K Mart, are you kidding me?

[MJohnnyboy]

The thing that annoys me is I think he's better than Collins and I'm not exactly sure why/how Collins is here and not K Mart. Now we're in this place of thinking there has to be a choice between a big and a guard and I feel like we shouldn't be there.  I also think Christmas or Joseph better show something kind of quick because if we keep one for the future and he becomes so/so then we hurt our last chance at a ring to keep a so/so player

Collins is here for one reason and one reason only: Stop the Dwight Howards and Andrew Bynums of the world. He's proven he can do it.

Martin has more dimensions to his game. Even at 34, he brings defensive tenacity, athleticism, and rebounding. He can still run the floor quite well. He could be a very valuable piece to the team.

[MJohnnyboy]

The thing that annoys me is I think he's better than Collins and I'm not exactly sure why/how Collins is here and not K Mart. Now we're in this place of thinking there has to be a choice between a big and a guard and I feel like we shouldn't be there.  I also think Christmas or Joseph better show something kind of quick because if we keep one for the future and he becomes so/so then we hurt our last chance at a ring to keep a so/so player

Roles.  I am with you that KMart is probably a better player at this point than Collins (although I am not sure it is that far off...KMart has fallen off a lot).  But Collins fills a real specific need that they didn't have.  A long, tough, low post defender, who can handle guys like Howard and Bynum.  KMart won't really give you that.

In reality, Martin really just gives you the same things Wilcox gives you at this point (and is probably a step below Wilcox actually).  Which is valuable...but it is not a real need of this team with KG, Bass, and Wilcox already here. 

Collins won't be useful against probably 80% (or more) of the league.  However, against that 20% (including one team in your division...perhaps 2, if Lopez gets down in the post more), Collins provides a real asset, and someone who would likely play minutes no matter who was healthy.  I am not sure KMart would be playing any minutes if everyone is healthy, which makes him purely depth, which is less valuable.

Martin's actually a passable low post defender (against 4s), and he's a better defender than Wilcox and has better instincts to block shots.

He's not the player he was, but he could be very valuable.

[Chris]

The thing that annoys me is I think he's better than Collins and I'm not exactly sure why/how Collins is here and not K Mart. Now we're in this place of thinking there has to be a choice between a big and a guard and I feel like we shouldn't be there.  I also think Christmas or Joseph better show something kind of quick because if we keep one for the future and he becomes so/so then we hurt our last chance at a ring to keep a so/so player

Roles.  I am with you that KMart is probably a better player at this point than Collins (although I am not sure it is that far off...KMart has fallen off a lot).  But Collins fills a real specific need that they didn't have.  A long, tough, low post defender, who can handle guys like Howard and Bynum.  KMart won't really give you that.

In reality, Martin really just gives you the same things Wilcox gives you at this point (and is probably a step below Wilcox actually).  Which is valuable...but it is not a real need of this team with KG, Bass, and Wilcox already here. 

Collins won't be useful against probably 80% (or more) of the league.  However, against that 20% (including one team in your division...perhaps 2, if Lopez gets down in the post more), Collins provides a real asset, and someone who would likely play minutes no matter who was healthy.  I am not sure KMart would be playing any minutes if everyone is healthy, which makes him purely depth, which is less valuable.

Martin's actually a passable low post defender (against 4s), and he's a better defender than Wilcox and has better instincts to block shots.

He's not the player he was, but he could be very valuable.

Based on what I saw of both of them last year, I think Wilcox had gained ground on him defensively (although I will give you that Martin is still a better defender), but I think Wilcox is a better offensive player at this point in their careers, and he might also be a better rebounder (Martin did not look good on the boards last year).

[MJohnnyboy]

The thing that annoys me is I think he's better than Collins and I'm not exactly sure why/how Collins is here and not K Mart. Now we're in this place of thinking there has to be a choice between a big and a guard and I feel like we shouldn't be there.  I also think Christmas or Joseph better show something kind of quick because if we keep one for the future and he becomes so/so then we hurt our last chance at a ring to keep a so/so player

Roles.  I am with you that KMart is probably a better player at this point than Collins (although I am not sure it is that far off...KMart has fallen off a lot).  But Collins fills a real specific need that they didn't have.  A long, tough, low post defender, who can handle guys like Howard and Bynum.  KMart won't really give you that.

In reality, Martin really just gives you the same things Wilcox gives you at this point (and is probably a step below Wilcox actually).  Which is valuable...but it is not a real need of this team with KG, Bass, and Wilcox already here. 

Collins won't be useful against probably 80% (or more) of the league.  However, against that 20% (including one team in your division...perhaps 2, if Lopez gets down in the post more), Collins provides a real asset, and someone who would likely play minutes no matter who was healthy.  I am not sure KMart would be playing any minutes if everyone is healthy, which makes him purely depth, which is less valuable.

Martin's actually a passable low post defender (against 4s), and he's a better defender than Wilcox and has better instincts to block shots.

He's not the player he was, but he could be very valuable.

Based on what I saw of both of them last year, I think Wilcox had gained ground on him defensively (although I will give you that Martin is still a better defender), but I think Wilcox is a better offensive player at this point in their careers, and he might also be a better rebounder (Martin did not look good on the boards last year).

Huh. Well I didn't see too much of K-Mart last year. Mainly I just figured he could be useful on the boards (he apparently has the all-time record for most put-back dunks), and he still has his defensive instincts. I figure he could basically be a more athletic PJ Brown for us.

[mgent]

For the limited minutes he'd get I'd rather that contract go to someone like Ben Wallace.  At least Ben can give you center minutes.  Our power forward position is pretty stacked and at this point of his career I can't see where Martin could get any minutes
sully, wilcox, green, bass, kg

Is Ben Wallace any better of a center than Kenyon Martin is at this point in his career?

I don't think so. Kenyon Martin looked serviceable enough there when the Clippers used him at center. Personally, I think Kenyon is at least comparable if not superior to Big Ben at the center position.

Comparable yes, superior no.  Ben is much stronger and a better rebounder.  KMart's added range and passing doesn't overcome that at C.

[RyNye]

People are really comparing K-Mart to Ben Wallace? That's a laugh.

Even at this stage in his career, Ben Wallace plays great D (he grabs lots of blocks and steals, but doesn't foul) and rebounds the ball like a machine. He even passes pretty well for a big man. He also doesn't turn the ball over. And while he doesn't score much, he grabs offensive boards with the best of them.

K-Mart isn't very good offensively. Look at his shooting splits, they are really bad. 44.1% from the field for a big man? 37% from the line? Wallace is just as bad, offensively, but doesn't take many shot attempts (4.2 per game). K-Mart takes 11.2 shots per game, but shoots just as poorly as Ben Wallace does. His career TS is 51% (average is 53), and last year was a 44.5%, which is pathetic. Defensively, K-Mart is good, but Ben Wallace is better. K-Mart fouls more and doesn't get as many blocks or steals. K-Mart is also a terrible passer and below average rebounder.

At least looking at their performance for last year, Ben Wallace is still better than K-Mart. Both are bad offensively, though K-Mart seems to think he is good so he takes a lot of shots and hurts his team, and Ben is better defensively.

[crimson_stallion]

People are really comparing K-Mart to Ben Wallace? That's a laugh.

Even at this stage in his career, Ben Wallace plays great D (he grabs lots of blocks and steals, but doesn't foul) and rebounds the ball like a machine. He even passes pretty well for a big man. He also doesn't turn the ball over. And while he doesn't score much, he grabs offensive boards with the best of them.

K-Mart isn't very good offensively. Look at his shooting splits, they are really bad. 44.1% from the field for a big man? 37% from the line? Wallace is just as bad, offensively, but doesn't take many shot attempts (4.2 per game). K-Mart takes 11.2 shots per game, but shoots just as poorly as Ben Wallace does. His career TS is 51% (average is 53), and last year was a 44.5%, which is pathetic. Defensively, K-Mart is good, but Ben Wallace is better. K-Mart fouls more and doesn't get as many blocks or steals. K-Mart is also a terrible passer and below average rebounder.

At least looking at their performance for last year, Ben Wallace is still better than K-Mart. Both are bad offensively, though K-Mart seems to think he is good so he takes a lot of shots and hurts his team, and Ben is better defensively.

Look at their advanced stats...

Martin averaged close to 60% from inside the paint, while Wallace averaged in the mid 40's.  He's a HORRIBLE offensive player, but makes up for it with his defense.

Martin is not as good defensively but still solid, and is a far superior inside scorer.

I'd be pretty happy with either, but I prefer versatility that Kmart would bring.

[pearljammer10]

People are really comparing K-Mart to Ben Wallace? That's a laugh.

Even at this stage in his career, Ben Wallace plays great D (he grabs lots of blocks and steals, but doesn't foul) and rebounds the ball like a machine. He even passes pretty well for a big man. He also doesn't turn the ball over. And while he doesn't score much, he grabs offensive boards with the best of them.

K-Mart isn't very good offensively. Look at his shooting splits, they are really bad. 44.1% from the field for a big man? 37% from the line? Wallace is just as bad, offensively, but doesn't take many shot attempts (4.2 per game). K-Mart takes 11.2 shots per game, but shoots just as poorly as Ben Wallace does. His career TS is 51% (average is 53), and last year was a 44.5%, which is pathetic. Defensively, K-Mart is good, but Ben Wallace is better. K-Mart fouls more and doesn't get as many blocks or steals. K-Mart is also a terrible passer and below average rebounder.

At least looking at their performance for last year, Ben Wallace is still better than K-Mart. Both are bad offensively, though K-Mart seems to think he is good so he takes a lot of shots and hurts his team, and Ben is better defensively.

Kmart is a far superior all around talent than Wallace especially at this stage of their careers. In his prime big Ben was the leagues best defender and one if the leagues better rebounders. His offense was non existent.

[anthony83]

With Milicic signed, Is there any possibility that K-Martin come to Boston?
I think 0 possibility .