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KG: C's need changes
« on: May 04, 2013, 05:42:03 PM »

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Kevin Garnett said that the Celtics need to change their roster in the offseason.


BOSTON -- If you're looking for a sugar-coated tale, Kevin Garnett is not the one to tell you that story.

You want the truth?

He'll give it you, and then some.

That's why it should come as no surprise that as much as he loved playing with his teammates this past season, he understands changes have to be made if the C's are to rejoin the pack of elite NBA teams.

"I think we need some additions," Garnett said following Boston's 88-80 Game 6 loss to the New York Knicks. "Health hit us pretty hard this year and I'm sure they're gonna address that."

On Jan. 25, the Celtics lost All-Star Rajon Rondo for the season to a torn right ACL injury. Less than a week later, Jared Sullinger underwent back surgery and like Rondo, he, too, was lost for the season.

When you throw in Leandro Barbosa sustaining a season-ending torn ACL injury on Feb. 11, all of a sudden you have an image of a team that was never whole which was at the heart of why they were so inconsistent.

Garnett, having just completed his 18th NBA season, was among the Celtics to miss games because of injuries.

But in the playoffs, there wasn't a single Celtics player who performed at as high a level, or as consistently, as Garnett who will be 37 later this month.

That said, it's still not a given that he will be back next season despite signing a three-year, $36 million contract last year.

The return of Paul Pierce -- the Celtics can buy him out for $5 million and are seriously considering doing so -- would certainly enhance the likelihood that Garnett will return instead of retire.

Still, it would also bode well for the C's to put together a roster that can compete with the NBA's best, and one that doesn't rely so heavily on Garnett.

The C's best route to do that will be through trades, with most of the players on the roster this season on the books for at least another couple seasons.

And the short-term deals that the Celtics have are with players who didn't make much money, which means their departure does little in terms of enhancing the C's salary cap flexibility.

That's why in all likelihood, the Celtics will once again look to add a veteran big man for the veteran's minimum just as they did with Chris Wilcox, Darko Milicic and Jason Collins.

Wilcox is unlikely to be back next season, while Milicic left the team in November and Collins had to be included in the trade with Washington for Jordan Crawford - a deal Boston had to swing after losing Barbosa.

Garnett may be nearing the end of his career, but he proved in the first round of the playoffs that he still has a lot to offer the game basketball-wise.

To get Garnett to the postseason healthy enough to compete at a high level, the Celtics had to sacrifice games in the regular season in which his minutes were limited or he didn't play at all.

And the players that Boston leaned on to fill that void, came nowhere close to providing all or even some of the many intangibles that Garnett brings to the game.

Nobody expects the C's to find a Garnett clone out there on the free agent market.

That guy doesn't exist.

The bigs that the Celtics used at times this season -- Wilcox, Collins and Shavlik Randolph -- simply failed to provide the kind of consistent play needed from a backup center.

Garnett isn't the only one who believes the C's are in need of bolstering its roster.

Coach Doc Rivers echoed Garnett's sentiments following the loss on Friday.

"We need more," Rivers said. "But the key is, for us, you know, do you want to take away to get more? That will be a decision that will be made later."


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Re: KG: C's need changes
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2013, 06:12:22 PM »

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Re: KG: C's need changes
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2013, 06:22:12 PM »

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It really seems like he's coming back!

I think it all depends on what they do with Pierce.

Re: KG: C's need changes
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2013, 06:30:55 PM »

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Honestly if we could Sign Al Jefferson, or Josh Smith, and restructure KG/Pierce contracts. Try to get rid of Bass/Terry's contracts also to free up space, or to even trade for any picks or players with potential.

Give KG/Pierce ONLY 20 minutes! Bring back Shav, at the most he'll be a 5-10 minutes good hustling, quick rebounding, and assertive C/PF. Bring back T-Will, and get rid of Wilcox/DJ White/Crawford,(try to add him as a trade piece.)

Or if Perkins get amnestied, try to pick him up. I'm pretty sure he misses being fed easy buckets, and being set up by KG.

Start: Rondo, Bradley, Green, KG, Jefferson. 

PG: Rondo/T-Will
SG: Avery Bradley/Lee
SF: Jeff Green/Paul Pierce
PF: KG/Sully/Shav
C: Perkins or Jefferson/Fab Melo/16th pick.

Let KG go back to PF, which we have abundance of to choose from. KG has mentioned he likes Shav's hustle, so he definitely respects him.

At the worst we could try to grab Mozgov, and send over Terry or Bass, etc. Nuggets need more veteran leadership, and Bass is a pretty decent isolation defender, although undersized for his position.

I honestly love this team. We had no Rondo, and no Sully who was proving out to be the biggest steal of the draft. Back problems are easily fixable, and Sullinger will work hard to overcome any problems.

I don't care if we don't win any championships... Pierce never gave up on this team, and neither should you. I with confidence believe if we can get a cheaper contract on KG/Pierce, with addition of Jefferson or any decent big, and space out enough rest in increments for KG/Pierce that we can win one next year.

I never ever grew up watching the Larry Bird era. But I did watch the Big 3 ERA of KG/Ray/Pierce. Even if Ray left, I still think of him as a big part of the ERA. I've shed tears in 2009, at the KG injury, and knew that year wasn't our time.

Watching the game last night and seeing the fire in them, sparked something else within me too. Danny needs to think long and hard. Paul Pierce and KG aren't superstars, but their easily still better than most players in the league if utilized correctly.

I do think Doc should stay, but he needs to learn to give rookies and new comers a chance to play. Fab Melo should've been used more in games despite his obvious deficiencies. Although our roster didn't perform as well as expected, it was young and youthful. Not to mention due to all the injuries, have been on and off our game. We need to bolster our young role players with confidence and knowledge. KG/Pierce have enough valuable information and knowledge of the game, that anyone would be a fool not to listen to 'em.

I could care less about a trophy. Watching KG/Pierce three times in my life was a blessing. I would've gone to see them more if things in my life hadn't come up.

I would gladly lose for two years if it meant I could see them play again.

We need changes. And good ones. Isn't it right that if KG/Pierce feel confident enough to wish them the best?

A championship I don't care about. We have a lot. Watching KG and Pierce play one more time with a healthy Rondo/Sully, and better roster changes in the offseason will be worth it all in my book.

I bleed green. If KG wants to try again, then I'm rooting for them to win it all.


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Re: KG: C's need changes
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2013, 07:53:10 PM »

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the more Pierce and KG talk, the more I'm ready to let them go.

Again, I say, on paper, DA did a fair job. We haven't had a back up PG for Rondo in forever. It's not a big deal until he goes down for an injury. We didn't have a real big last year, but still got to the ECF. Then DA brought in pieces for cheap, which just happened to get njured or not played, which left us in a pickle.

The addition of Sully and Rondo next year immediately makes us better. Keeping and DEVELOPING T-Will in the offseason instantly makes us better.

In the meantime, PP, KG and even Doc are acting like they are playing for EACH OTHER and not for the CELTICS team. I'm not the biggest fan of that and quite frankly, I think it's holding the entire organization back.  Let them go. We will suck for a while, but I think, with the pieces we have and some good additions, we will be fine.

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Re: KG: C's need changes
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2013, 08:35:33 PM »

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the more Pierce and KG talk, the more I'm ready to let them go.

Again, I say, on paper, DA did a fair job. We haven't had a back up PG for Rondo in forever. It's not a big deal until he goes down for an injury. We didn't have a real big last year, but still got to the ECF. Then DA brought in pieces for cheap, which just happened to get njured or not played, which left us in a pickle.

The addition of Sully and Rondo next year immediately makes us better. Keeping and DEVELOPING T-Will in the offseason instantly makes us better.

In the meantime, PP, KG and even Doc are acting like they are playing for EACH OTHER and not for the CELTICS team. I'm not the biggest fan of that and quite frankly, I think it's holding the entire organization back.  Let them go. We will suck for a while, but I think, with the pieces we have and some good additions, we will be fine.
You and others like you are the reason we are going to break the NBA record in sucking next year if Pierce and KG leave.
Rondo won't be at full for much of next year.
Without Pierce and KG, you want Jeff Green to take this team to the playoffs? Are you serious?

You just being delusional.

So two guys who are probably among the two most loyal players of all time, you want them to go because they are not dropping 30 every game and because you like watching Jeff Green more and think he is cooler?

Wow, I am speechless.

Re: KG: C's need changes
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2013, 10:00:48 PM »

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the more Pierce and KG talk, the more I'm ready to let them go.

Again, I say, on paper, DA did a fair job. We haven't had a back up PG for Rondo in forever. It's not a big deal until he goes down for an injury. We didn't have a real big last year, but still got to the ECF. Then DA brought in pieces for cheap, which just happened to get njured or not played, which left us in a pickle.

The addition of Sully and Rondo next year immediately makes us better. Keeping and DEVELOPING T-Will in the offseason instantly makes us better.

In the meantime, PP, KG and even Doc are acting like they are playing for EACH OTHER and not for the CELTICS team. I'm not the biggest fan of that and quite frankly, I think it's holding the entire organization back.  Let them go. We will suck for a while, but I think, with the pieces we have and some good additions, we will be fine.
You and others like you are the reason we are going to break the NBA record in sucking next year if Pierce and KG leave.
Rondo won't be at full for much of next year.
Without Pierce and KG, you want Jeff Green to take this team to the playoffs? Are you serious?

You just being delusional.

So two guys who are probably among the two most loyal players of all time, you want them to go because they are not dropping 30 every game and because you like watching Jeff Green more and think he is cooler?

Wow, I am speechless.

you are the one who is delusional if you think PP and KG are going to lead us anywhere besides the 1st or 2nd round.

it's over!

time to rebuild around Rondo,Green, Sully , and Bradley

Re: KG: C's need changes
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2013, 11:10:26 PM »

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the more Pierce and KG talk, the more I'm ready to let them go.

Again, I say, on paper, DA did a fair job. We haven't had a back up PG for Rondo in forever. It's not a big deal until he goes down for an injury. We didn't have a real big last year, but still got to the ECF. Then DA brought in pieces for cheap, which just happened to get njured or not played, which left us in a pickle.

The addition of Sully and Rondo next year immediately makes us better. Keeping and DEVELOPING T-Will in the offseason instantly makes us better.

In the meantime, PP, KG and even Doc are acting like they are playing for EACH OTHER and not for the CELTICS team. I'm not the biggest fan of that and quite frankly, I think it's holding the entire organization back.  Let them go. We will suck for a while, but I think, with the pieces we have and some good additions, we will be fine.
You and others like you are the reason we are going to break the NBA record in sucking next year if Pierce and KG leave.
Rondo won't be at full for much of next year.
Without Pierce and KG, you want Jeff Green to take this team to the playoffs? Are you serious?

You just being delusional.

So two guys who are probably among the two most loyal players of all time, you want them to go because they are not dropping 30 every game and because you like watching Jeff Green more and think he is cooler?

Wow, I am speechless.

you are the one who is delusional if you think PP and KG are going to lead us anywhere besides the 1st or 2nd round.

it's over!

time to rebuild around Rondo,Green, Sully , and Bradley

First off, I believe that PP and KG could lead the Celtics to the championships, but they no longer have the ability to carry them there. And we don't have enough with Rondo, Green, Sully, and Bradley to rebuild around them. Without another prolific scorer, and a decent center this team is going nowhere.

That said, I think that if we could add a Al Jefferson type, who can score and plays center that would change things. The young guys with the other four, along with PP and KG's leadership could totally become contenders IF Green continues to score 20+ points along with Big Al, and IF Sully and Bradley pick up there games a LOT this summer.

I think that aside from Rondo, the trio of Green, Sully, and Bradley have only shown that they could be pieces for a championship team, and not what is built around. I love those guys, and I think that they could become pretty great players, but they aren't there yet. And without the right pieces to carry the teams scoring load, PP and KG won't be leading them anywhere as the champion hearts of the team.

All I can say is this: I do not envy Danny Ainge this summer. He has a lot of very difficult decisions to make.
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Re: KG: C's need changes
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2013, 11:21:40 PM »

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the more Pierce and KG talk, the more I'm ready to let them go.

Again, I say, on paper, DA did a fair job. We haven't had a back up PG for Rondo in forever. It's not a big deal until he goes down for an injury. We didn't have a real big last year, but still got to the ECF. Then DA brought in pieces for cheap, which just happened to get njured or not played, which left us in a pickle.

The addition of Sully and Rondo next year immediately makes us better. Keeping and DEVELOPING T-Will in the offseason instantly makes us better.

In the meantime, PP, KG and even Doc are acting like they are playing for EACH OTHER and not for the CELTICS team. I'm not the biggest fan of that and quite frankly, I think it's holding the entire organization back.  Let them go. We will suck for a while, but I think, with the pieces we have and some good additions, we will be fine.
You and others like you are the reason we are going to break the NBA record in sucking next year if Pierce and KG leave.
Rondo won't be at full for much of next year.
Without Pierce and KG, you want Jeff Green to take this team to the playoffs? Are you serious?

You just being delusional.

So two guys who are probably among the two most loyal players of all time, you want them to go because they are not dropping 30 every game and because you like watching Jeff Green more and think he is cooler?

Wow, I am speechless.

you are the one who is delusional if you think PP and KG are going to lead us anywhere besides the 1st or 2nd round.

it's over!

time to rebuild around Rondo,Green, Sully , and Bradley
NO, lol, you are delusional.

Anyways, tell me the place where I said "Pierce and KG will lead us."

You guys just want to get rid of PP and KG because they are old. You people are delusional because you think Green will lead us just because he had that one 43 point game against the Heat.

Celtics aren't getting anywhere without the services of PP and KG. This team has continuously posted for several years the worst defensive rating when KG sits on the bench and you want to completely get rid of him?

Are you Do not resort to personal attacks.  Try to make your point without insulting others.?

You are comparing Green to PP? Green is not a superstar and will not be on the same level as that of Pierce. Even if he does, he will never have that championship experience.

Again, are you Do not resort to personal attacks.  Try to make your point without insulting others.?

Rondo, Green, Sully and Bradley all complementary players. Neither one of them is LeBron, Durant or Kobe who can single-handedly dominate and win games for the team. PP and KG don't have to go for us to win. That is the stupidest logic I have heard. Rondo was injured. Sully was injured.

Did you seriously expect us to win it all when we had to change our entire offensive system midway because our starting point guard went down?

Don't give me this "we need to rebuild" nonsense. This team will not rebuild from the draft. You are ignorant if you don't know that you only win in this league by having superstars on your teams. Danny Ainge understands that and that is why we won in 2008.

If we try to rebuild through the draft, we will end up like the Bobcats and Cavaliers. If that is what you want, then you are more of an Do not resort to personal attacks.  Try to make your point without insulting others. than a true fan.

You have to be extremely lucky to do what OKC did and that requires tanking, which we will not do.
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Re: KG: C's need changes
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2013, 11:33:57 PM »

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It really seems like he's coming back!

I think it all depends on what they do with Pierce.

I know this is horrible fate for our beloved capt Pierce....

But would DA trade Pierce to LA for Pau Gasol...... ???


Gasol wants to play Center, he dislikes and doesn't fit MDA ball style, and D12 is in his way ..... LA needs a small forward bad......we need a center

Seems it might help both teams...but yes I would wake up screaming seeing PP in a lakers jersey.   ;D

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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2013, 11:41:20 PM »

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I am calling it now. Pierce will be traded to Dallas for a large trade exception, a possible filler, and their lotto pick.


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Re: KG: C's need changes
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2013, 01:24:33 AM »

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the more Pierce and KG talk, the more I'm ready to let them go.

Again, I say, on paper, DA did a fair job. We haven't had a back up PG for Rondo in forever. It's not a big deal until he goes down for an injury. We didn't have a real big last year, but still got to the ECF. Then DA brought in pieces for cheap, which just happened to get njured or not played, which left us in a pickle.

The addition of Sully and Rondo next year immediately makes us better. Keeping and DEVELOPING T-Will in the offseason instantly makes us better.

In the meantime, PP, KG and even Doc are acting like they are playing for EACH OTHER and not for the CELTICS team. I'm not the biggest fan of that and quite frankly, I think it's holding the entire organization back.  Let them go. We will suck for a while, but I think, with the pieces we have and some good additions, we will be fine.
You and others like you are the reason we are going to break the NBA record in sucking next year if Pierce and KG leave.
Rondo won't be at full for much of next year.
Without Pierce and KG, you want Jeff Green to take this team to the playoffs? Are you serious?

You just being delusional.

So two guys who are probably among the two most loyal players of all time, you want them to go because they are not dropping 30 every game and because you like watching Jeff Green more and think he is cooler?

Wow, I am speechless.

you are the one who is delusional if you think PP and KG are going to lead us anywhere besides the 1st or 2nd round.

it's over!

time to rebuild around Rondo,Green, Sully , and Bradley
NO, lol, you are delusional.

Anyways, tell me the place where I said "Pierce and KG will lead us."

You guys just want to get rid of PP and KG because they are old. You people are delusional because you think Green will lead us just because he had that one 43 point game against the Heat.

Celtics aren't getting anywhere without the services of PP and KG. This team has continuously posted for several years the worst defensive rating when KG sits on the bench and you want to completely get rid of him?

Are you stupid?

You are comparing Green to PP? Green is not a superstar and will not be on the same level as that of Pierce. Even if he does, he will never have that championship experience.

Again, are you stupid?

Rondo, Green, Sully and Bradley all complementary players. Neither one of them is LeBron, Durant or Kobe who can single-handedly dominate and win games for the team. PP and KG don't have to go for us to win. That is the stupidest logic I have heard. Rondo was injured. Sully was injured.

Did you seriously expect us to win it all when we had to change our entire offensive system midway because our starting point guard went down?

Don't give me this "we need to rebuild" nonsense. This team will not rebuild from the draft. You are ignorant if you don't know that you only win in this league by having superstars on your teams. Danny Ainge understands that and that is why we won in 2008.

If we try to rebuild through the draft, we will end up like the Bobcats and Cavaliers. If that is what you want, then you are more of an idiot than a true fan.

You have to be extremely lucky to do what OKC did and that requires tanking, which we will not do.

Then what do you propose?
He's saying if we keep Pierce and KG we are just going to prolong the inevitable re-tool or re-build and they aren't good enough to get us a championship anymore.
Do you think they are good enough to get us a championship?

What is your plan for this team to win banner 18? Because it's 90% not happening with KG and Pierce on this team.
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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2013, 01:29:18 AM »

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I am calling it now. Pierce will be traded to Dallas for a large trade exception, a possible filler, and their lotto pick.

If thats what it comes to then wouldn't be an awful idea. Then if KG wants out can we amnesty him? That would give us a ton of space to go out and get Josh Smith, Dwight, or Big Al.

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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2013, 01:43:42 AM »

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I am calling it now. Pierce will be traded to Dallas for a large trade exception, a possible filler, and their lotto pick.

If thats what it comes to then wouldn't be an awful idea. Then if KG wants out can we amnesty him? That would give us a ton of space to go out and get Josh Smith, Dwight, or Big Al.

Can't amnesty KG.
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