How much would you pay for a player with 2012/13 avgs: 18.6pts, 6.3rebs, 4.8ast

[CelticConcourse]

can not   have pierce on the court standing flat footed ,  weak passes, weak shots,  poor dribbling form,   and no handle on the ball.

What ever is wrong....his neck, back, whatever needs fixing.....can't fix it he needs to go or retire.

Fab Melo is more useful than Pierce when he is hurt.

What the ....?
Pierce has been injured all year, yet he's played as well as an All-Star. Words cannot display my thoughts at this very moment.

What.
What.
What.

[SHAQATTACK]

can not   have pierce on the court standing flat footed ,  weak passes, weak shots,  poor dribbling form,   and no handle on the ball.

What ever is wrong....his neck, back, whatever needs fixing.....can't fix it he needs to go or retire.

Fab Melo is more useful than Pierce when he is hurt.

What the ....?
Pierce has been injured all year, yet he's played as well as an All-Star. Words cannot display my thoughts at this very moment.

What.
What.
What.

get off my cloud.... did I attack you ?

I could care less what you think .... its my opinion.  .... my boy

peace

[kgainez]

I have absolutely no problem with bringing Pierce and KG back...I also have no problem with moving on from both. Tough to make a decision when we don't know the current options.

That being said, I'd much rather root for PP and KG until the wheels fall completely off then root for a lotto team and hope we get lucky.

So would we rather enter the playoffs again next year only to be bounced out in the first round or should Ainge seriously consider a rebuild/overhaul of this team?

It's not just about paying Pierce.  It's about building a championship contender and the long term picture.

i agree
long term picture
Paul is great. Has been great. But for $15 mil, that can end up being a lot for a team that's not even a contender and had surprise success last season. we are not winning a championship with Paul and KG being options #1 and #2. I don't care how much help you get unless you're getting a LBJ or KD type.

So then the next q is do u keep the guy on the bench for 15 mil?
What are you willing to get in return for PP? Because in the market, he's not even worth $15mil -- so can you stand to get 50-75% of his dollar value?

[CelticConcourse]

can not   have pierce on the court standing flat footed ,  weak passes, weak shots,  poor dribbling form,   and no handle on the ball.

What ever is wrong....his neck, back, whatever needs fixing.....can't fix it he needs to go or retire.

Fab Melo is more useful than Pierce when he is hurt.

What the ....?
Pierce has been injured all year, yet he's played as well as an All-Star. Words cannot display my thoughts at this very moment.

What.
What.
What.

get off my cloud.... did I attack you ?

I could care less what you think .... its my opinion.  .... my boy

peace

Hey, I'm just disagreeing! Fab Melo will never be more important than Pierce... heck Pierce's jersey sale revenues are worth exponentially more than Melo's salary

[nickagneta]

I have absolutely no problem with bringing Pierce and KG back...I also have no problem with moving on from both. Tough to make a decision when we don't know the current options.

That being said, I'd much rather root for PP and KG until the wheels fall completely off then root for a lotto team and hope we get lucky.

So would we rather enter the playoffs again next year only to be bounced out in the first round or should Ainge seriously consider a rebuild/overhaul of this team?

It's not just about paying Pierce.  It's about building a championship contender and the long term picture.

i agree
long term picture
Paul is great. Has been great. But for $15 mil, that can end up being a lot for a team that's not even a contender and had surprise success last season. we are not winning a championship with Paul and KG being options #1 and #2. I don't care how much help you get unless you're getting a LBJ or KD type.

So then the next q is do u keep the guy on the bench for 15 mil?
What are you willing to get in return for PP? Because in the market, he's not even worth $15mil -- so can you stand to get 50-75% of his dollar value?

That's probably the best you will do, 50-75 cents on the dollar for what Pierce is worth. So for one year, is it better to keep Pierce, no that next year you can't do anything about it and plan the rebuild around financial flexibility that KG and Pierce retiring after next year gives you.

In the mean time, players like Bass, Lee, Terry, Crawford, Williams, Randolph, White all have value. Use them to trade for other expiring contracts and get rid of the long term payroll that this team tied up last off season.

KG and Pierce are not the problem for rebuilding this team. They are only here one more year, tops. Its the salary Danny gave away last year for 2014 and 2015 that will hinder this team rebuilding.

In all honesty, what happens on the court next year is less important than getting the long term payroll off the books.

[CelticG1]

Unless you are netting a great return I don't see the reason to just unload Pierce.

Even if his numbers or eifficiency dropped off (a lot of that probably having to do with no rondo) he is still a better option than so many other options in this league.

I am against letting pierce go or trading him. I admit that may be for selfish reasons as much as any. I just haven't really heard of great scenarios for trades or just letting him go. People may want certain things but doesn't necessairly mean we would get them.

For instance I'd throw up at the proposed Nets trade during the season however the Harison Barnes trade I would def understand.

Neither of those worked outbecause in each case one of the parties backed off.

For me unless you are getting someone in he mold of barnes I can't imagine seeing a good deal for Pierce

[kgainez]

I guess I would rather get rid of an expiring 15 million that can no longer be the star of our offense and get 2-3 decent guys who can be developed into contributions for an impending rebuild.

guess that makes too much sense for sentimental/delusional fans. but whatevs.

[Yogi]

I guess I would rather get rid of an expiring 15 million that can no longer be the star of our offense and get 2-3 decent guys who can be developed into contributions for an impending rebuild.

guess that makes too much sense for sentimental/delusional fans. but whatevs.

No one is handing out valuable assets for Paul Pierce.  What you can expect is Marshon Brooks and Kris Humphries and maybe a second rounder.  Teams like Golden State are not pulling the trigger on trading guys like Harrison Barnes.  Instead of acquiring garbage, it is better to let them play and help our younger guys and do something with the cap space when they retire. 

[jyyzzoel]

for someone with those numbers - it depends what position they played and how good their defense was.

[KGs Knee]

KG and Pierce are not the problem for rebuilding this team. They are only here one more year, tops. Its the salary Danny gave away last year for 2014 and 2015 that will hinder this team rebuilding.

In all honesty, what happens on the court next year is less important than getting the long term payroll off the books.

At least someone gets it.

I've been "pounding the pavement" about this for a while now.  There is just no benefit to trading away Pierce and KG, unless you're getting a star player in return (which ain't happening).

The best move the C's can make, is to trade our dead-weight contracts (Lee/Terry/Bass) and try to parlay Green into something better.   The goal should be to have as much cap space as possible for 2014.

The goal should not be taking on more long-tern salary, just for the sake of a draft pick(s) that may or may not pan out.  Worst comes to worst, we strike out in FA, and then go nuclear with the roster.

[guava_wrench]

I'm on the "run it back" boat. If we're not ready to commit to the free agents available, theres no point in not bringing him back.

I agree with this unless there is a good trade available. I would be fine with a trade for quality young players.

To be honest, I enjoyed 2006-2007 more than this season. I would probably enjoy watching some young guys develop more than watching Pierce and KG trying their best on a team that can only win half its games and gets knocked out of the first round by a highly flawed team. I love Pierce, but it can get sad watching legends pretend they still have a chance to compete.

[Casperian]

Approximately 7.5 units of player value currency.

The logic in the OP is misleading. Nobody trades a young player for an old player with equal production.

Whoever expects equal "value" back in a trade is bound to be disappointed. We´re long past the point at which we can expect them to net a piece in return which could accelerate our rebuilding process.

You trade them to create space to build new values, that´s all.

...'Cause the old ones ain´t cutting it.

[chambers]

People are missing the point that keeping Paul Pierce isn't just about the 15 million...it's about him making us a better team and thus hurting our chances in the NBA draft.
We aren't winning anything with him on board, but we go from being a bottom 6 team to a top 14 team... I'm not sure if he does have a decent trade value but to be honest I'd rather dump him to help us in the long run.

Imagine if we could get another first rounder AND get worse as we approach one of the strongest NBA drafts in a decade which also coincides with an amazing 2015 free agent market...

In a perfect world we could send pierce to Dallas or Minnesota with KG and ask either of them for a lottery pick ( they both have one) and some bad contracts if we have to.
That way we are much closer to the next banner hanging in the rafters and our future looks better already.
Yes it's personal opinion, some would rather watch KG and PP one more year and that's okay, this is just mine and other fans and opinion....the notion being that every year we run it back, we are a year further away from being a contender.

[chambers]

Approximately 7.5 units of player value currency.

The logic in the OP is misleading. Nobody trades a young player for an old player with equal production.

Whoever expects equal "value" back in a trade is bound to be disappointed. We´re long past the point at which we can expect them to net a piece in return which could accelerate our rebuilding process.

You trade them to create space to build new values, that´s all.

...'Cause the old ones ain´t cutting it.

That's not necessarily true.
If moving KG and Pierce meant getting back a lottery pick that would accelerate the rebuilding process.
It's what Danny wanted from the Nets when they wanted Pierce- Nets said no.

I wonder if Dallas doesn't end up signing Dwight or CP3 if they decide to go for a one or two season run to finish Nowitzki's career? They've got a late lottery pick and some decent young assets.

ie:

Pierce + Garnett
for
J.Craeder
Lottery pick
Shawn Marion

That's a win for us. Just need the right team and the right situation.

[Casperian]

That's not necessarily true.
If moving KG and Pierce meant getting back a lottery pick that would accelerate the rebuilding process.
It's what Danny wanted from the Nets when they wanted Pierce- Nets said no.

You´re preaching to the choir, but I fear a late lottery pick ain´t cutting it, either.