Let's get to the real story here

[wdleehi]

You would think after all these years, his family might have moved to be where they were earning the money. 

[thirstyboots18]

You would think after all these years, his family might have moved to be where they were earning the money.

There comes a time when a family has to put down roots.  Again, just my opinion. Doc has moved quite a bit in his career, first as a player, then as a coach.  It is hard on a family to keep uprooting.  If they like the Orlando area why not put down roots there?

[wdleehi]

You would think after all these years, his family might have moved to be where they were earning the money.

There comes a time when a family has to put down roots.  Again, just my opinion. Doc has moved quite a bit in his career, first as a player, then as a coach.  It is hard on a family to keep uprooting.  If they like the Orlando area why not put down roots there?

Do what a lot of military families do.  Own a house where you want to retire, but the family goes with the person working (as long as it is a safe location)

[nickagneta]

You would think after all these years, his family might have moved to be where they were earning the money.

There comes a time when a family has to put down roots.  Again, just my opinion. Doc has moved quite a bit in his career, first as a player, then as a coach.  It is hard on a family to keep uprooting.  If they like the Orlando area why not put down roots there?

Do what a lot of military families do.  Own a house where you want to retire, but the family goes with the person working (as long as it is a safe location)

Military families do that because they have to. But putting a family into upheaval, especially with children in the high school age, is not fun or really a very good thing for the children.

I think his youngest is still in school.

It must have been a tough 8-9 years being away from the kids and not seeing them grow up. It has been a major personal sacrifice on the part of Doc to be the coach of this team, and yet, he gets no credit or understanding of this from the fan base.

[thirstyboots18]

You would think after all these years, his family might have moved to be where they were earning the money.

There comes a time when a family has to put down roots.  Again, just my opinion. Doc has moved quite a bit in his career, first as a player, then as a coach.  It is hard on a family to keep uprooting.  If they like the Orlando area why not put down roots there?

Do what a lot of military families do.  Own a house where you want to retire, but the family goes with the person working (as long as it is a safe location)

OK, wdleehi, you win this round.  I have an opinion on that, too, but there is not enough time or room in this blog for me to expound on it!     Sometime, if you have a week, I will give it to you.     Is that a sacrifice you would ask your family to make for your job...possibly every few years?

[wdleehi]

You would think after all these years, his family might have moved to be where they were earning the money.

There comes a time when a family has to put down roots.  Again, just my opinion. Doc has moved quite a bit in his career, first as a player, then as a coach.  It is hard on a family to keep uprooting.  If they like the Orlando area why not put down roots there?

Do what a lot of military families do.  Own a house where you want to retire, but the family goes with the person working (as long as it is a safe location)

Military families do that because they have to. But putting a family into upheaval, especially with children in the high school age, is not fun or really a very good thing for the children.

I think his youngest is still in school.

It must have been a tough 8-9 years being away from the kids and not seeing them grow up. It has been a major personal sacrifice on the part of Doc to be the coach of this team, and yet, he gets no credit or understanding of this from the fan base.

Not fun for children yes.


But better for them then having their father away. 



He had the means to live with his family in Florida.  He had the means to move his family with him to Boston.


After 8 years, I find that to be a weak excuse for why you want to leave your job.  (unlike those who do not have the means or ability to move their family with them)

[nickagneta]

You would think after all these years, his family might have moved to be where they were earning the money.

There comes a time when a family has to put down roots.  Again, just my opinion. Doc has moved quite a bit in his career, first as a player, then as a coach.  It is hard on a family to keep uprooting.  If they like the Orlando area why not put down roots there?

Do what a lot of military families do.  Own a house where you want to retire, but the family goes with the person working (as long as it is a safe location)

Military families do that because they have to. But putting a family into upheaval, especially with children in the high school age, is not fun or really a very good thing for the children.

I think his youngest is still in school.

It must have been a tough 8-9 years being away from the kids and not seeing them grow up. It has been a major personal sacrifice on the part of Doc to be the coach of this team, and yet, he gets no credit or understanding of this from the fan base.

Not fun for children yes.


But better for them then having their father away. 



He had the means to live with his family in Florida.  He had the means to move his family with him to Boston.


After 8 years, I find that to be a weak excuse for why you want to leave your job.  (unlike those who do not have the means or ability to move their family with them)

Completely disagree. I feel it easily better for the children to be in a stable environment where they have continuity of education and friends and family. Even if Doc wasn't there all the time, they knew mom and dad still loved each other and that dad would be there in the summers and during certain times of the year. Kids with dads or moms who travel a lot because of their work go through the same thing all the time. The sacrifice is on the parent, not the kid, which, IMHO, is the way it should be.

[wdleehi]

If it was about being with his family in Florida, he stays in broadcasting. 



So if he leaves Boston, I don't want to hear that excuse.

[nickagneta]

If it was about being with his family in Florida, he stays in broadcasting. 



So if he leaves Boston, I don't want to hear that excuse.

I agree with this. If he goes to another team, unless it is Orlando, or maybe Miami(and even then probably not), I agree. This wasn't about family but the advancement of his career as a coach.

[hwangjini_1]

i find it absurd and presumptuous (dare i even say a bit arrogant?) that we here believe ourselves entitled to tell doc how to run his personal life. i see nothing informative coming from that discussion.

doc will, and should, make his own personal decisions. as should we all.

perhaps we are better off returning this discussion to the basketball side of doc's decision. i dont have the "real story" nor does anyone here. however, it makes sense to me that doc may have reached a time in his career in which he does not want to oversee a bad team, and it just so happens that the celtics may be a bad team for the next few years.

doc doesnt need to build his resume. he doesnt need to demonstrate/prove his coaching abilities.

he seems to like working with ainge and coaching the celtics, and has for 8 years or so.

but anyone can change and believe they want something different. or, maybe want to "move up" and advance their career.

doc may have a boatload of good reasons for not returning as coach of the celtics.

but as for me, i hope his "stay in boston" boatload of reasons out weighs his "i'm outta here" boatload of reasons. i want doc to stay.

[CelticConcourse]

Code: [Select]

1999-00 41 41 .500
2000-01 43 39 .524 1 3 .250
2001-02 44 38 .537 1 3 .250
2002-03 42 40 .512 3 4 .429
2003-04 1 10 .091
2004-05 45 37 .549 3 4 .429
2005-06 33 49 .402
2006-07 24 58 .293
2007-08 66 16 .805 16 10 .615
2008-09 62 20 .756 7 7 .500
2009-10 50 32 .610 15 9 .625
2010-11 56 26 .683 5 4 .556
2011-12 39 27 .591 11 9 .550
2012-13 41 40 .506 2 4 .333
Career 587 473 .554 64 57 .529


[connor]

i find it absurd and presumptuous (dare i even say a bit arrogant?) that we here believe ourselves entitled to tell doc how to run his personal life. i see nothing informative coming from that discussion.

doc will, and should, make his own personal decisions. as should we all.

perhaps we are better off returning this discussion to the basketball side of doc's decision. i dont have the "real story" nor does anyone here. however, it makes sense to me that doc may have reached a time in his career in which he does not want to oversee a bad team, and it just so happens that the celtics may be a bad team for the next few years.

doc doesnt need to build his resume. he doesnt need to demonstrate/prove his coaching abilities.

he seems to like working with ainge and coaching the celtics, and has for 8 years or so.

but anyone can change and believe they want something different. or, maybe want to "move up" and advance their career.

doc may have a boatload of good reasons for not returning as coach of the celtics.

but as for me, i hope his "stay in boston" boatload of reasons out weighs his "i'm outta here" boatload of reasons. i want doc to stay.

I think the problem people have with Doc is that he is basically the coach equivalent of Brett Favre right now. After every season he seems to contemplate walking away and retiring or taking some time off, which is annoying to begin with, but perfectly understandable. The man has the right to do whatever he wants.

The problem is now it sounds more like now that the Celtics as we know them with KG and PP as our core is coming to an end he wants to go coach elsewhere rather than having to deal with rebuilding. Again understandable, but if a player was talking the same way it'd be considered basically disrespectful to the organization, especially considering that there is still quite a lot of talent on our roster (maybe not championship quality, but playoff quality and with Rondo and Sully back maybe even a deep sleeper team?).

On top of that he is the highest paid coach out there and he signed on to a contract with 3 years left knowing full well where this organization was going.

Doc has put in his years, so fair enough, but just like you teach young kids: when you make a commitment its your obligation to hold up your end as a man, especially if the other side is holding up their end.

If Doc wants to take time off then fine, if he wants to go down to coach in Florida (Orlando) to be close to his family then fine, hell if he wants to go knock Monty Williams out of New Orleans and coach his kid then fine.

BUT if he just wants to go coach a better team thats a bit shaky even for me and I love Doc. He knew where this team was heading and he signed on anyway, thats on him. I think people are entitled to being somewhat upset if he wants to back out on that.

[D.o.s.]

i find it absurd and presumptuous (dare i even say a bit arrogant?) that we here believe ourselves entitled to tell doc how to run his personal life. i see nothing informative coming from that discussion.

doc will, and should, make his own personal decisions. as should we all.

perhaps we are better off returning this discussion to the basketball side of doc's decision. i dont have the "real story" nor does anyone here. however, it makes sense to me that doc may have reached a time in his career in which he does not want to oversee a bad team, and it just so happens that the celtics may be a bad team for the next few years.

doc doesnt need to build his resume. he doesnt need to demonstrate/prove his coaching abilities.

he seems to like working with ainge and coaching the celtics, and has for 8 years or so.

but anyone can change and believe they want something different. or, maybe want to "move up" and advance their career.

doc may have a boatload of good reasons for not returning as coach of the celtics.

but as for me, i hope his "stay in boston" boatload of reasons out weighs his "i'm outta here" boatload of reasons. i want doc to stay.

I think the problem people have with Doc is that he is basically the coach equivalent of Brett Favre right now. After every season he seems to contemplate walking away and retiring or taking some time off, which is annoying to begin with, but perfectly understandable. The man has the right to do whatever he wants.

The problem is now it sounds more like now that the Celtics as we know them with KG and PP as our core is coming to an end he wants to go coach elsewhere rather than having to deal with rebuilding. Again understandable, but if a player was talking the same way it'd be considered basically disrespectful to the organization, especially considering that there is still quite a lot of talent on our roster (maybe not championship quality, but playoff quality and with Rondo and Sully back maybe even a deep sleeper team?).

Doc's not the one talking about it. He's giving a non-answer and the journalists are running with it, as they're wont to do during seasonal lulls in actual coverage of a given sports team.

[LooseCannon]

If the real story is that Doc is intentionally being coy about his future plans because Ainge wants him to be that way out of a belief that it gives him some sort of edge on possible transactions, would anyone have a problem with that?

[celts55]

My real story is, I don't really care what his real story is. I think it's just time he just poops or gets off the pot.