05 AM »

Offline Evantime34

  • NCE
  • Ed Macauley
  • ***********
  • Posts: 11942
  • Tommy Points: 764
  • Eagerly Awaiting the Next Fantasy Draft
saying that c's might waive Wallace , and use the stretch provision. Just her guess at this point

I would love more info on what the "stretch provision" means.
You take the number of years left on the contract and double it and add one.

Then you spread the total value of the contract over that many years.

So instead of 30 million over 3 years, it'd be 30 million over 7 years. So a cap hit of 4.285 per year for the next 7 years.
I will not be happy if this happens. We are already under the tax with this deal, and it will hurt our future cap space for longer. I think you just pay him. I think he will have a bounce back year with us and improve his value.
DKC:  Rockets
CB Draft: Memphis Grizz
Players: Klay Thompson, Jabari Parker, Aaron Gordon
Next 3 picks: 4.14, 4.15, 4.19