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Re: Do nothing
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2013, 02:55:10 PM »

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Doing nothing would be a 3rd wasted season in a row... we'd be too good to tank for Wiggins and too bad to contend.  Sitting ducks.   And Avery Bradley and SUllinger and nowhere near the bluechip prospects some Celtic fans assume they are.

As KG and Pierce degrade... so too will our team.  So then you have a team that isn't contending and isn't getting closer to contending.  THat's a problem.

Re: Do nothing
« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2013, 05:18:31 PM »

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Doing nothing would be a 3rd wasted season in a row...

  Getting to game 7 of the conference finals isn't a wasted season.

Re: Do nothing
« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2013, 05:21:30 PM »

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Doing nothing would be a 3rd wasted season in a row...

  Getting to game 7 of the conference finals isn't a wasted season.

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Re: Do nothing
« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2013, 11:21:24 PM »

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I wouldn't exactly do nothing, I would do a few small moves, hopefully bring in a reliable big that's cheap to give KG a rest if he's coming back. KG need rest and we need to keep him fresh at all cost. Despite his age, I still say KG is a top 10 big. Going after bigs are our biggest priority.

mozgov is the obvious attainable cheap center

Mozgov is not going to be cheap.  I don't think you understand that he is very likely going to get a raise next season.  His salary is like to be at least the MLE and not quite Omer Asik money.  Denver will offer him the qualifying offer of $3.9 million so that he is a restricted free agent and they are allowed to match any offer.  If it is a reasonable contract that will allow him to be traded, they will match.  To get Mozgov, you either have to negotiate a sign-and-trade or offer Mozgov so much money that Denver thinks it is a massive overpay and they will be stuck with the contract.

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Re: Do nothing
« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2013, 11:41:36 PM »

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I wouldn't exactly do nothing, I would do a few small moves, hopefully bring in a reliable big that's cheap to give KG a rest if he's coming back. KG need rest and we need to keep him fresh at all cost. Despite his age, I still say KG is a top 10 big. Going after bigs are our biggest priority.

mozgov is the obvious attainable cheap center

Mozgov is not going to be cheap.  I don't think you understand that he is very likely going to get a raise next season.  His salary is like to be at least the MLE and not quite Omer Asik money.  Denver will offer him the qualifying offer of $3.9 million so that he is a restricted free agent and they are allowed to match any offer.  If it is a reasonable contract that will allow him to be traded, they will match.  To get Mozgov, you either have to negotiate a sign-and-trade or offer Mozgov so much money that Denver thinks it is a massive overpay and they will be stuck with the contract.

denver needs pf bass

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Re: Do nothing
« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2013, 07:07:59 AM »

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Doing nothing would be a 3rd wasted season in a row... we'd be too good to tank for Wiggins and too bad to contend.  Sitting ducks.   And Avery Bradley and SUllinger and nowhere near the bluechip prospects some Celtic fans assume they are.

As KG and Pierce degrade... so too will our team.  So then you have a team that isn't contending and isn't getting closer to contending.  THat's a problem.


Sounds like the Detroit plan.



They blew their team up and kept a PG and SF. 


They used their cap space on a pair of nice players (or at least what they thought were nice)



They stunk and are still trying to dig out. 

Re: Do nothing
« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2013, 07:23:38 AM »

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Doing nothing would be a 3rd wasted season in a row... we'd be too good to tank for Wiggins and too bad to contend.  Sitting ducks.   And Avery Bradley and SUllinger and nowhere near the bluechip prospects some Celtic fans assume they are.

As KG and Pierce degrade... so too will our team.  So then you have a team that isn't contending and isn't getting closer to contending.  THat's a problem.

In 2012 we were 5 wins away from an NBA title. That is not a "wasted season".

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« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2013, 07:43:38 AM »

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In 2012 we were 5 wins away from an NBA title. That is not a "wasted season".

David Stern was never going to allow that it would have went to the Thunder had we beat the heat.

Re: Do nothing
« Reply #38 on: May 10, 2013, 07:49:51 AM »

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Okc and GSW are 2 exceptions. The others teams that tank in the past are still stuck. The best solution is refill each year by making good deals.

Re: Do nothing
« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2013, 09:41:10 AM »

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Doing nothing would be a 3rd wasted season in a row... we'd be too good to tank for Wiggins and too bad to contend.  Sitting ducks.   And Avery Bradley and SUllinger and nowhere near the bluechip prospects some Celtic fans assume they are.

As KG and Pierce degrade... so too will our team.  So then you have a team that isn't contending and isn't getting closer to contending.  THat's a problem.

In 2012 we were 5 wins away from an NBA title. That is not a "wasted season".

Standards are different from person to person.

I´ve said we´d lose against the Heat, and we lost against the Heat. For me personally, that sounds like a wasted season.

If you want to get something in return for your aging stars, the trick is to do it before their value declines, not afterwards.

Yep, most definitely a wasted season to me.
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Re: Do nothing
« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2013, 09:45:30 AM »

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Doing nothing would be a 3rd wasted season in a row... we'd be too good to tank for Wiggins and too bad to contend.  Sitting ducks.   And Avery Bradley and SUllinger and nowhere near the bluechip prospects some Celtic fans assume they are.

As KG and Pierce degrade... so too will our team.  So then you have a team that isn't contending and isn't getting closer to contending.  THat's a problem.

In 2012 we were 5 wins away from an NBA title. That is not a "wasted season".

Standards are different from person to person.

I´ve said we´d lose against the Heat, and we lost against the Heat. For me personally, that sounds like a wasted season.

If you want to get something in return for your aging stars, the trick is to do it before their value declines, not afterwards.

Yep, most definitely a wasted season to me.

  If you think you were going to get enough of a return to be favorites against the Heat you're kidding yourself. Wasted trade proposal?

Re: Do nothing
« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2013, 09:47:03 AM »

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Doing nothing would be a 3rd wasted season in a row... we'd be too good to tank for Wiggins and too bad to contend.  Sitting ducks.   And Avery Bradley and SUllinger and nowhere near the bluechip prospects some Celtic fans assume they are.

As KG and Pierce degrade... so too will our team.  So then you have a team that isn't contending and isn't getting closer to contending.  THat's a problem.

In 2012 we were 5 wins away from an NBA title. That is not a "wasted season".

Standards are different from person to person.

I´ve said we´d lose against the Heat, and we lost against the Heat. For me personally, that sounds like a wasted season.

If you want to get something in return for your aging stars, the trick is to do it before their value declines, not afterwards.

Yep, most definitely a wasted season to me.

So absurd.

Get used to more and more "wasted seasons".

Might as well not even watch until we are up 10 with a minute left in a championship series clinching game.

I was a lot more dissapointed in our "wasted seasons" of being a perrenial laughing stock of the league while supposedly acquiring young talent like ryan gomes, sebastian telfair, gerald green etc. Like it would be that hard to acquire guys like that and still maintain a decent team

Re: Do nothing
« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2013, 09:56:37 AM »

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So absurd.

Get used to more and more "wasted seasons".

Might as well not even watch until we are up 10 with a minute left in a championship series clinching game.

I was a lot more dissapointed in our "wasted seasons" of being a perrenial laughing stock of the league while supposedly acquiring young talent like ryan gomes, sebastian telfair, gerald green etc. Like it would be that hard to acquire guys like that and still maintain a decent team

I don´t need a history lesson, I was there.

I didn´t think I´ve had to point out how absurd it is to act as if there´s no difference between a young team with no immediate expectations and a team full of experienced all-stars, but apparently, I was wrong.

You know, your opinion would hold a lot more weight if your beliefs would turn out to be true every now and then, but alas, that´s not the case.

You sure you know what absurd means?

In the summer of 2017, I predicted this team would not win a championship for the next 10 years.

3 down, 7 to go.

Re: Do nothing
« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2013, 10:06:17 AM »

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So absurd.

Get used to more and more "wasted seasons".

Might as well not even watch until we are up 10 with a minute left in a championship series clinching game.

I was a lot more dissapointed in our "wasted seasons" of being a perrenial laughing stock of the league while supposedly acquiring young talent like ryan gomes, sebastian telfair, gerald green etc. Like it would be that hard to acquire guys like that and still maintain a decent team

I don´t need a history lesson, I was there.

I didn´t think I´ve had to point out how absurd it is to act as if there´s no difference between a young team with no immediate expectations and a team full of experienced all-stars, but apparently, I was wrong.

You know, your opinion would hold a lot more weight if your beliefs would turn out to be true every now and then, but alas, that´s not the case.

You sure you know what absurd means?

Wasn't our 2010 finals teams one of the oldest teams?

Game 7 of last years ecf was an old team to.

I'd say every now and then my beliefs are accurate.

Your the one that is saying last year is a wasted season. Pretty absurd. Maybe just a bad phrase to use. To me wasted season basically means why did I even bother following basketballl last year.

I mean its funny looking at things in hindsight. We were up 3-2 going into game six. Were you determined that it was a wasted season then? Or all of a sudden 2 days later were you saying that we should have blown it up completely?

Re: Do nothing
« Reply #44 on: May 10, 2013, 06:57:37 PM »

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Although I'm not a fan of blowing it up at all, I'm probably less of a fan of doing nothing.

I guess it all comes down to what happens with PP and KG. If we're going to let PP go and KG decides he ain't going to stick around without PP, then get something for these guys and get it over with!

If these guys are going to stay and we think we have 1 last shot at being contenders, especially with a return of Rondo, then do something with the other guys and bring some guys here that can help get the job done. I'd personally as would a lot of people, would love to see a big man who can actually contribute added at the least.

But to sit and do nothing pretty much means we can expect just about the same outcome as this year. Yeah, we get Rondo back but PP and KG get another year older too and pretty much cancel each other out.

So I feel like either get something for our guys and move on, or keep our stars and bring in some real help and give these guys 1 more real go at it. I'm not saying what should be done (who for who) but....

I would feel it is a failure by Danny to do absolutely nothing.
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