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Would you rather select based on need or based on BPA?

Based on need
1 (5.6%)
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Would you rather select based on need or based on BPA?
« on: June 05, 2013, 07:53:16 PM »

Offline CelticConcourse

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Re: Would you rather select based on need or based on BPA?
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2013, 08:11:40 PM »

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I always talk myself into believing that the player that best fits our need is the best player available. 
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PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
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C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Would you rather select based on need or based on BPA?
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2013, 08:13:42 PM »

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Danny already said he is taking BPA

Re: Would you rather select based on need or based on BPA?
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2013, 08:32:12 PM »

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I think if we were right on the cusp of a championship, I could see selecting for need.  We're not there, so I'd take BPA.

Re: Would you rather select based on need or based on BPA?
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2013, 08:36:38 PM »

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I think if we were right on the cusp of a championship, I could see selecting for need.  We're not there, so I'd take BPA.

If we were right on the cusp of a championship, I doubt a rookie would put us over the top unless we had a lottery pick, e.g. 1986.

Take talent.  Or size, of course.

Re: Would you rather select based on need or based on BPA?
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2013, 08:55:08 PM »

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BPA.  There is no position that has the starter and second-string roster spots locked up for the next 2-3 years.

The question is, BPA based on projected play next season or BPA based on projected play 3-4 years from now.
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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2013, 08:55:45 PM »

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Take talent.  Or size, of course.

Undersized talent is always a better choice than talentless size.  If you can only have one, take talent.
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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2013, 09:12:17 PM »

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Draft the BPA and cover needs via trade and free agency.

Re: Would you rather select based on need or based on BPA?
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2013, 09:31:39 PM »

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Take talent.  Or size, of course.

Undersized talent is always a better choice than talentless size.  If you can only have one, take talent.

I'd take a flyer on someone like Melo, Steimsma, Fat Kid Perkins, or another 7' big, in most cases, over an undersized player of average ability, e.g. your Ryan Gomes/Eric Williams-type guy, unless we were desperate for bodies or needed someone to pan out quickly.

The new CBA is why.

There are too many talented role players that will be taking the minimum to M-MLE, or $1-3M per year.  Many first rounders get paid close to or more than that.  Good all-around players should be willing to come play for our wonderful coach and franchise (not to mention fans).

The competition is for the next Ty Chandler or Camby, and here we are hoping to develop Melo.  Those are the guys who are hard to get at any price.

There should be some sort of talent/relative size for position metric that pro teams use to evaluate prospects, right?

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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2013, 09:56:24 PM »

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Re: Would you rather select based on need or based on BPA?
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2013, 10:22:13 PM »

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BPA....all about acquiring assets

Re: Would you rather select based on need or based on BPA?
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2013, 11:26:04 PM »

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Take talent.  Or size, of course.

Undersized talent is always a better choice than talentless size.  If you can only have one, take talent.

I'd take a flyer on someone like Melo, Steimsma, Fat Kid Perkins, or another 7' big, in most cases, over an undersized player of average ability, e.g. your Ryan Gomes/Eric Williams-type guy, unless we were desperate for bodies or needed someone to pan out quickly.

The problem is when an obsession with size leads you take someone like Fab Melo instead of the next Kenneth Faried.
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Re: Would you rather select based on need or based on BPA?
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2013, 02:22:59 AM »

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Take talent.  Or size, of course.

Undersized talent is always a better choice than talentless size.  If you can only have one, take talent.

I'd take a flyer on someone like Melo, Steimsma, Fat Kid Perkins, or another 7' big, in most cases, over an undersized player of average ability, e.g. your Ryan Gomes/Eric Williams-type guy, unless we were desperate for bodies or needed someone to pan out quickly.

The problem is when an obsession with size leads you take someone like Fab Melo instead of the next Kenneth Faried.

Or a player that will be "developing" throughout his rookie contract, then bolt in FA. 

We were lucky to have Perk for a couple of decent years; the first few, he didn't play or sucked.  He was only considered a solid piece after proving himself next to KG in 08, then again in 09, both on a reasonable contract extension he signed early on, when he was still "developing" because he chose security over a possible future payday.  It wasn't long after that when he became an overpriced contract, paid out in part because he's a center.  If he had gone all-in for the biggest possible payday, the whole structure of the roster may have been different; he either would've been gone, or taking up a bigger piece of the cap.

But in the draft, take either talent or size, but NEVER just draft for need, e.g. to fill a position.

Or just for size; that's how you get Kwame Brown and Kandi drafted #1, and Darko over DWade, Melo, etc.

But when taking the best talent, if the size deficiency for position relegates them to career bench player, e.g. Gomes or Nate Robinson or whoever, I'd still take a flier on the project big.

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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2013, 05:02:40 AM »

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For me it would depend on the disparity between the two.

If you're undersized big is worlds ahead of your 7-foot big (i.e. Paul Milsap vs Ryan Hollins) then I would certainly take the better big over the  bigger one.

If both players are very capable (i.e. Carlos Boozer and Tyson Chandler) then I'd take the Tyson Chandler...because both guys are pretty talented, but we need the size more.

I guess it all comes down to their readiness to contribute immediately.  If one is able to contribute right now, and the other is not..you take the one who can help you now.  If neither si really NBA ready yet and both are prospects, then you may as well take the one who will fill a need and develop him.

Re: Would you rather select based on need or based on BPA?
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2013, 05:13:56 AM »

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Best player available seems to make tha most sense but there's also a need. Hopefully Danny gets both in whoever he drafts.
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