Trade the pick for a high second rounder(to use on Ricky Ledo) and a 2015 or beyond 1st. After pick 12 or 13 the guys in this draft look like second rounders. This draft is terrible.
I would do the same but move up to get Michael Carter Williams. With him Rondo and Bradley, the C's would have maybe the best overall back court in the league for many years and each of the three could play with the other.
Imagine 6'6" MCW playing PG but guarding SGs while Bradley plays SG but guards the PG. Or a Rondo MCW back court.
If they could move up to the area around 10, grab MCW, they could easily package off at least two or three of their remaining back court players to get a big. With MCW there wouldn't be a need for Lee AND Terry AND Williams AND Crawford. Keep Lee and trade everyone else.
Do you feel strongly that MCW is a better bet than Terrence Williams, though? He's also 6' 6" (actually an inch taller than MCW who is really only 6' 5"), has more natural PG skills and is big enough (~220 lb compared to just ~175 for MCW) and strong enough to play SGs and even small SFs. In other words, he should, in theory pair up with RR & AB in the same ways that you describe. He's only 25 and will come into camp with a half-season of experience in Doc's system. He's a former 11th pick overall and we already have him on a minimum contract.
MCW currently projects to be about the 11th pick in this, a weaker draft.
I'm not saying MCW wouldn't be better. But convince me. All rookies are a bit of a crap shoot. Is he worth trading up to get, considering that we already have T-Will?
MCW has fabulous floor vision and passing ability. He is and always will be a true PG. Terrence Williams is a SF, who has an okay handle for a SG buit who's best position is guarding PGs.
To me its not even close.
MCW's defense is superior in every way, he averaged almost 3 steals a game out of the Orange zone. In a man to man situation he probably garners even more.
MCW's passing ability and floor vision is as good as any top flight PG in the league today. MCW assisted on over 28% of the Orange baskets this year. he averaged over 7 APG while the Orange as a whole only averaged 14.
MCW is a floor general highly capable of running an offense because he has been doing that his whole life. Williams is still trying to learn the position.
Now factor in age and MCW's much higher upside, especially in his developing offensive game, and you see where MCW is the clear choice over the two. Also, having a son at Syracuse, word is MCW is a pretty sharp individual and word in NBA circles is Williams is a bit of a knucklehead.
To me, that makes checkmate, MCW wins.
Woah! MCW sounds awesome - you make him sound like he should be a lottery pick! I would guess that his poor shooting percentages are what is projecting him out of the top 10.
In which NBA circles have you heard the word that T-Williams is a bit of a knucklehead?
I know that he didn't work out all that well with The Little General as his coach - but that doesn't make him particularly unique. Nor does that make him a knucklehead - though it may have stigmatized him with some in the NBA. Pitino loved him at Louisville.
Good point that he is still learning PG - but that is pretty clearly the position that Doc & Danny seem to project him at.
And he has shown some talent as a facilitator. His final season at Louisville, his pace adjusted assist rate was a very good 5.8-per 40. In the NBA he posted 6.1 & 5.7 numbers in 2011 (Nets) and 2012 (Kings), respectively and 4.7 this year with the C's.
Not even remotely close to the 8+ numbers that MCW posted at Syracuse, of course, and not at all to be confused with the assist rates that Rondo posts. But still, those numbers would look pretty good for most 'normal' point guards.
T-Will is without question a much better shooter than MCW has shown.
Age really doesn't strike me as an advantage here for MCW. TW is only 4 years older. T-Will more experience and is more of a known quantity (in the sense that rookies are very rarely anything but gambles).
I'm not seeing 'checkmate', here. At least nothing that makes it compelling to trade up to get MCW.
MCW has been in the lottery as a pick and in a whole bunch of top 10 selections for well over a month. I have seen him projected as high as pick 8.
Also, MCW's shooting numbers from this season are almost exactly the same as Williams career numbers. I don't see Williams as being a much better shooter in the least. Both aren't all that good at it.
Also, the knucklehead comment was based on articles I have read saying he showed up late for practices and brought a lot of off court problems into the locker room. Dee Brown, Rick Adelman and others have had problems with him. There's a reason he was in China and talent wasn't the problem.
That said, he doesn't have the talent that Carter-Williams has and Carter-Williams doesn't bring the knuckleheadedness that Williams has been known to have.
I also find it strange that Williams seems to be lower on the depth chart than Crawford even though his skills are needed more than Crawford. But then again, Doc did go out of his way to praise Crawford and say he was buying into the defense.
Well, the comparison here isn't between T-Will and Crawford, but on whether MCW represents enough marginal difference over T-Will to be worth 'trading up' for.
You are correct that MCW's shooting this last season compares to T-Wills career shooting. The latter's numbers are dramatically improved over the last three years, though. After posting eFG of .425 and .400 in his first two seasons, he posted .470, .489 and .521 the last three go-rounds. You could argue that MCW's shooting will likely similarly improve as he matures, but my comparison is, again, between the two players as they are right now and whether it is worth 'trading up' to get MCW.
Almost all the articles I could find that characterized T-Will with words similar to 'knucklehead' tended to be by bloggers and didn't really seem to have any quotes of substance from actual NBA personnel. I tend to not put a lot of stock in any of that, but I know others do.
As I said, my position isn't that T-WIll is necessarily a better player than MCW. I'm just questioning whether MCW is worth the marginal cost of acquisition.
Trading up in the draft is always going to cost something. The marginal value you get out of doing so needs to be worth at least that cost.
If Doc ends up giving up on T-Will, then he'll let Danny know well before the draft, of course.
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