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Re: Why did Courtney Lee go from starting to not playing at all?
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2013, 06:55:53 PM »

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Yea I'm one of the biggest Doc supporters you'll find but I think Lee is our best shot at matching up with Smith (a little late at this point)

And what about Shav? Dude was eatin up the boards and really carving out a nice role for himself

Doc seems to have dug in his heels about not playing Shav.

One word: Stiemsma.

Steamer was way more important to our team last year and even he got sparse minutes... Ryan Hollins played way more, and Hollins was junk.
That's because Steamer was a walking foul at the end of the year. Opposing teams were putting up 120 points per 100 possessions or something crazy against him in the playoffs.

I think his foot injuries just became too much, last two weeks of last season and the playoffs his defense fell off a cliff.

Shavlik is a walking foul, and he can't even contribute on defense like Steamer. But it is perplexing that Doc doesn't play Wilcox more.
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Re: Why did Courtney Lee go from starting to not playing at all?
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2013, 06:55:58 PM »

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Yea I'm one of the biggest Doc supporters you'll find but I think Lee is our best shot at matching up with Smith (a little late at this point)

And what about Shav? Dude was eatin up the boards and really carving out a nice role for himself

Doc seems to have dug in his heels about not playing Shav.
No one to play him against, the Knicks never play more than 1 big man and Doc isn't comfortable putting Shav in as the only big man to protect the rim.

Doc doesn't want him or Wilcox covering a 3 point shooter that'd play right into the Knicks.

That makes sense, but Doc had Jeff Green on Chandler for a stretch, when Bass and KG each had 4 fouls, and this lead to Green picking up fouls 3 and 4. There are some moments when using Shav or Wilcox makes sense, especially when we are getting killed by offensive rebounds.
I wasn't able to watch the game till very late, so I missed that. So Green was the biggest player on the floor?

Re: Why did Courtney Lee go from starting to not playing at all?
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2013, 07:01:02 PM »

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Yea I'm one of the biggest Doc supporters you'll find but I think Lee is our best shot at matching up with Smith (a little late at this point)

And what about Shav? Dude was eatin up the boards and really carving out a nice role for himself

Doc seems to have dug in his heels about not playing Shav.
No one to play him against, the Knicks never play more than 1 big man and Doc isn't comfortable putting Shav in as the only big man to protect the rim.

Doc doesn't want him or Wilcox covering a 3 point shooter that'd play right into the Knicks.

That makes sense, but Doc had Jeff Green on Chandler for a stretch, when Bass and KG each had 4 fouls, and this lead to Green picking up fouls 3 and 4. There are some moments when using Shav or Wilcox makes sense, especially when we are getting killed by offensive rebounds.
I wasn't able to watch the game till very late, so I missed that. So Green was the biggest player on the floor?

for a stretch in the 2nd half I believe he was. He was definitely on Chandler, and not because of switches, and he picked up 2 quick fouls while we got killed on the glass.

I'm not saying play Shav or Wilcox 20 minutes, but there are some situations when we should use them instead if putting KG, Bass, and Green in deep foul trouble and letting ourselves get abused inside.

Re: Why did Courtney Lee go from starting to not playing at all?
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2013, 07:05:09 PM »

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Yea I'm one of the biggest Doc supporters you'll find but I think Lee is our best shot at matching up with Smith (a little late at this point)

And what about Shav? Dude was eatin up the boards and really carving out a nice role for himself

Doc seems to have dug in his heels about not playing Shav.
No one to play him against, the Knicks never play more than 1 big man and Doc isn't comfortable putting Shav in as the only big man to protect the rim.

Doc doesn't want him or Wilcox covering a 3 point shooter that'd play right into the Knicks.

That makes sense, but Doc had Jeff Green on Chandler for a stretch, when Bass and KG each had 4 fouls, and this lead to Green picking up fouls 3 and 4. There are some moments when using Shav or Wilcox makes sense, especially when we are getting killed by offensive rebounds.
I wasn't able to watch the game till very late, so I missed that. So Green was the biggest player on the floor?

for a stretch in the 2nd half I believe he was. He was definitely on Chandler, and not because of switches, and he picked up 2 quick fouls while we got killed on the glass.

I'm not saying play Shav or Wilcox 20 minutes, but there are some situations when we should use them instead if putting KG, Bass, and Green in deep foul trouble and letting ourselves get abused inside.
Yeah I'd use Wilcox/Shav too if you're benching KG/Bass due to foul trouble. You're likely to lose a few points at least due to their general bad defense, but Jeff Green can't check Chandler either...

Re: Why did Courtney Lee go from starting to not playing at all?
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2013, 07:12:47 PM »

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Did he say something about Doc's wife? Seriously, I like Lee a lot in our rotation and him and Bradley on the floor together play great defense. I think he handles the ball better than Bradley, is bigger, and a more reliable shooter.

I'm one of the few people I think who fully support our coach, but what the hell Doc?

Because when he has played he has been more or less utterly useless.

Bradley is better on defense, Terry and Crawford have been better on offense.  Lee has been invisible on both ends and somehow I even trust Bradley to hit an open corner three before Lee because he's been that utterly inconsistent.

At least both Bradley and Terry seem to have the will and desire to win, and always play hard.  Lee seems to constantly have a 'whatever' look on his face, like he's there just to collect his pay cheque and then go home.

Lee has been without a doubt my biggest dissaponintment this season and the sooner he is out of Boston the happier I will be.  Right now I'd give him away fo nothing just to free up his contact and a roster space, that's how bad he is.

Re: Why did Courtney Lee go from starting to not playing at all?
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2013, 07:24:33 PM »

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I even trust Bradley to hit an open corner three before Lee because he's been that utterly inconsistent.

Must be a joke ;D
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Re: Why did Courtney Lee go from starting to not playing at all?
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2013, 07:43:55 PM »

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Did he say something about Doc's wife? Seriously, I like Lee a lot in our rotation and him and Bradley on the floor together play great defense. I think he handles the ball better than Bradley, is bigger, and a more reliable shooter.

I'm one of the few people I think who fully support our coach, but what the hell Doc?

He must of stuck up for Shav. :-\

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Re: Why did Courtney Lee go from starting to not playing at all?
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2013, 08:59:50 PM »

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Did he say something about Doc's wife? Seriously, I like Lee a lot in our rotation and him and Bradley on the floor together play great defense. I think he handles the ball better than Bradley, is bigger, and a more reliable shooter.

I'm one of the few people I think who fully support our coach, but what the hell Doc?

He must of stuck up for Shav. :-\

Hahaha! This! I bet you it happened for real. lol.

We could use Lee's defense against Felton and JR Smith. He's big and quick and plays good defense.
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Re: Why did Courtney Lee go from starting to not playing at all?
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2013, 09:07:52 PM »

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Yea I'm one of the biggest Doc supporters you'll find but I think Lee is our best shot at matching up with Smith (a little late at this point)

And what about Shav? Dude was eatin up the boards and really carving out a nice role for himself

Doc seems to have dug in his heels about not playing Shav.
No one to play him against, the Knicks never play more than 1 big man and Doc isn't comfortable putting Shav in as the only big man to protect the rim.

Doc doesn't want him or Wilcox covering a 3 point shooter that'd play right into the Knicks.

That makes sense, but Doc had Jeff Green on Chandler for a stretch, when Bass and KG each had 4 fouls, and this lead to Green picking up fouls 3 and 4. There are some moments when using Shav or Wilcox makes sense, especially when we are getting killed by offensive rebounds.
I wasn't able to watch the game till very late, so I missed that. So Green was the biggest player on the floor?

for a stretch in the 2nd half I believe he was. He was definitely on Chandler, and not because of switches, and he picked up 2 quick fouls while we got killed on the glass.

I'm not saying play Shav or Wilcox 20 minutes, but there are some situations when we should use them instead if putting KG, Bass, and Green in deep foul trouble and letting ourselves get abused inside.

I was talking to the TV asking doc to put wilcox or shav in for at least a few minutes when bass went out with 5 fouls.  We just needed a few decent minutes from one of the two.  I think Wilcox on Chandler is smarter than Green on Chandler esp when Green was one of our few offensive weapons.  We need JG to not foul out.

I understand why under normal situations why we wouldn't want wilcox or shav in for extended periods of time against the knicks.  The 3 ball has been killing us, but when you have bass with 5 fouls, kg with 4 and pp with 4, we need to find a way to get a few minutes out of our bench to extend the starters who are in deep foul trouble.

Re: Why did Courtney Lee go from starting to not playing at all?
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2013, 09:32:29 PM »

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Yeah it doesnt make sense that Williams is getting minutes over Courtney Lee.

Re: Why did Courtney Lee go from starting to not playing at all?
« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2013, 10:12:57 PM »

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Maybe he has been whining about minutes and Doc wants to be like Popovich and treat him like Stephen Jackson.
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Re: Why did Courtney Lee go from starting to not playing at all?
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2013, 10:29:38 PM »

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Maybe Lee got a rebound in practice and Doc was like "Woah woah woah. We don't do that here! Sit down young fella."

Re: Why did Courtney Lee go from starting to not playing at all?
« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2013, 10:39:23 PM »

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Yeah it doesnt make sense that Williams is getting minutes over Courtney Lee.

It seems pretty obvious Doc is avoiding using Lee at all costs. I don't hate Williams, but his presence over Lee is a bit perplexing.

I understand the complaints of Bradley and Crawford getting more minutes that perhaps they should, but Bradley is our best defensive guard and Crawford is our only potential Nate Robinson / JR Smith type off the bench. I understand he is not performing to expectations, but he has been known to create his own shot and put up points in a hurry.

Re: Why did Courtney Lee go from starting to not playing at all?
« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2013, 11:02:25 PM »

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Because he's been terrible and offensively unreliable throughout this series

Re: Why did Courtney Lee go from starting to not playing at all?
« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2013, 11:05:30 PM »

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I like Doc, but I get so frustrating with him most of the time in the playoffs. Dudes like Lee and Shav/Wilcox are right there ready to give solid short minutes and preserve our starters, but he just gets so stuck in his ways. It's really annoying. I wish Thibs never left.