Author Topic: Does KG Needs To Have A Low Post Scorer Beside Him? Or A Jump Shooter Like Bass? (Read 9168 times)

krook · « **on:** March 29, 2013, 01:03:53 AM »

i think next year i want a low post scorer guy on our team

so the line-up would be

jefferson or gortat or cousins at center
kg at power forward and reserve is sullinger

this is my concern
brandon bass is a power forward jump shooter guy
when he is outside hit a jump shot and missed who grabbed the ball for rebounds, example vs. miami
is it KG HASLEM BOSH LEBRON? saw it last years playoffs that is what happen
then miami run as quickly to there basket hit 3's or fastbreak

doc rivers style shoot the ball, if you missed run as fast to opponent basket, which is for me is wrong
heat got quick players cole,chalmers,wade,lebron,
what did bulls did, beat them on rebounds offensive and defensive,

lets reverse it, kg shoots the ball he misses, who gets the rebound, bass? haslem? bosh? lebron?

let say we have al jefferson or marcin gortat next year,
kg is our defensive anchor on the court, defensively and offfensively, on defense kg is always inside, like tyson chandler and joakim noah, top defensive players....

al jefferson and marcin gortat are low post scorers,
if they missed its ok, they are closed to basket which is garnett is there too, so now who gets the rebounds gortat or jefferson or kg or heat haslem or bosh or lebron, i'm using heat because heat can be beaten when box outed and out-rebounded,
sully can do that role but he just came from back injury + those early foul trouble problems, which is to me he is better playing beside KG,

syfy9 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 29, 2013, 01:35:07 AM »

While I agree with you that we need a low post scorer, your logic isn't quite sound. If we shoot closer to the basket, it doesn't mean that teams will not box out, and it will not guarantee that we will have position to get the rebound or that we can rebound over the top of them. Addressing offensive rebounds; they aren't a concern for our team. That's not how we are structured. If a guy has position inside, Doc lets him stay to try to rebound it. If not, you get back on D. That's a strategy that helped us win in '08.

Also, this team was built around Rondo. Bass and KG are great players to play off of him because of his drive and kick out ability. Rondo's one of the best slashers in the league, and help defense results in open mid range shots.

And we aren't getting any of the guys you listed without giving up a bunch. Besides, we already have a very good post player in Jeff Green anyways. He takes advantage of mismatches well. Sully is also a decent post player with good moves. I think we could well round our post up game if we add a Kelly Olynyk type player.

krook · « **Reply #2 on:** March 29, 2013, 01:48:10 AM »

Quote from: syfy9 on March 29, 2013, 01:35:07 AM

While I agree with you that we need a low post scorer, your logic isn't quite sound. If we shoot closer to the basket, it doesn't mean that teams will not box out, and it will not guarantee that we will have position to get the rebound or that we can rebound over the top of them. Addressing offensive rebounds; they aren't a concern for our team. That's not how we are structured. If a guy has position inside, Doc lets him stay to try to rebound it. If not, you get back on D. That's a strategy that helped us win in '08.

Also, this team was built around Rondo. Bass and KG are great players to play off of him because of his drive and kick out ability. Rondo's one of the best slashers in the league, and help defense results in open mid range shots.

And we aren't getting any of the guys you listed without giving up a bunch. Besides, we already have a very good post player in Jeff Green anyways. He takes advantage of mismatches well. Sully is also a decent post player with good moves. I think we could well round our post up game if we add a Kelly Olynyk type player.

i agree of some you have said...
but i think green is better playing beside pierce SF...unless its lebron on pf some quick guys
on that getting back on D as fast we can, by not getting offensive rebounds, how many times have we seen jr smith melo marion davis lopez anderson zeller miles etc etc. attack those baskets without clogging the middle...
its not guaranteed that bradley could really stop d-wade or westbrook type of guys, we could see his performance right now, and he is best playing beside a ball handler rondo, and facing miami heat come playoffs as you said not getting the rebounds and getting back on D as much as fast as we can...ain't gonna work, with those quick player i mentioned earlier... when miami heat are back on basket all 3 pointers are outside...which is one of those problems that must be avoided 3 points, even bosh can hit 3's, and its not guaranteed, its a 50/50 3 points, so 4 and 5 better be ready
and this is where rondo's 14+ rebounds helps us a lot, and i agree with you a guy like olynx is good, also a guys like alex len or kadji that can shoot outside might also help

syfy9 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 29, 2013, 02:18:38 AM »

Quote from: krook on March 29, 2013, 01:48:10 AM

Quote from: syfy9 on March 29, 2013, 01:35:07 AM
While I agree with you that we need a low post scorer, your logic isn't quite sound. If we shoot closer to the basket, it doesn't mean that teams will not box out, and it will not guarantee that we will have position to get the rebound or that we can rebound over the top of them. Addressing offensive rebounds; they aren't a concern for our team. That's not how we are structured. If a guy has position inside, Doc lets him stay to try to rebound it. If not, you get back on D. That's a strategy that helped us win in '08.

Also, this team was built around Rondo. Bass and KG are great players to play off of him because of his drive and kick out ability. Rondo's one of the best slashers in the league, and help defense results in open mid range shots.

And we aren't getting any of the guys you listed without giving up a bunch. Besides, we already have a very good post player in Jeff Green anyways. He takes advantage of mismatches well. Sully is also a decent post player with good moves. I think we could well round our post up game if we add a Kelly Olynyk type player.

i agree of some you have said...
but i think green is better playing beside pierce SF...unless its lebron on pf some quick guys
on that getting back on D as fast we can, by not getting offensive rebounds, how many times have we seen jr smith melo marion davis lopez anderson zeller miles etc etc. attack those baskets without clogging the middle...
its not guaranteed that bradley could really stop d-wade or westbrook type of guys, we could see his performance right now, and he is best playing beside a ball handler rondo, and facing miami heat come playoffs as you said not getting the rebounds and getting back on D as much as fast as we can...ain't gonna work, with those quick player i mentioned earlier... when miami heat are back on basket all 3 pointers are outside...which is one of those problems that must be avoided 3 points, even bosh can hit 3's, and its not guaranteed, its a 50/50 3 points, so 4 and 5 better be ready
and this is where rondo's 14+ rebounds helps us a lot, and i agree with you a guy like olynx is good, also a guys like alex len or kadji that can shoot outside might also help

I think I get what you're saying, and I think playing the offensive rebounding game against the Heat is ideal and probably the easiest way to beat them. The thing is, we don't have enough rebounders to be able to pull it off. The Bulls did the other night, but they had a great rebounding output from Boozer and are a great rebounding team (they beat the Heat +12 on the boards).

We are nothing like the Bulls in terms of rebounding. Our best bet is to stop them on defense. Rondo primarily gets defensive boards, and him pushing the ball is OUR best way to beat the Heat. We can only push the ball if we stop the Heat from scoring. We can stop the Heat from scoring by getting back on defense before they do. They have 3 point shooters, yes, but that's their team mold.

LooseCannon · « **Reply #4 on:** March 29, 2013, 02:19:06 AM »

Ideally, you want someone who can do both. A jump shooter like Bass can probably learn to find a few spots where he can score inside more often. Some bigs who can score a little in the low post will never develop a jump shot.

raynman · « **Reply #5 on:** March 29, 2013, 04:02:36 AM »

Remember when we had (a healthy) Shaq? We were dominating, Rondo was racking up assists, and KG was really happy.. That's the kind of presence we need..

Mr Green · « **Reply #6 on:** March 29, 2013, 04:53:49 AM »

Cs have a whole squad full of jump shooters already, next season Ainge needs to add a big who can post up and rebound.

krook · « **Reply #7 on:** March 29, 2013, 04:55:58 AM »

Quote from: raynman on March 29, 2013, 04:02:36 AM

Remember when we had (a healthy) Shaq? We were dominating, Rondo was racking up assists, and KG was really happy.. That's the kind of presence we need..

i agree on this one,
and i think ainge rely on jermaine and shaquile that is why perkins is traded, but when shaq was injured it was all broken, team break down, we should have won all until this day maybe, if shaq kg are all healthy,
shaq really help us a lot, that is what we need right now to beat the heat, i don't see a jump shooter pf without any rebounds helping us, rondo is missed sully is missed, i'd really hope jermaine stayed with us. on the perkins trade i think he wants max contract which ainge cannot give that is why okc GM gave him max before he leave that team, on green's part, i don't see him as pf rebounder, but if ts lebron on PF, maybe that helps, even carmelo on pf, but its better for him to play beside pierce,
lebron/battier/miller/lewis pierce/green/lee
boozer did it alone on rebounds, if we had let say bass getting us 15 or 17 rebounds a game come playoffs i think that would really help, but rondo's 14 rebounds + kg's 8 or 9 + some of steimsma from last year really help us,
but i don't see a bass/farried bass/hickson bass/gasol bass/z-bo, unless doc understands or find a combination by pairing kg on white or shavlik,

T-LoDaniels · « **Reply #8 on:** March 29, 2013, 05:38:49 AM »

Quote from: raynman on March 29, 2013, 04:02:36 AM

Remember when we had (a healthy) Shaq? We were dominating, Rondo was racking up assists, and KG was really happy.. That's the kind of presence we need..

Shaq was a completely different beast to Al Jefferson or Gortat even at that age. Shaq is arguably the greatest finisher around the rim that the league has ever seen while Jefferson is more of an isolation post scorer. Also, KG isn't as mobile or durable as two years ago.

Celtics4ever · « **Reply #9 on:** March 29, 2013, 08:29:00 AM »

I think KG is best when he mixes post play with jumpshots. yes, a post scorer would help him so did Ray Allen. If he doesn't retire I think a deadly shooter or a post player is a must. One has to spread the floor some way.

SHAQATTACK · « **Reply #10 on:** March 29, 2013, 08:47:41 AM »

KG neesd his little buddy Sully back to do the dirty work around the basket.

Sully was improving and is 1000 times better in the paint than butter fingers BASS.

Sully was beginning to draw attention to his game, thus free up KG for his fine than frogs fir mid -range jumper.

As KG pulls the bigs out , Sully gobble up boards .

Celtics basketball just sucks without rebounding. A Celtics team with no tuff bigs isn't Celtic basketball ....

Small ball sucks

TRade Rondo for bigs.

pearljammer10 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 29, 2013, 09:28:40 AM »

We've needed a low post presence for years upon years. We havent been able to sign or trade for a legit one who could stay healthy. We have enough jump shooters already and at this point in KGs career he cant be in the paint banging in the post.

Imagine how nice a Marc Gasol or a Cousins would look in the post next to KG waiting outside for the open jumper.

Chris · « **Reply #12 on:** March 29, 2013, 09:30:09 AM »

KG needs to have a quality big man next to him (PF or C). The rest can be worked out.

That's the beauty of KG, he is versatile enough to play with most anyone, but our problem is, we haven't had a starting quality big to put next to him in a while.

Lightskinsmurf · « **Reply #13 on:** March 29, 2013, 09:31:59 AM »

Quote from: pearljammer10 on March 29, 2013, 09:28:40 AM

We've needed a low post presence for years upon years. We havent been able to sign or trade for a legit one who could stay healthy. We have enough jump shooters already and at this point in KGs career he cant be in the paint banging in the post.

Imagine how nice a Marc Gasol or a Cousins would look in the post next to KG waiting outside for the open jumper.

I really wanted cousins this year next to KG. Id like our chances if we could have managed that.

Fafnir · « **Reply #14 on:** March 29, 2013, 09:36:37 AM »

Quote from: Chris on March 29, 2013, 09:30:09 AM

KG needs to have a quality big man next to him (PF or C). The rest can be worked out.

That's the beauty of KG, he is versatile enough to play with most anyone, but our problem is, we haven't had a starting quality big to put next to him in a while.

Pretty much.

Having a jump shooter opens up KG's inside game, having KG would open up the other big man's post up game if he was a bigger post threat. An active cutter who could catch the interior pass would also be nice.

KG will make it work with almost anyone.

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