Please Don't Run it back Danny.

[D.o.s.]

I'd like to see Doc take a more aggressive approach to resting Pierce and KG in the regular season, similar to the way that Pop and the Spurs have been able to extend the careers of Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobli.

Did Duncan sit more games than KG? Duncan played more MPG and more games than KG.

Duncan is just much more productive at this point in his career. Changing KG's minutes won't change that. Duncan is viewed by most as always having been the superior player, so it isn't surprising that Duncan is still more productive. His style of play also seems to be more conducive to longevity.

Sure. But you clearly skimmed over the bit where I used the phrase 'similar to.'Pop handed over the Miami game to his bench players and sat all three of his stars. Would Doc be willing to do that? Would Doc be able to do that and still command respect in the locker room?

It seems to be Doc is much closer to Thibs in that department, and there's a reason Chicago is falling apart while San Antonio spent the first round getting Ginobili and Parker back into form.

[bobbyv]

I was against running it back a few days ago but seeing this team and what KG and Pierce (but mostly KG) still had left in the tank made me change my mind : with an healthy team, i.e Rondo and Sully back, and a couple of reinforcements to add depth (and rest the old guys during the season), I think we can go far next year.

Plus, I just don't see an alternative scenario that helps us in the future.

And have a first or 2nd round exit? We want championships. Mediocore teams aren't good enough for championships and aren't bad enough for high draft picks. We are a mediocore team, lets move on.

Congratulations, you won't see even a contender for 5 years, let alone a championship if you rebuild.

It's better then getting knocked out in the first or 2nd round. Once PP or KG are gone which MIGHT be this summer, we will rebuild anyway.

If this team was healthy, I think we would have made it to the ECF for sure.

[LarBrd33]

I'm proud of this team, but seriously lets quit while we're ahead. Paul and KG need to retire or go in some aspect and we need to tank next year. We need to start the rebuild, this whole watching a old PP and KG is just sad at this point.

The 2014 Draft Class is looking to be the best class since 2003. I'd rather suffer through a few crappy seasons watching young talent develop then watch 2 HOFers regress. But thats just me. 

TP.  100% with you.  Nobody likes losing, but most fans are short-sighted.  There's no benefit to letting these guys struggle through another abysmal .500 season, then turn it on in the playoffs only to get knocked out by a contender.   Waste of time.  The NBA is a superstar league.  You only have so many chances to land a superstar.  We're not going to land a superstar struggling through another 41 win season.  Tank... try for Wiggins. Worst-case scenario you acquire young assets for a rebuild.  Folks, if we prolong it 1 season or 2 seasons... inevitably you're going to have these guys leave and inevitably you'll be starting from scratch in lotto hell.  Might as well get the process started now when there's a chance at landing a phenom.  There's no such thing as "reloading on the fly".  Our team was built around a top 5 talent in Kevin Garnett.  He's no longer a top 5 talent and Boston is no longer a contender.  We got a good 3 year window... Time to Start over.

[ItStaysYang]

Please don't run it back.

PLEASE don't run it back. I was skeptical about it last year. 41-40. Maybe even worse when Rondo was in the lineup, weirdly enough.

No more... enough is enough. KG is 37 years old

[EJPLAYA]

I agree 100%. I would argue the vast majority of posters on here are under 30 yrs old (yes I know not everyone) and didn't have to sit there for 22 yrs between championships with some truly dreadful teams along the way. This team is done as constituted. It can not contend with or without Rondo. Also ran and contention are a totally different thing. We are so far below Miami that regrouping and trying again is only a sentimental benefit and will just prolong the pain. I'm for trading Rondo and getting something outside of PG for your core to go with Green, however even if you keep him you have 5 years max before they are on the decline. A list stars do not choose to come to Boston as a free agent and therefore getting lucky in the draft is really the only option outside a Rondo trade. Rondo and Green are good enough to keep you out of the top 5 picks and so we would flounder in mediocrity until they bail on us looking for a championship opportunity or decline to the point where they won't compete even with help. The Celtics don't hang division banners or brag about Eastern Conference Finals appearances. We are about Championships. Win it all or go home. It is time to make bold moves to try and win it all again just like the trades that brought Ray and KG. One more run will just kill the future. Had we not gotten lucky with PP turning out the way he did and slipping to us we'd still be perennial lottery drafters.

[Celtics18]

I'm proud of this team, but seriously lets quit while we're ahead. Paul and KG need to retire or go in some aspect and we need to tank next year. We need to start the rebuild, this whole watching a old PP and KG is just sad at this point.

The 2014 Draft Class is looking to be the best class since 2003. I'd rather suffer through a few crappy seasons watching young talent develop then watch 2 HOFers regress. But thats just me. 

TP.  100% with you.  Nobody likes losing, but most fans are short-sighted.  There's no benefit to letting these guys struggle through another abysmal .500 season, then turn it on in the playoffs only to get knocked out by a contender.   Waste of time.  The NBA is a superstar league.  You only have so many chances to land a superstar.  We're not going to land a superstar struggling through another 41 win season.  Tank... try for Wiggins. Worst-case scenario you acquire young assets for a rebuild.  Folks, if we prolong it 1 season or 2 seasons... inevitably you're going to have these guys leave and inevitably you'll be starting from scratch in lotto hell.  Might as well get the process started now when there's a chance at landing a phenom.  There's no such thing as "reloading on the fly".  Our team was built around a top 5 talent in Kevin Garnett.  He's no longer a top 5 talent and Boston is no longer a contender.  We got a good 3 year window... Time to Start over.

There is such a thing as reloading on the fly.  We are in the middle of it.  And, there's no guarantee that getting rid of Pierce and Garnett gets us into the lottery anyway.

[JHTruth]

I'm proud of this team, but seriously lets quit while we're ahead. Paul and KG need to retire or go in some aspect and we need to tank next year. We need to start the rebuild, this whole watching a old PP and KG is just sad at this point.

The 2014 Draft Class is looking to be the best class since 2003. I'd rather suffer through a few crappy seasons watching young talent develop then watch 2 HOFers regress. But thats just me. 

TP.  100% with you.  Nobody likes losing, but most fans are short-sighted.  There's no benefit to letting these guys struggle through another abysmal .500 season, then turn it on in the playoffs only to get knocked out by a contender.   Waste of time.  The NBA is a superstar league.  You only have so many chances to land a superstar.  We're not going to land a superstar struggling through another 41 win season.  Tank... try for Wiggins. Worst-case scenario you acquire young assets for a rebuild.  Folks, if we prolong it 1 season or 2 seasons... inevitably you're going to have these guys leave and inevitably you'll be starting from scratch in lotto hell.  Might as well get the process started now when there's a chance at landing a phenom.  There's no such thing as "reloading on the fly".  Our team was built around a top 5 talent in Kevin Garnett.  He's no longer a top 5 talent and Boston is no longer a contender.  We got a good 3 year window... Time to Start over.

There is such a thing as reloading on the fly.  We are in the middle of it.  And, there's no guarantee that getting rid of Pierce and Garnett gets us into the lottery anyway.

Oh we'll be in the lottery no question about that. Without KG on the floor we were one of the worst defensive teams in the league. And then you take away the No. 1 scoring option from a 7 seed in the East. Oh we'll be in the lotter don't worry about that

[bobbyv]

I'm proud of this team, but seriously lets quit while we're ahead. Paul and KG need to retire or go in some aspect and we need to tank next year. We need to start the rebuild, this whole watching a old PP and KG is just sad at this point.

The 2014 Draft Class is looking to be the best class since 2003. I'd rather suffer through a few crappy seasons watching young talent develop then watch 2 HOFers regress. But thats just me. 

TP.  100% with you.  Nobody likes losing, but most fans are short-sighted.  There's no benefit to letting these guys struggle through another abysmal .500 season, then turn it on in the playoffs only to get knocked out by a contender.   Waste of time.  The NBA is a superstar league.  You only have so many chances to land a superstar.  We're not going to land a superstar struggling through another 41 win season.  Tank... try for Wiggins. Worst-case scenario you acquire young assets for a rebuild.  Folks, if we prolong it 1 season or 2 seasons... inevitably you're going to have these guys leave and inevitably you'll be starting from scratch in lotto hell.  Might as well get the process started now when there's a chance at landing a phenom.  There's no such thing as "reloading on the fly".  Our team was built around a top 5 talent in Kevin Garnett.  He's no longer a top 5 talent and Boston is no longer a contender.  We got a good 3 year window... Time to Start over.

There is such a thing as reloading on the fly.  We are in the middle of it.  And, there's no guarantee that getting rid of Pierce and Garnett gets us into the lottery anyway.

Exactly, and even if we do get into the lottery, it's exactly that, a lottery. Sure, we may get a decent pick, but what's the chance of it being a Superstar? Some people think rebuilding turns you into OKC. OKC got extremely lucky. We're much more likely to turn into the Orlando Magic or Hornets or Kings rather than OKC.

[BASS_THUMPER]

LOL..wow
thread titles..

"what will we do"
"where do we go from here..?"
"..Danny..blow it up..whats next..?

no one knows what to do..
we got what we need

our only problem was injuries

a healthy Sully and Rondo would have got it done..

and yes..im fom the after Bird
Dino Radja....20pt 10reb..top 5 fav Celtic

i been thru it.

we have all we need.

the way some off you think
you would be the GM of the teams that play the
Harlem Globetrotters.

talent aint like it use to be..be real

[JHTruth]

I'm proud of this team, but seriously lets quit while we're ahead. Paul and KG need to retire or go in some aspect and we need to tank next year. We need to start the rebuild, this whole watching a old PP and KG is just sad at this point.

The 2014 Draft Class is looking to be the best class since 2003. I'd rather suffer through a few crappy seasons watching young talent develop then watch 2 HOFers regress. But thats just me. 

TP.  100% with you.  Nobody likes losing, but most fans are short-sighted.  There's no benefit to letting these guys struggle through another abysmal .500 season, then turn it on in the playoffs only to get knocked out by a contender.   Waste of time.  The NBA is a superstar league.  You only have so many chances to land a superstar.  We're not going to land a superstar struggling through another 41 win season.  Tank... try for Wiggins. Worst-case scenario you acquire young assets for a rebuild.  Folks, if we prolong it 1 season or 2 seasons... inevitably you're going to have these guys leave and inevitably you'll be starting from scratch in lotto hell.  Might as well get the process started now when there's a chance at landing a phenom.  There's no such thing as "reloading on the fly".  Our team was built around a top 5 talent in Kevin Garnett.  He's no longer a top 5 talent and Boston is no longer a contender.  We got a good 3 year window... Time to Start over.

There is such a thing as reloading on the fly.  We are in the middle of it.  And, there's no guarantee that getting rid of Pierce and Garnett gets us into the lottery anyway.

Exactly, and even if we do get into the lottery, it's exactly that, a lottery. Sure, we may get a decent pick, but what's the chance of it being a Superstar? Some people think rebuilding turns you into OKC. OKC got extremely lucky. We're much more likely to turn into the Orlando Magic or Hornets or Kings rather than OKC.

Whhhaaaaa?? You're talking about a SEVEN SEED IN THE EAST that would lose the heart of its defense and the no.1 offensive option. We will be horrific. Question is what are our other options. Compare options, not ideal scenarios

[alley oop]

Green’s not going back to the bench next season, so Pierce would have to come off the bench if he stayed. That’s not happening, so he’s gone. If Pierce is gone, so is Garnett and Doc.

[guava_wrench]

I'd like to see Doc take a more aggressive approach to resting Pierce and KG in the regular season, similar to the way that Pop and the Spurs have been able to extend the careers of Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobli.

Did Duncan sit more games than KG? Duncan played more MPG and more games than KG.

Duncan is just much more productive at this point in his career. Changing KG's minutes won't change that. Duncan is viewed by most as always having been the superior player, so it isn't surprising that Duncan is still more productive. His style of play also seems to be more conducive to longevity.

Sure. But you clearly skimmed over the bit where I used the phrase 'similar to.'Pop handed over the Miami game to his bench players and sat all three of his stars. Would Doc be willing to do that? Would Doc be able to do that and still command respect in the locker room?

It seems to be Doc is much closer to Thibs in that department, and there's a reason Chicago is falling apart while San Antonio spent the first round getting Ginobili and Parker back into form.

I addressed the main point. Doc already did that with KG, and KG still ran out of gas!

Doc already does sit Pierce and KG for games for rest. Why are you asking questions when we already know the answers?

You also missed the big difference between San Antonio and Boston. The Spurs are a top team. We were a borderline playoff team.

[bobbyv]

I'm proud of this team, but seriously lets quit while we're ahead. Paul and KG need to retire or go in some aspect and we need to tank next year. We need to start the rebuild, this whole watching a old PP and KG is just sad at this point.

The 2014 Draft Class is looking to be the best class since 2003. I'd rather suffer through a few crappy seasons watching young talent develop then watch 2 HOFers regress. But thats just me. 

TP.  100% with you.  Nobody likes losing, but most fans are short-sighted.  There's no benefit to letting these guys struggle through another abysmal .500 season, then turn it on in the playoffs only to get knocked out by a contender.   Waste of time.  The NBA is a superstar league.  You only have so many chances to land a superstar.  We're not going to land a superstar struggling through another 41 win season.  Tank... try for Wiggins. Worst-case scenario you acquire young assets for a rebuild.  Folks, if we prolong it 1 season or 2 seasons... inevitably you're going to have these guys leave and inevitably you'll be starting from scratch in lotto hell.  Might as well get the process started now when there's a chance at landing a phenom.  There's no such thing as "reloading on the fly".  Our team was built around a top 5 talent in Kevin Garnett.  He's no longer a top 5 talent and Boston is no longer a contender.  We got a good 3 year window... Time to Start over.

There is such a thing as reloading on the fly.  We are in the middle of it.  And, there's no guarantee that getting rid of Pierce and Garnett gets us into the lottery anyway.

Exactly, and even if we do get into the lottery, it's exactly that, a lottery. Sure, we may get a decent pick, but what's the chance of it being a Superstar? Some people think rebuilding turns you into OKC. OKC got extremely lucky. We're much more likely to turn into the Orlando Magic or Hornets or Kings rather than OKC.

Whhhaaaaa?? You're talking about a SEVEN SEED IN THE EAST that would lose the heart of its defense and the no.1 offensive option. We will be horrific. Question is what are our other options. Compare options, not ideal scenarios

I'm being realistic. We won't be bad enough to get a top 5 draft pick. Bobcats will be worse, Orlando will be worse, Cleveland will probably be worse, Phoenix and Kings.

[PaulPierce34G]

Let's just move on.  I respect the opposing opinions on this matter for sure. 

Believe me, it's really hit me that this could be it for this era of Celtics basketball and that this could be it for Pierce in Celtic green.  He's been my favorite player from day 1.  But I don't want to be a mediocre team, waste Rondo's best years, etc. just to sit and get bounced every season in the 1st or 2nd round.  The team has slowly regressed from when the core was brought together in 07-08.  It's not going to win the NBA Finals anytime soon...sorry, it's just not.  I think the problem goes deeper than just needing 1 or 2 extra guys.  I think it's time to break everything down, make whatever moves you can (drafting/trades, etc) and stockpile for the future to eventually make that big deal where you can go from nothing to something, which is basically what happened with the acquisitions of Allen and Garnett back in the summer of 2007.

At some point, the team is going to have to rebuild, it's just fact.  I'd rather just get it out of the way/get it going now, than just prolonging the inevitable.  We're just putting a band-aid on a wound, rather than actually treating it, if you will.  It's time to actually treat it, IMO.  I've definitely enjoyed this era, as the team suffered for many years (with the exceptions of the early 2000's playoff appearances, but those were flukes), and to be able to have had some real winning basketball in Boston again has been great, but I don't want to get back to that level of making short-lived playoff appearances or only making it far in the playoffs because, for example, D. Rose got injured, or this guy broke his ankle so his team went down with him.  Last season's run to the ECF was probably more luck than anything due to a number of factors.  It's time to truly rebuild and start putting together a legitimate contender that can rely on itself to make it deep into the post-season for a good 5 or 6 years, rather than relying on extenuating circumstances. 

Get this process out of the way so it's over and done with.  If we keep prolonging it, 2-3 years from now, people will be saying, "I wish we had rebuilt a few years ago because we'd probably have been doing X, Y, Z right now." 

[LarBrd33]

I'm proud of this team, but seriously lets quit while we're ahead. Paul and KG need to retire or go in some aspect and we need to tank next year. We need to start the rebuild, this whole watching a old PP and KG is just sad at this point.

The 2014 Draft Class is looking to be the best class since 2003. I'd rather suffer through a few crappy seasons watching young talent develop then watch 2 HOFers regress. But thats just me. 

TP.  100% with you.  Nobody likes losing, but most fans are short-sighted.  There's no benefit to letting these guys struggle through another abysmal .500 season, then turn it on in the playoffs only to get knocked out by a contender.   Waste of time.  The NBA is a superstar league.  You only have so many chances to land a superstar.  We're not going to land a superstar struggling through another 41 win season.  Tank... try for Wiggins. Worst-case scenario you acquire young assets for a rebuild.  Folks, if we prolong it 1 season or 2 seasons... inevitably you're going to have these guys leave and inevitably you'll be starting from scratch in lotto hell.  Might as well get the process started now when there's a chance at landing a phenom.  There's no such thing as "reloading on the fly".  Our team was built around a top 5 talent in Kevin Garnett.  He's no longer a top 5 talent and Boston is no longer a contender.  We got a good 3 year window... Time to Start over.

There is such a thing as reloading on the fly.  We are in the middle of it.  And, there's no guarantee that getting rid of Pierce and Garnett gets us into the lottery anyway.

Exactly, and even if we do get into the lottery, it's exactly that, a lottery. Sure, we may get a decent pick, but what's the chance of it being a Superstar? Some people think rebuilding turns you into OKC. OKC got extremely lucky. We're much more likely to turn into the Orlando Magic or Hornets or Kings rather than OKC.

Whhhaaaaa?? You're talking about a SEVEN SEED IN THE EAST that would lose the heart of its defense and the no.1 offensive option. We will be horrific. Question is what are our other options. Compare options, not ideal scenarios

I'm being realistic. We won't be bad enough to get a top 5 draft pick. Bobcats will be worse, Orlando will be worse, Cleveland will probably be worse, Phoenix and Kings.

If we lost KG and Pierce... this team wouldn't be a playoff team.  Green and Rondo would probably be enough to help us win 15-38 wins.   We may need to consider moving those guys for draft picks/young talent and going full-blown rebuild/tank.  Green and Rondo are in their prime... if they are your 3rd and 4th best players, you have a chance at being pretty good... but there's zero chance we land two guys better than them.  Best move is to dump everyone and start acquiring young assets.