Revisiting the Perk for Green trade......

[Kane3387]

 Presti grew up a celtics fan and admired the unselfishness with which our starting five played with. He likes dealing with and folliwing the organization. Its a dirty secret but ainges job is the only one He would even consider leaving okc for. Well that was in 2010.

They wanted perks toughness, defensive intensity, and championship experience. Sam wanted that voice that said that sacrifice is what wins and I know what I'm talking about bc I was a part of it.

Perk saw the big three sacrifice here in Boston to win. Presti wanted kd Russ James and serge to do the same. He believed perk could really help in creating that culture. He also anticipated Dwight for Bynum and saw perks defense on Dwight as a future asset to the teams success.

Also the team wanted serge to start. And at PF. Green and Krstic were the starters while serge and nick were the backups.

I mean it was the perfect storm for DA bc no one else in the NBA was moving a former fifth overall pick still on his rookie deal, a potential lottery pick, and an expiring contract for an extra year of Robinson and perks current knee and contract situations. Only okc was willing too bc of what I said above.

[badshar]

I 'm a Perk fan , but he was worthless last night against Houston.  Fab Melo could actually done more I believe.  Perk moved like he is 95 years old.

If we had just kept Perk the rest of that year , then traded I'd been more happy.

Water under the bridge now and better off with Green.


OKC had kept Green and Hardin , they would be unstoppable .

Uhm, there is a reason OKC and their frontline was consistently getting destroyed. The year Perkins came, Thunder went to WCF, next year they went straight to the finals where Scott Brooks completely demolished the point and the use of having a big man and this year they were supposed to go straight to the finals again until Westbrook went down.

Before Perkins, they were consistently a first or second round exit team.

So Perkins - not the development of Durant and/or Westbrook - elevated the Thunder to a championship contender?

Over the years on this board, I've seen the skills of any number of "beloved" Celtics conflated beyond logic.

But this one is an all-timer.

Wow. Just wow.

  Adding a center to the Thunder's starting lineup and moving Ibaka to pf instead of Ibaka trying to play center with Green as the pf made a big difference in OKC's lineup. It's about lineup dynamics, not the individual skill of Perkins.

  Kind of like in 2012 when the Celts (not both at once) moved Bass and Bradley into the lineup ahead of JO and Ray. Bass and AB made a big difference in the lineup, but not because they were great players. The lineup of Rondo with PP/KG/RA/JO was simply too old and unathletic to compete with the better teams in the league. Moving AB and Bass into the lineup allowed the Celts to become more competitive athletically while still keeping KG and PP in the starting lineup.

  So rest easy, that post wasn't a once in a lifetime level of overestimating Perk's skills, it's you not understanding his point.

Thank you for understanding me and trying to convey the message.

[rondohondo]

Trading Perk didn't cost us a championship

That is the most ridiculous thing ever .

Rondo dislocated his elbow, no way Perk would have lifted us past them .

I think Perk definitely has a role in the NBA, but much rather have Green at 9 mil per year

Plus Perk might get bought out this off-season , he could be back next year?

[LooseCannon]

Maybe some people believe the argument that Dirty Dwyane wouldn't have the stones to injure Rondo if he had fear of retribution from Perk.

[BballTim]

I 'm a Perk fan , but he was worthless last night against Houston.  Fab Melo could actually done more I believe.  Perk moved like he is 95 years old.

If we had just kept Perk the rest of that year , then traded I'd been more happy.

Water under the bridge now and better off with Green.


OKC had kept Green and Hardin , they would be unstoppable .

Uhm, there is a reason OKC and their frontline was consistently getting destroyed. The year Perkins came, Thunder went to WCF, next year they went straight to the finals where Scott Brooks completely demolished the point and the use of having a big man and this year they were supposed to go straight to the finals again until Westbrook went down.

Before Perkins, they were consistently a first or second round exit team.

So Perkins - not the development of Durant and/or Westbrook - elevated the Thunder to a championship contender?

Over the years on this board, I've seen the skills of any number of "beloved" Celtics conflated beyond logic.

But this one is an all-timer.

Wow. Just wow.

  Adding a center to the Thunder's starting lineup and moving Ibaka to pf instead of Ibaka trying to play center with Green as the pf made a big difference in OKC's lineup. It's about lineup dynamics, not the individual skill of Perkins.

  Kind of like in 2012 when the Celts (not both at once) moved Bass and Bradley into the lineup ahead of JO and Ray. Bass and AB made a big difference in the lineup, but not because they were great players. The lineup of Rondo with PP/KG/RA/JO was simply too old and unathletic to compete with the better teams in the league. Moving AB and Bass into the lineup allowed the Celts to become more competitive athletically while still keeping KG and PP in the starting lineup.

  So rest easy, that post wasn't a once in a lifetime level of overestimating Perk's skills, it's you not understanding his point.

Thank you for understanding me and trying to convey the message.

  I do what I can.

[CoachBo]

Uh, yeah.

Right.

Can't beat the entertainment on this board.

And the conflation continues ... Keep trying to delude yourselves that Sam Presti didn't get absolutely destroyed in this deal.

 

[BballTim]

Uh, yeah.

Right.

Can't beat the entertainment on this board.

  And apparently, since you can't beat it, you decided to join it.

[CoachBo]

Isn't it about time for you to work Rondo into this thread?

[BballTim]

Isn't it about time for you to work Rondo into this thread?

  No, I'll settle for watching you ridicule posts that you misunderstand.

[badshar]

Uh, yeah.

Right.

Can't beat the entertainment on this board.

And the conflation continues ... Keep trying to delude yourselves that Sam Presti didn't get absolutely destroyed in this deal.

 

Alright, you are now on the "illogical arguers" list.
Welcome, enjoy your stay.

[D.o.s.]

Uh, yeah.

Right.

Can't beat the entertainment on this board.

And the conflation continues ... Keep trying to delude yourselves that Sam Presti didn't get absolutely destroyed in this deal.

 

You're joking, right?

Continued development for Ibaka was the reason OKC traded Green. That's why Presti wouldn't bite on Harden--who wouldn't have helped them clear up their frontcourt.

[Boris Badenov]

It just occurred to me that if someone didn't know anything about basketball and tried to assess importance based solely on word count in this forum over the last few years, he would think that Jeff Green and Kendrick Perkins were the two greatest basketball players in Celtic history.

[NocturnalRebel]

How many times must we revisit tha Perkins trade? It was 2-3 seasons ago.

He was traded when we had tha chance to get another ring. And a lot of fans loved Perkins. So Danny was gonna catch heat anyway whether we think he was wrongfully crucified or not.

I get tha trade tho. And Jeff Green is starting to come around. Danny just needs to find a solid, reliable big man that can stay on this team. Wish we still had Krstic.

[chambers]

People seems to have memory loss regarding this trade.
Perkins was on one leg. He had zero lift, zero lateral movement and resembled more of an extra on 'The Walking Dead' than a starting caliber center on a championship contender.
We got Green to back up an aging Paul Pierce against the Heat and Lebron. We also got Nate Robinson who was pretty good in a few playoff games. We got the piece that made this trade at the time- a landslide victory for the Celtics....Nenad Krstic.

Now unfortunately, fate had us

*losing Jeff Green to a heart ailment later down the track.
*Have Krstic get injured just as he started to 'get' our defensive system.
*Have the lockout occur and lose Krstic to the Euro-league
*lose Shaq permanently
*Have JO injure BREAK his wrist in one of the first games of the playoffs.
*We then lost Rondo's arm to D Wade's steroid abuse/rage.

In the space of 4 months.

A one legged angry pirate named Perkins wasn't taking us ANYWHERE. Myself and other fans of the trade believe it was more important to get a backup SF to relieve Pierce at the time. We had Krstic and Jermaine Oneal AND the hope that Shaq would come back. All three dominos fell and we got extremely unlucky with Rondo going down.

Danny could have waited to sign and trade Perk, but Perk could have also gone down again trying to over-extend himself...really who knows?
To me, saying that trading Perkins cost us a championship is a combination of bitterness and delusion. A string of horrid luck cost us a title.
Would we have beaten the Mavs? Who knows, but Perkins would have had zero to do with it.

[Celtics4ever]

Anyone who is still mad over the trade is silly.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jeff_green/

vs.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kendrick_perkins/

I get the loyalty to Perk think but logically speaking we got the better player hands down.   It is not even close folks.

We complain about Bass's rebounding and presently he is as good as a rebounder as Perk.  Bass almost gets as many blocks and scores more.   We loved Perk but a lot of guys hate on Bass.