Jeff Green is growing up before our eyes!

[Fred Roberts]

It pretty much boils down to Jeff Green + Fab Melo for Perk at this point, right?

Jeff has yet to peak as a player while Perk has seen his best already. Fab Melo is a project, but one with size .. .something we need badly.

Jeff is having his best playoffs yet (20pts, 5rbs, 1blk, 2ast), and I don't feel like he's playing as well as he could or should. He's capable of even more than this, and I expect he'll keep getting better.

Add in that he's a team guy, college grad, upstanding young man and a strong defender. It is and was highway robbery no matter now much it felt like a gut punch at the time. It was a hard move, but the bold move and the right move. Now, if we can get Fab Melo to smahten up a little . .. .

[crimson_stallion]

With the way he is playing right now, Jeff Green for Perk is highway robbery.

Green is playing at a borderline All-Star level over the past 20 or 30 games, while Perk is decent role player at best.

To be honest I think Perk really benefited from his time in Boston, and the move to OKC didn't do him well.  He looked more motivated playing alongside his 'family' in KG, Pierce and Rondo.  Also his bulk, toughness and size did well alongside an athletic big like KG because his lack of mobility was not so much exposed with KG having his back.

Still if anyone asked me whether I'd keep Green or take back the trade...taking Green would be a no brainer.   

The scary thing is that, as another stated above, Green is doing all of this so effortlessly.  He isn't forcing shots and he's scoring at a stupidly high percentage in the last 2/3 of the season.  It's clear that he has nowhere near reached his potential, and could take his game to an entire other level if he played with KG/Pierce/Rondo levels of intensity but right now he's still very must deferring to those guys most of the time. 

[thirstyboots18]

One thing to keep in mind regarding Jeff Green's impact is that he has been covered by Carmelo who is a great defender.

Carmelo isn't a great defender, also Jeff Green has been covered by Shumpert/Kidd/Felton/Smith for long periods when the C's have been "big" with Green/Pierce at the 2/3

Yes.

I think he had Jr Smith on him down the stretch (which is part of why I was yelling at the TV "GIVE IT TO JEFF!!!")

He's done an okay job, but he hasn't been a big difference maker, when he's had the ball the Knicks have been able to shut down his strong hand and prevent any playmaking (or drives) to easily.

He's been solid, but solid players don't make your team great.

Depends on how you look at it.  Personally, I feel a solid player who shows flashes of superior play is a better bet than a flashy player who only occasionally shows up.  (Although I am glad that JET finally did show up,  ).  A team needs good solid players who don't hurt the team, in order to make a decent run.

[indeedproceed]

One thing to keep in mind regarding Jeff Green's impact is that he has been covered by Carmelo who is a great defender.

Carmelo isn't a great defender, also Jeff Green has been covered by Shumpert/Kidd/Felton/Smith for long periods when the C's have been "big" with Green/Pierce at the 2/3

Yes.

I think he had Jr Smith on him down the stretch (which is part of why I was yelling at the TV "GIVE IT TO JEFF!!!")

He's done an okay job, but he hasn't been a big difference maker, when he's had the ball the Knicks have been able to shut down his strong hand and prevent any playmaking (or drives) to easily.

He's been solid, but solid players don't make your team great.

Depends on how you look at it.  Personally, I feel a solid player who shows flashes of superior play is a better bet than a flashy player who only occasionally shows up.  (Although I am glad that JET finally did show up,  ).  A team needs good solid players who don't hurt the team, in order to make a decent run.

I think you're misunderstanding what he's saying. "Flashy" seems to imply that a person is capable of spectacular plays, without regard for consistency. Solid implies a consistent if ultimately underwhelming effort.

A 'Flashy' player can be solid, or not. Jeff Green (to me) has been both 'flashy' and 'solid', but not 'Special'.

[LB3533]

Jeff Green has been our most productive + consistent player in the playoffs. He's leading our team in scoring and it is arguable by many that Jeff could STILL be playing better.

For a player that many perceive as a #3 or #4 best player on a championship team....what else do we want from him? Drop 43 every game? Chuck shots like Melo or JR Smith?

[get_banners]

Let's not go nuts here. Green never shut down Lebron. Ever. He showed flashes of being able to play the type of defense that makes Lebron work really hard for his, but that's a lot different than shutting him down.

What you have to do with Lebron is limit his touches and force his outside game. Green can definitely do that and make Lebron work hard offensively as well as defensively. That is very key. That is why Pierce was so successful against Lebron over the years.

Nobody really shuts down Lebron, especially not now. Jeff makes Lebron work hard on every possession, and is as good as anyone in the league at doing that.

[snively]

I like that Jeff has been able to sustain his efficiency offensively.  Hitting 3's, taking advantage of opportunities in transition.  Establishing himself as a sort of 3rd/4th option offensively.

But I don't think his offensive ceiling extends beyond that.

And it's frustrating to see the rest of his game stagnate - still a solid but unexceptional man defender at the 3, a soft man defender at the 4, a decent help defender and a weak/uninspired rebounder at any position.

All that said, I'm happy with his arc this season.  Definitely rehabbed and built on his trade value.  Guys who can score 15+ on solid efficiency, and defend big 3s are valuable commodities in the era of LBJ, KD and Melo.

[get_banners]

What I'm looking forward to is what Jeff is like next year. He'll be 100% by some point next season. He'll also have the offseason to work on inside moves. Right now, he basically just runs to the rim on the right. If he can develop a hook, and some moves shifting right to left inside, he's going to be so much better. Plus...the team trusts him totally by now AND he's comfortable being fairly aggressive. He's unselfish, so I'm not sure he'll ever score enough to be an All-Star, but assuming he keeps improving, he's going to be a fantastic player for us. I said it earlier, but I really see him being similar to Reggie Lewis. Reggie was a better defender (only MJ was better) and had more moves, but Jeff can definitely get to that level. And if he does...man...that would be awesome. Reggie (RIP) was a joy to watch.

[BballTim]

I like that Jeff has been able to sustain his efficiency offensively.  Hitting 3's, taking advantage of opportunities in transition.  Establishing himself as a sort of 3rd/4th option offensively.

But I don't think his offensive ceiling extends beyond that.

  Someone that can give you 17-18 ppg isn't really a 3rd or 4th option unless you're someone like the Heat or the Thunder.

[CelticConcourse]

It pretty much boils down to Jeff Green + Fab Melo for Perk at this point, right?

N8?

[thirstyboots18]

One thing to keep in mind regarding Jeff Green's impact is that he has been covered by Carmelo who is a great defender.

Carmelo isn't a great defender, also Jeff Green has been covered by Shumpert/Kidd/Felton/Smith for long periods when the C's have been "big" with Green/Pierce at the 2/3

Yes.

I think he had Jr Smith on him down the stretch (which is part of why I was yelling at the TV "GIVE IT TO JEFF!!!")

He's done an okay job, but he hasn't been a big difference maker, when he's had the ball the Knicks have been able to shut down his strong hand and prevent any playmaking (or drives) to easily.

He's been solid, but solid players don't make your team great.

Depends on how you look at it.  Personally, I feel a solid player who shows flashes of superior play is a better bet than a flashy player who only occasionally shows up.  (Although I am glad that JET finally did show up,  ).  A team needs good solid players who don't hurt the team, in order to make a decent run.

I think you're misunderstanding what he's saying. "Flashy" seems to imply that a person is capable of spectacular plays, without regard for consistency. Solid implies a consistent if ultimately underwhelming effort.

A 'Flashy' player can be solid, or not. Jeff Green (to me) has been both 'flashy' and 'solid', but not 'Special'.

I was one of the fans who thought the trade for Jeff Green was a mistake, and that his time with the Celtics would be short and disappointing.  I now think I was wrong, and Jeff Green is on the verge of being a very special player...in addition to good, sometimes flashy, and solidly consistent.  As his confidence grows I think we will see less and less "underwhelming" performances. 

Sometimes I think that, like Reggie Lewis, he just makes things look so effortless, it looks like he isn't trying, and his decision making will also continue to improve.  Playing with a point guard like Rondo should also help him.

I have already been wrong about him once, and I hope I am not wrong again...

[JSD]

No , he is not a # 1 option

No, he is probably not a # 2 option

But the kid has heart ......

Came up with a huge dunk , and 2 clutch 3's in the 4th quarter .

He is a very efficient , versatile player , and am so glad to have him and Rondo moving forward 

No doubt about it, let's not forget the two big free thows too. I am really starting to like this relatively young core of Green, Rondo, Bradley, Lee, Williams and Sullinger. If nothing else, they'll play good enough to provivde value for us in trade.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I bet Green avgs at least 20 next season if PP returns and 25 if he doesn't! I also bet he has a couple 40pt+ games too!


Who's betting TPs? You also gotta remind me about TPs if I'm wrong lol b/c my memory is best in the short term.

[kgainez]

I bet Green avgs at least 20 next season if PP returns and 25 if he doesn't! I also bet he has a couple 40pt+ games too!


Who's betting TPs? You also gotta remind me about TPs if I'm wrong lol b/c my memory is best in the short term.

30 if PP leaves lol
Rondo and JG would make an awesome team, esp if Rondo's jumper keeps improving.
It would literally leave JG no other choices but to be a #2 option. And he gets like 16 FGA being the third option and avging 20. I think JG would even place top 5 in scoring.