Buck Bigs (trade idea)

[Lucky17]

Bucks may have a glut of bigs, but they can easily remedy that through buyouts (Dalembert) and the amnesty provision next offseason (Gooden).

I don't foresee John Hammond jeopardizing cap space/payroll beyond this year, or giving up assets for a short term fix. He's been patient so far. He's done a good job of walking the tightrope of simultaneously maintaining financial flexibility, acquiring assets, AND remaining competitive despite being in a small market.

[AB_Celtic]

1. Trade Lee and Collins for Dalembert -- defensive big #2 (KG being #1)
2. Sign Chris Andersen -- defensive big #3
3. Sign Maurice Evans -- we need at least one big, defensive guard

Rondo/Barbosa
Bradley/Terry/Evans
Pierce/Green/Joseph
Bass/Andersen/Sullinger
Garnett/Dalembert/Wilcox/Melo

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Bucks may have a glut of bigs, but they can easily remedy that through buyouts (Dalembert) and the amnesty provision next offseason (Gooden).

I don't foresee John Hammond jeopardizing cap space/payroll beyond this year, or giving up assets for a short term fix. He's been patient so far. He's done a good job of walking the tightrope of simultaneously maintaining financial flexibility, acquiring assets, AND remaining competitive despite being in a small market.

You mean like giving Eryan and Drew Gooden $40mil each?

John Hammond's contract expires this year. So does Skiles'. They want to show short term improvement, not an unbalanced roster and a bad team.

Meanwhile, why would they buy out Sam D to save a couple of $$ and get nothing in return, then amnesty Gooden so they can pay him millions to sit at home and sip weed? I don't follow.

[CFAN38]

Bucks may have a glut of bigs, but they can easily remedy that through buyouts (Dalembert) and the amnesty provision next offseason (Gooden).

I don't foresee John Hammond jeopardizing cap space/payroll beyond this year, or giving up assets for a short term fix. He's been patient so far. He's done a good job of walking the tightrope of simultaneously maintaining financial flexibility, acquiring assets, AND remaining competitive despite being in a small market.

If they amnesty Gooden they still have to pay him. His number just doesn't affect there cap. Using his money on a roster spot is better economics.

[Who]

I don't foresee John Hammond jeopardizing cap space/payroll beyond this year, or giving up assets for a short term fix. He's been patient so far. He's done a good job of walking the tightrope of simultaneously maintaining financial flexibility, acquiring assets, AND remaining competitive despite being in a small market.

John Hammond's financial management of that team has an absolute train wreck.

Wasting all that cap space on Maggette and Gooden. Two players who were never going to fit in. Did he sign John Salmons too? I can't remember. I think he did. And now this summer he gives that massive contract to Ilyasova. Awful, awful cap management.

Deserves to be fired. Deserved to be fired a long time ago.

[Lucky17]

Bucks may have a glut of bigs, but they can easily remedy that through buyouts (Dalembert) and the amnesty provision next offseason (Gooden).

I don't foresee John Hammond jeopardizing cap space/payroll beyond this year, or giving up assets for a short term fix. He's been patient so far. He's done a good job of walking the tightrope of simultaneously maintaining financial flexibility, acquiring assets, AND remaining competitive despite being in a small market.

John Hammond's contract expires this year. So does Skiles'. They want to show short term improvement, not an unbalanced roster and a bad team.

Bad team? Bucks are currently the 5th seed in the East.

Short term improvement would be a colossal mistake. They can bring back Ellis, Jennings (QO), and the young frontcourt (Ilyasova, Sanders, Henson, Udoh, Mbah a Moute), and still have cap space if they simply let the aged expirings (Udrih, Dalembert, Dunleavy, Pryz, Daniels) walk and amnesty Gooden. Why deviate from the course now?

They'd do much better to keep the cap space going into next offseason, and trade a prospect and picks to land a big fish to add to the core.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

The Bucks have a lot of useful pieces but the Celtics do not have pieces that are useful for the Bucks. Bad trading partner.

At least directly. A three team might be possible.

They have a plethora of bigs. Henson they just drafted. Gooden, Sanders, Ilyasova, Udoh, Vanilla Gorilla. That's 6 guys who could contribute something in minimum of 15 minutes. I think a 1st rounder (which I will be willing to give for Udoh and Sanders) could land any one of these guys outside of Henson.

[Who]

I don't think Courtney Lee has any value to Milwaukee.

Monta Ellis and Brandon Jennings start there. That is not going to change. They both play 34-36 minutes a night. There isn't many minutes available behind them. They get good play out of Beno Udrih behind them and they regularly need his ball-handling and shot-creation off the bench.

Then they have an overloaded SF rotation with Mbah a Moute, Tobias Harris and Mike Dunleavy. Plus Marquis Daniels and Doron Lamb behind them.

There just isn't a large enough role there for Courtney Lee. He'd be a bit part player in Milwaukee like he'll be a bit part player here once Avery Bradley returns. Not enough available minutes.

If they trade Monta Ellis, this can change. But not before then.

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Bucks may have a glut of bigs, but they can easily remedy that through buyouts (Dalembert) and the amnesty provision next offseason (Gooden).

I don't foresee John Hammond jeopardizing cap space/payroll beyond this year, or giving up assets for a short term fix. He's been patient so far. He's done a good job of walking the tightrope of simultaneously maintaining financial flexibility, acquiring assets, AND remaining competitive despite being in a small market.

John Hammond's contract expires this year. So does Skiles'. They want to show short term improvement, not an unbalanced roster and a bad team.

Bad team? Bucks are currently the 5th seed in the East.

Short term improvement would be a colossal mistake. They can bring back Ellis, Jennings (QO), and the young frontcourt (Ilyasova, Sanders, Henson, Udoh, Mbah a Moute), and still have cap space if they simply let the aged expirings (Udrih, Dalembert, Dunleavy, Pryz, Daniels) walk and amnesty Gooden. Why deviate from the course now?

They'd do much better to keep the cap space going into next offseason, and trade a prospect and picks to land a big fish to add to the core.

I have no idea what course it is your suggesting they deviate from -- because they have none -- but Lee for Udoh improves their team this year, and has essentially nil long term financial downside.

Who -- Udrih hasn't played in 3 weeks. Lee is an upgrade for them on the wing... i just don't see much of a debate there. 

[CFAN38]

I have no idea what course it is your suggesting they deviate -- because they have none -- but Lee for Udoh improves their team this year, and has essentially nil long term financial downside.

I agree

I read today that the bucks are playing at the fastest pace in the NBA Lee at SF running the wing seems like a perfect fit for this team.

[Who]

I would rather sign Kenyon Martin than sign Ekpe Udoh. Similar type of player only Kenyon Martin is still significantly better. And Kenyon is a free agent. No need to give up talent/assets to get him.

No interest in Drew Gooden. The team is having enough problems defensively without taking his lousy team defense on too.

[Lucky17]

I don't foresee John Hammond jeopardizing cap space/payroll beyond this year, or giving up assets for a short term fix. He's been patient so far. He's done a good job of walking the tightrope of simultaneously maintaining financial flexibility, acquiring assets, AND remaining competitive despite being in a small market.

John Hammond's financial management of that team has an absolute train wreck.

Wasting all that cap space on Maggette and Gooden. Two players who were never going to fit in. Did he sign John Salmons too? I can't remember. I think he did. And now this summer he gives that massive contract to Ilyasova. Awful, awful cap management.

Deserves to be fired. Deserved to be fired a long time ago.

Traded for Maggette, then flipped him the following season with the resigned Salmons for Toby Harris, Udrih, Stephen Jackson, and Shaun Livingston. Hammond quickly hit the reset button on the Salmons signing, and came out on top of that deal.

That Gooden signing was an MLE deal. I forget what the NBA landscape was at the time (summer 2010), but I doubt they had another starting center on the roster.

Ilyasova is not playing up to the level of that contract. He still has time.

I have no idea what course it is your suggesting they deviate -- because they have none -- but Lee for Udoh improves their team this year, and has essentially nil long term financial downside.

Other than the remaining three years and $16 million. Why would the Bucks take on Lee? They could simply trade Udoh and a pick for a much better SG if they decide not to retain Ellis or Jennings next season.

[Rondo2287]

I don't foresee John Hammond jeopardizing cap space/payroll beyond this year, or giving up assets for a short term fix. He's been patient so far. He's done a good job of walking the tightrope of simultaneously maintaining financial flexibility, acquiring assets, AND remaining competitive despite being in a small market.

John Hammond's financial management of that team has an absolute train wreck.

Wasting all that cap space on Maggette and Gooden. Two players who were never going to fit in. Did he sign John Salmons too? I can't remember. I think he did. And now this summer he gives that massive contract to Ilyasova. Awful, awful cap management.

Deserves to be fired. Deserved to be fired a long time ago.

Traded for Maggette, then flipped him the following season with the resigned Salmons for Toby Harris, Udrih, Stephen Jackson, and Shaun Livingston. Hammond quickly hit the reset button on the Salmons signing, and came out on top of that deal.

That Gooden signing was an MLE deal. I forget what the NBA landscape was at the time (summer 2010), but I doubt they had another starting center on the roster.

Ilyasova is not playing up to the level of that contract. He still has time.

I have no idea what course it is your suggesting they deviate -- because they have none -- but Lee for Udoh improves their team this year, and has essentially nil long term financial downside.

Other than the remaining three years and $16 million. Why would the Bucks take on Lee? They could simply trade Udoh and a pick for a much better SG if they decide not to retain Ellis or Jennings next season.

ha wrong thread

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I don't foresee John Hammond jeopardizing cap space/payroll beyond this year, or giving up assets for a short term fix. He's been patient so far. He's done a good job of walking the tightrope of simultaneously maintaining financial flexibility, acquiring assets, AND remaining competitive despite being in a small market.

John Hammond's financial management of that team has an absolute train wreck.

Wasting all that cap space on Maggette and Gooden. Two players who were never going to fit in. Did he sign John Salmons too? I can't remember. I think he did. And now this summer he gives that massive contract to Ilyasova. Awful, awful cap management.

Deserves to be fired. Deserved to be fired a long time ago.

Traded for Maggette, then flipped him the following season with the resigned Salmons for Toby Harris, Udrih, Stephen Jackson, and Shaun Livingston. Hammond quickly hit the reset button on the Salmons signing, and came out on top of that deal.

That Gooden signing was an MLE deal. I forget what the NBA landscape was at the time (summer 2010), but I doubt they had another starting center on the roster.

Ilyasova is not playing up to the level of that contract. He still has time.

I have no idea what course it is your suggesting they deviate -- because they have none -- but Lee for Udoh improves their team this year, and has essentially nil long term financial downside.

Other than the remaining three years and $16 million. Why would the Bucks take on Lee? They could simply trade Udoh and a pick for a much better SG if they decide not to retain Ellis or Jennings next season.

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/celtics.jsp

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/bucks.jsp

Assuming the Bucks would qualify offer the great Udoh, their contracts are essentially identical by NBA standards, with Lee's being a year longer.

They'd 'take on' Lee because he's been a much better NBA player despite being of comparable age, and because he plays a position where they're thin not deep.

Honestly, this cap management discussion regarding the Bucks, particularly on relatively small NBA contracts, is back seat driving.

I'm talking about exchanging a role guy for a role guy. It's not complicated.

[hpantazo]

I have no idea what course it is your suggesting they deviate -- because they have none -- but Lee for Udoh improves their team this year, and has essentially nil long term financial downside.

I agree

I read today that the bucks are playing at the fastest pace in the NBA Lee at SF running the wing seems like a perfect fit for this team.

I think you are seeing what you want to see here. The bucks really have no use for Lee. They can get a much better guard if they want to for the young bigs that they have. The only reason we could get Dalembert or Gooden is that they have no upside and no use to the Bucks.