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Re: Jeremy Lin hype still going strong
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2012, 03:45:59 PM »

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I guess but it would be a shame, i hate when players gets the nod simply because of thier popularity and not thier talent/the level they have performed at.

Ideally, the best players would also be the most popular, I suppose.  But it's not, so I think the all-star game should be a mix of the players that people want to see together with the players that people ought to see.  While I am a defense-first kind of guy, the All-Star game is not a defensive showcase, so I'm okay with weighting offense more heavily for gets the nod.

As long as Lin is an above-average player who people want to watch, I have no problem with him making the All-Star team.  I'd would especially love it if somehow the Western Conference starting backcourt could be Chris Paul and Jeremy Lin.  (That is, Kobe-less.)
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Re: Jeremy Lin hype still going strong
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2012, 03:46:09 PM »

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But before we get out of hand here with semantics, Jeremy Lin is turnover prone. But he's not a terrible ball-handler. He's a rookie that made rookie mistakes, and will get better.

YES HE IS! And hes not a rookie geeeez! stop it just stop it

Re: Jeremy Lin hype still going strong
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2012, 03:47:34 PM »

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I guess but it would be a shame, i hate when players gets the nod simply because of thier popularity and not thier talent/the level they have performed at.

Ideally, the best players would also be the most popular, I suppose.  But it's not, so I think the all-star game should be a mix of the players that people want to see together with the players that people ought to see.  While I am a defense-first kind of guy, the All-Star game is not a defensive showcase, so I'm okay with weighting offense more heavily for gets the nod.

As long as Lin is an above-average player who people want to watch, I have no problem with him making the All-Star team.  I'd would especially love it if somehow the Western Conference starting backcourt could be Chris Paul and Jeremy Lin.  (That is, Kobe-less.)

Dream on dude, there is no way kobe aint making the allstar team. That guy would make the team even if he was on crutches  ::)

Re: Jeremy Lin hype still going strong
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2012, 03:49:53 PM »

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But before we get out of hand here with semantics, Jeremy Lin is turnover prone. But he's not a terrible ball-handler. He's a rookie that made rookie mistakes, and will get better.

YES HE IS! And hes not a rookie geeeez! stop it just stop it

He was basically a rookie. In February alone he played nearly as many minutes as he did the entire previous season, in half as many games. And he's not a terrible ball handler, but he can be turnover prone.

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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2012, 03:51:57 PM »

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But before we get out of hand here with semantics, Jeremy Lin is turnover prone. But he's not a terrible ball-handler. He's a rookie that made rookie mistakes, and will get better.

YES HE IS! And hes not a rookie geeeez! stop it just stop it

He was basically a rookie. In February alone he played nearly as many minutes as he did the entire previous season, in half as many games. And he's not a terrible ball handler, but he can be turnover prone.

He is a terrible ballhandler, i watch basketball, play basketball, teach basketball I KNOW a bad ball handler when i see one and all the games i watched with the knicks last season ive seen enough to know that this guy flat out can not handle the ball period

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« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2012, 03:54:22 PM »

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But before we get out of hand here with semantics, Jeremy Lin is turnover prone. But he's not a terrible ball-handler. He's a rookie that made rookie mistakes, and will get better.

YES HE IS! And hes not a rookie geeeez! stop it just stop it

He was basically a rookie. In February alone he played nearly as many minutes as he did the entire previous season, in half as many games. And he's not a terrible ball handler, but he can be turnover prone.

He is a terrible ballhandler, i watch basketball, play basketball, teach basketball I KNOW a bad ball handler when i see one and all the games i watched with the knicks last season ive seen enough to know that this guy flat out can not handle the ball period

Wow, that settles it then Exclamation mark

I watched a lot of Knicks basketball as well (I live in NY and didn't get league pass last yr), and I disagree. And I'm not the only person who disagrees. A lot of people who know a lot more about basketball than you or me also disagree with the notion that Jeremy Lin is a terrible ball handler.

"You've gotta respect a 15-percent 3-point shooter. A guy
like that is always lethal." - Evan 'The God' Turner

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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2012, 03:55:51 PM »

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But before we get out of hand here with semantics, Jeremy Lin is turnover prone. But he's not a terrible ball-handler. He's a rookie that made rookie mistakes, and will get better.

YES HE IS! And hes not a rookie geeeez! stop it just stop it

He was basically a rookie. In February alone he played nearly as many minutes as he did the entire previous season, in half as many games. And he's not a terrible ball handler, but he can be turnover prone.

He is a terrible ballhandler, i watch basketball, play basketball, teach basketball I KNOW a bad ball handler when i see one and all the games i watched with the knicks last season ive seen enough to know that this guy flat out can not handle the ball period

Wow, that settles it then Exclamation mark

yeah i guess it pretty much does and obviously its like the topic says: jeremy lin hype still going strong period

Re: Jeremy Lin hype still going strong
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2012, 03:58:46 PM »

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But before we get out of hand here with semantics, Jeremy Lin is turnover prone. But he's not a terrible ball-handler. He's a rookie that made rookie mistakes, and will get better.

YES HE IS! And hes not a rookie geeeez! stop it just stop it

He was basically a rookie. In February alone he played nearly as many minutes as he did the entire previous season, in half as many games. And he's not a terrible ball handler, but he can be turnover prone.

He is a terrible ballhandler, i watch basketball, play basketball, teach basketball I KNOW a bad ball handler when i see one and all the games i watched with the knicks last season ive seen enough to know that this guy flat out can not handle the ball period

Wow, that settles it then Exclamation mark

I watched a lot of Knicks basketball as well (I live in NY and didn't get league pass last yr), and I disagree. And I'm not the only person who disagrees. A lot of people who know a lot more about basketball than you or me also disagree with the notion that Jeremy Lin is a terrible ball handler.

Wow so you by some strange fluke know how much i know about basketball and who knows more than me?

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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2012, 04:06:05 PM »

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But before we get out of hand here with semantics, Jeremy Lin is turnover prone. But he's not a terrible ball-handler. He's a rookie that made rookie mistakes, and will get better.

YES HE IS! And hes not a rookie geeeez! stop it just stop it

He was basically a rookie. In February alone he played nearly as many minutes as he did the entire previous season, in half as many games. And he's not a terrible ball handler, but he can be turnover prone.

He is a terrible ballhandler, i watch basketball, play basketball, teach basketball I KNOW a bad ball handler when i see one and all the games i watched with the knicks last season ive seen enough to know that this guy flat out can not handle the ball period

Wow, that settles it then Exclamation mark

I watched a lot of Knicks basketball as well (I live in NY and didn't get league pass last yr), and I disagree. And I'm not the only person who disagrees. A lot of people who know a lot more about basketball than you or me also disagree with the notion that Jeremy Lin is a terrible ball handler.

Wow so you by some strange fluke know how much i know about basketball and who knows more than me?

Dude, you've been making the same assumption about me for like the last 15 minutes. I was referring to the people who analyze basketball for a living. I assume you're not one of those guys.

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like that is always lethal." - Evan 'The God' Turner

Re: Jeremy Lin hype still going strong
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2012, 04:09:35 PM »

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But before we get out of hand here with semantics, Jeremy Lin is turnover prone. But he's not a terrible ball-handler. He's a rookie that made rookie mistakes, and will get better.

YES HE IS! And hes not a rookie geeeez! stop it just stop it

He was basically a rookie. In February alone he played nearly as many minutes as he did the entire previous season, in half as many games. And he's not a terrible ball handler, but he can be turnover prone.

He is a terrible ballhandler, i watch basketball, play basketball, teach basketball I KNOW a bad ball handler when i see one and all the games i watched with the knicks last season ive seen enough to know that this guy flat out can not handle the ball period

Wow, that settles it then Exclamation mark

I watched a lot of Knicks basketball as well (I live in NY and didn't get league pass last yr), and I disagree. And I'm not the only person who disagrees. A lot of people who know a lot more about basketball than you or me also disagree with the notion that Jeremy Lin is a terrible ball handler.

Wow so you by some strange fluke know how much i know about basketball and who knows more than me?

Dude, you've making the same assumption about me for like the last 15 minutes. I was referring to the people who analyze basketball for a living. I assume you're not one of those guys.

I did not once say that i know more about basketball than you or anybody i just said that i know a bad ball handler when i see one you are the one making assumptions, not me. I could be doc rivers or phil jackson for all you know  :o

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« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2012, 04:10:38 PM »

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Re: Jeremy Lin hype still going strong
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2012, 05:35:25 PM »

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Nah -- Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook and Tony Parker are all miles ahead of Jeremy Lin.

I can't see him breaking into that group next season. Too much work (development) to do before he threatens those guys.

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« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2012, 05:44:47 PM »

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Nah -- Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook and Tony Parker are all miles ahead of Jeremy Lin.

I can't see him breaking into that group next season. Too much work (development) to do before he threatens those guys.

Steve Nash, Steph Curry, Ricky Rubio, Ty Lawson, Mike Conley are all superior PGs too. I could see Jeremy Lin's gaudy scoring numbers pushing him ahead of everyone except Steph Curry on that list in the All-Star Voting though. Oh, Goran Dragic too. Better than Lin. 

It'll be interesting to see how much Dirk Nowitzki helps open up Collison's game. A similar style of play as JJ Barea. A better version of Barea. Collison could provide strong competition to Jeremy Lin in the West also. 

Andre Miller (Nuggets backup PG) isn't far off Jeremy Lin either. Not as strong a player in go-to scorer role but a comparable and slightly better complementary player.

Tyreke Evans is quite similar to Jeremy Lin as a starting guard. I'd take Tyreke over Lin.

I'd say three teams have worse PGs option that Jeremy Lin - New Orleans (Vasquez), Portland (Lillard) and Utah (Mo Williams).

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Re: Jeremy Lin hype still going strong
« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2012, 06:11:35 PM »

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If Jamal Magloire can be an all star i guess anything is possible.

I guess but it would be a shame, i hate when players gets the nod simply because of thier popularity and not thier talent/the level they have performed at.

Paul, parker, westbrook, Curry the list goes on with guys that are better and more deeservant of an allstar nod.
You left out Bryant and a few other more worthy guards. PG vs SG doesn't matter in ASG.

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« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2012, 06:48:06 PM »

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Wow so you by some strange fluke know how much i know about basketball and who knows more than me?

I am not a mod, so I have no authority, but could you please stop trolling? It really distracts from the actual substance of a thread when you are essentially posing and bragging about how awesome you are. Yes, you know basketball. So do the rest of us. That is why we are posting on a basketball forum. You know who else knows basketball? The thousands of professionals working in the NBA, ESPN, and related venues. Some of them share your opinion that Lin was a one-time thing, and others disagree. The very fact that there exist experts in the sport that disagree with you is indicative of the fact that you may not be right. You might be, but none of us know for a fact. It is impossible to know for a fact. So please, discuss the issue civilly instead of this macho posturing. You aren't impressing anyone.