NBA Personnel weigh in of draft prospects Giannis,Schroeder,Gobert, and Saric

[Tr1boy]

Not a huge believer in some of the scouting reports that come out on Euros. I just keep remembering all the hype about Jan Vesely and Bismack Byombo and Kevin Seraphin and Victor Claver and Omri Casspi and Alexis Ajinca.

Heck, can anyone really say that Rubio or Gallinari have lived up to how good some of the scouting reports that preceded those guys said they were? They are good players but I don't think either is even close to ever being an All-Star.

BTW does anyone realize who the last Euro drafted was that made an All-Star team?

Marc Gasol...Drafted 2007....6 years ago.

Gallo is a premiere pf/sf in the league. Some say it was without his closing abilities denver couldn't move onto the next round. I guess you don't remember that one last sec play where he played with KG and nailed a jumper just below the three point line.

Rubio is good but mainly for offensive purposes. Passing , dribbling, no look passes are all there. But defense is mere avg.

[nickagneta]

Not a huge believer in some of the scouting reports that come out on Euros. I just keep remembering all the hype about Jan Vesely and Bismack Byombo and Kevin Seraphin and Victor Claver and Omri Casspi and Alexis Ajinca.

Heck, can anyone really say that Rubio or Gallinari have lived up to how good some of the scouting reports that preceded those guys said they were? They are good players but I don't think either is even close to ever being an All-Star.

BTW does anyone realize who the last Euro drafted was that made an All-Star team?

Marc Gasol...Drafted 2007....6 years ago.

Gallo is a premiere pf/sf in the league. Some say it was without his closing abilities denver couldn't move onto the next round. I guess you don't remember that one last sec play where he played with KG and nailed a jumper just below the three point line.

Rubio is good but mainly for offensive purposes. Passing , dribbling, no look passes are all there. But defense is mere avg.

I don't consider Gallo premier. He's a horrible rebounder and not a good defender. He's in Jeff Green's league. Good not great. Kind of just outside the top ten of SFs in the league.

[Celtics4ever]

I agree on Gallo but I would not mind having him or a guy like that.

[Tr1boy]

Not a huge believer in some of the scouting reports that come out on Euros. I just keep remembering all the hype about Jan Vesely and Bismack Byombo and Kevin Seraphin and Victor Claver and Omri Casspi and Alexis Ajinca.

Heck, can anyone really say that Rubio or Gallinari have lived up to how good some of the scouting reports that preceded those guys said they were? They are good players but I don't think either is even close to ever being an All-Star.

BTW does anyone realize who the last Euro drafted was that made an All-Star team?

Marc Gasol...Drafted 2007....6 years ago.

Gallo is a premiere pf/sf in the league. Some say it was without his closing abilities denver couldn't move onto the next round. I guess you don't remember that one last sec play where he played with KG and nailed a jumper just below the three point line.

Rubio is good but mainly for offensive purposes. Passing , dribbling, no look passes are all there. But defense is mere avg.

I don't consider Gallo premier. He's a horrible rebounder and not a good defender. He's in Jeff Green's league. Good not great. Kind of just outside the top ten of SFs in the league.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KYumf8hvHI

watch this and tell me after he is not a top 10 sf. Pure clutch. The last shot is the one i was previously talking about vs KG. And he is a SF not a C. You are not going to get 10 rebounds a game. But a good statline that includes rebounds, steals, assists, points.  His defense i agree is not amazing, but he tries and has height adv vs most sf's.

[Who]

I got Gallo in the 6th to 8th range at the SF position.

With many of the top SFs now on the East coast, Gallo might make the All-Star game sometime over the next couple of seasons. But I wouldn't consider him an All-Star caliber player. At least one notch below.

[ge]

I believe I know who DA is going to get, in fact I did many months ago. And it's a good choice. I just don't want to jinx it or be the reason for noise made and a team ahead of us jumps to the opportunity. It looks good right now but you can never be sure. Anyway, here, I spent my #2 post in the blog saying nothing...

[vgulab]

I'm from Europe and i've been following this guys more than you i suppose, so first of all my opinion is that none of these euro guys is worth 16th pick , expect maybe Saric based on potential. At 16 i expect a guy with top 10 talent to slip. Very big posibility on this draft is for that because gm's are still not decided on the top 10 picks and i've seen many difrent mocks. I believe in DA that he will select good player, i have good feeling that Muhammad,Zeller, Caldwel-Pope type of player will slip to us.

Now i want to share my opinion on the euro guys:

Rudy Gobert - people are crazy if they think this guy is top 10,15 prospect. I'm not even sure that he will ever become a role player and not something more. His size is great at 7'2 and his long arms, but even with that kind of body he is just solid defender and solid blocker. He should be at least great defender but he is not. On offense very raw with no moves no fluid game not to much understanding for the game. People say he has potential, i don't. For me he is just a taller Fab Melo. I would select him after 25

Dennis Schroeder - player that i like. Very fast, knows how to finish using his speed. Potential is here but he needs playing time to develop. Using his speed and long arms to play good defense and also solid shooter. Many skills and lot of potential but who ever draft him needs to give him playing time and to be patient with him. Good chance to became a good player. By 16 he will probably be selected although i believe he should be around 15-20.

Giannis Adetokoubo - i havent watched this guy a lot but my thoughts is that he has talent but he is by far least ready for nba. He needs at least 2 more years in Europe before going to nba. He is not ready mentally and also he hasn't define his game. He is still trying to learn how to use his talent to became good player. High risk for selecting him, i woundn't select him before 25.

Sergey Karasev - i like this guy a lot. He is already good player, has size, he can shoot the ball, he undestands the game. I think he will have a good nba seasons but not expecting to became star. In europe solid defender but in the nba he will not be good defender because he lacks strenth and speed. Still very good offensive player already. Fantastic shooter who doesn't need much space and most important is that he understands the game and can fit in some nba team system. He should be selected around 20 because he is very good player and he will adapt in the nba but doesn't have star potential.

Dario Saric - First the negative things. He may never fulfil his potential and may have problems adapting in nba. Plus he needs to stay in europe at least one more year and also he is not great at scoring and creating own shots. Now you think this guy is far from good but i havent seen that kind of potential in europe in a while. He can be complete player. All other prospect are good in some areas, this guy is good in everything. He has size,strong enough body, he can pass better than some pg's, he can rebound like a pf, he can play good defense... If this guy reach his potential he will be the perfect team player that every organisation would love to have. Player with talent for every aspect of the game is rare, very rare. Still big question mark  about reaching his potential. He should be selected around 15 because of his talent, someone will take risk with him
 

[ianboyextreme]

Not a huge believer in some of the scouting reports that come out on Euros. I just keep remembering all the hype about Jan Vesely and Bismack Byombo and Kevin Seraphin and Victor Claver and Omri Casspi and Alexis Ajinca.

Heck, can anyone really say that Rubio or Gallinari have lived up to how good some of the scouting reports that preceded those guys said they were? They are good players but I don't think either is even close to ever being an All-Star.

BTW does anyone realize who the last Euro drafted was that made an All-Star team?

Marc Gasol...Drafted 2007....6 years ago.

Rubio has been pretty phenominal and will definitely make all star teams at some point so i dont agree there. Gallo is pretty inconsistent, though.

[crownontherocks]

ESPN's Chad Ford is hearing that Dario Saric is leaning toward withdrawing from the NBA draft.

Saric is a possible lottery pick if he stays in the draft, but Ford reports the 19-year-old forward would like to get another year of experience in Europe. This isn't new considering Saric said previously he would try to stay in Croatia even if he's drafted in the first round in order to improve his game. Saric has until June 17 to officially withdraw.

[fairweatherfan]

ESPN's Chad Ford is hearing that Dario Saric is leaning toward withdrawing from the NBA draft.

Saric is a possible lottery pick if he stays in the draft, but Ford reports the 19-year-old forward would like to get another year of experience in Europe. This isn't new considering Saric said previously he would try to stay in Croatia even if he's drafted in the first round in order to improve his game. Saric has until June 17 to officially withdraw.

Can't he just get drafted and stay anyway?  Or would he have to have a current contract overseas?  Seems like he'd be a higher pick this year than next almost no matter what.

[Fafnir]

ESPN's Chad Ford is hearing that Dario Saric is leaning toward withdrawing from the NBA draft.

Saric is a possible lottery pick if he stays in the draft, but Ford reports the 19-year-old forward would like to get another year of experience in Europe. This isn't new considering Saric said previously he would try to stay in Croatia even if he's drafted in the first round in order to improve his game. Saric has until June 17 to officially withdraw.

Can't he just get drafted and stay anyway?  Or would he have to have a current contract overseas?  Seems like he'd be a higher pick this year than next almost no matter what.

He could, its sounding like he doesn't like the teams that are likely to pick him this year.

[mmmmm]

To me, Saric looks like a very raw version of Detlef Schrempf.

I watched a LOT of Schrempf, starting with when he was in H.S. (hated him then - he played for our rival school and just crushed my school's team) and through his refinement under Harshman (I went to the UW at the same time.  Totally rooted for him then!  LOL!) and then his long NBA career (since he played several years for two of the NBA teams I rooted for) and when I watch vids of Saric, I see a lot of resemblence.

Saric reminds me of Shrempf in that he is long and unusually well balanced for his length.  Graceful mover with and without the ball.  And like Shrempf, he is versatile.  He does a lot of different things very well.

Shrempf was much more polished when he entered the NBA, though - probably because of Marv Harshman's emphasis on fundamentals.   Saric looks to me like he will need a year of development to get to that point.

[kozlodoev]

FWIW, DraftExpress has us taking Gobert now...

[mmmmm]

FWIW, DraftExpress has us taking Gobert now...

And it has the Bulls, sitting down at #20, take Gorgui Dieng, laughing gleefully at the Celtics ....

I wouldn't put too much stock into that (or any) exact mock draft order.     It has Larkin going at #14???  Do they think the Jazz management will be drunk on draft day?   They are more likely to still be able to get him with their pick at #21.

A lot of mocks are currently over reacting to combine numbers.   They'll start to reset a bit after people remember how the players actually _performed_ over the last couple of seasons.   

GMs are paid to be a little more thoughtful & diligent than the typical mock draft picker.

[nickagneta]

The mock draft I like to follow is Chad Ford. He has way more inside info to get things right than any of these mock draft sites.

Only thing is I have to resubscribe to my Insider to get it and I am not sure I want to yet.