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  IF Doc can make this offense run efficiently, the scoring droughts might be a thing of the past.
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Sadly I am not as optimistic as all
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  IF Doc can make this offense run efficiently, the scoring droughts might be a thing of the past.
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Sadly I am not as optimistic as all

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Averages are there; but the consistency is not. He is pretty versatile and used to take it to the hole all the time for dunks until he got whacked a few times.


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  IF Doc can make this offense run efficiently, the scoring droughts might be a thing of the past.

Sadly I am not as optimistic as all


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He (Doc) certainly has been given plenty of quality parts. I hope he can put them together and make them work. This is the most talented Celtics team on paper in a long time. Doc will need to get this team to produce this season.
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I like Courtney Lee. He is a really good role player.

However, I think his role here in Boston should be fairly small since there are three superior guards here already in Rajon Rondo, Jason Terry and Avery Bradley. So not particularly excited about Lee. Happy to have him but not overly excited. Small bit worried about Doc taking minutes away from better players and giving them to Lee too.

  He'll get plenty of minutes while Bradley's out, I would think that how well he does then would determine how many minutes he gets when all four of them are available.

So the real questions are, does Courtney Lee have what it takes to play the starting SG for us and how long is Avery Bradley going to be relegated to the bench in a 'recovery' role?

For me I will be watching to see if Lee can pick up our defense and perform adequately. I already think he is a much better shooter/scorer than Bradley.

I do not have a problem with a healthy Bradley starting at the SG if his performance is comparable to last seasons peak. Lee would be just fine coming off the bench IMO. We will need his scoring on the second unit either way.

Both of them better be at the top of their game because they will be losing minutes to Jason Terry if not. There will only be a 3 Guard rotation with decent minutes IMO with Rondo and likely Jet sewing up two of the spots.

I think there's room for everybody to get significant minutes, which will probably mean that Courtney will have to spend some time playing the 3 position.

Personally, I'm excited abut seeing a small, athletic lineup with Rondo, Bradley, Lee, and Green out there together for stretches of the game.  We all know that Doc likes small ball, and I think that he finally has a team with the personnel to really play to those small ball strengths.  These guys could play some college type ball-hawking, pressure defense, and really "scrap up" a basketball game.

If he plays some of that small ball, there will be room for everyone to get 20-25 minutes a game. 

I know that if we see this lineup it will frustrate many of you traditionalists out there, but I think it will be fun, and quite possibly even effective.
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I'm a little bit worried about a logjam where the minutes are concerned.  Rondo needs 35 per night, Bradley and Terry should both be in the 25-30 range.  That leaves less than 10 minutes for Lee at the guard positions.  You could get him more court time by playing him against backup SF's (which he could handle just fine on most nights), but then you're either cutting into Jeff Green's minutes or moving him to the 4 where he has historically struggled. 

I think we're probably looking at a lot of small ball this year.  We have a great lineup for that style of offense, but that means our rebounding problem isn't going away any time soon.  Rondo should have a blast, though, and it wouldn't shock me to see him put up some pretty outlandish numbers for the year. 

I really hope Sullinger breaks through and earns minutes.  We'll sorely need his presence on the glass.

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I've taken a step back from the circus that was signing season to simply enjoy what Ainge and Rivers have put together. I'll concern myself with the C's once the season proper rolls on.

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I like Courtney Lee. He is a really good role player.

However, I think his role here in Boston should be fairly small since there are three superior guards here already in Rajon Rondo, Jason Terry and Avery Bradley. So not particularly excited about Lee. Happy to have him but not overly excited. Small bit worried about Doc taking minutes away from better players and giving them to Lee too.

I actually would have liked to have seen Courtney Lee find himself a better home than Boston. He is too good a player for the role Boston will be asking him to fill. He deserves a bigger role than that. I think C-Lee should have gone elsewhere. Did himself a disservice coming here. Should have gone somewhere where he could get 30-35 minutes a night as a starter on a quality playoff team / title contender.
No team that would play him 30-35 minutes as a starter will be a "quality playoff team / title contender" and that really is the bottom line.

I mean he wouldn't get those minutes on the Lakers or Thunder or Spurs or Grizzlies or Nuggets and wouldn't get those minutes on the Heat or Bulls or Nets or Sixers and won't be getting those minutes when Bradley is healthy on the Celtics either.  He probably could find those type minutes and role on a team like the Clippers, but that is about the only quality playoff team where he could and they aren't a title contender.
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I'm a little bit worried about a logjam where the minutes are concerned.  Rondo needs 35 per night, Bradley and Terry should both be in the 25-30 range.  That leaves less than 10 minutes for Lee at the guard positions.  You could get him more court time by playing him against backup SF's (which he could handle just fine on most nights), but then you're either cutting into Jeff Green's minutes or moving him to the 4 where he has historically struggled. 

I think we're probably looking at a lot of small ball this year.  We have a great lineup for that style of offense, but that means our rebounding problem isn't going away any time soon.  Rondo should have a blast, though, and it wouldn't shock me to see him put up some pretty outlandish numbers for the year. 

I really hope Sullinger breaks through and earns minutes.  We'll sorely need his presence on the glass.

I think you are assuming a bit too many minutes for Terry and possibly Bradley.

Terry is getting up there in years, and I really expect them to limit his minutes more than that.  There will be nights, when he is lights out and he will play 30+ minutes.  But I think more often than not, he will be playing about 20 minutes per game. 

Bradley is tougher to predict, both because of his injuries slowing him down, and because we have seen such a small sample size of what he brings.  But, I think he will be in the 20-25 minute range...and that may even be on the high side.  I think they will be high leverage minutes though, but he is the type of player that can be more valuable in shorter stretches, in order to make sure he can really maximize the energy he is able to expel. 

I don't care how young and in how good shape you are...it is hard for anyone to go all out for 30+ minutes per game.  And Bradley's best asset is his energy and aggressive defense.  I think he will be use strategically, to change things up, while guys like Lee and Green will be getting more regular minutes.

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PG: Rondo 35, Terry 13
SG: Bradley 22, Lee 16, Terry 10
SF: Pierce 30, Green 12, Lee 6
PF: Bass 26, Green 16, Wilcox 6
C: Garnett 30, Wilcox 18

Totals:

Rondo: 35
Garnett: 30
Pierce: 30
Green: 28
Bass: 26
Wilcox: 24
Terry: 23
Lee: 22
Bradley: 22

I think a minutes rotation something like this makes sense.  If everyone is healthy, we have a deep back court.  I don't see any of Terry, Lee, or Bradley being likely to complain if they are getting in the low 20s court time as opposed to the high 20s, particularly if the team is winning.

I don't see a minutes problem.  If there's a problem of having too many guys who deserve minutes, I'd much rather have that problem than its opposite.   
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I like Courtney Lee. He is a really good role player.

However, I think his role here in Boston should be fairly small since there are three superior guards here already in Rajon Rondo, Jason Terry and Avery Bradley. So not particularly excited about Lee. Happy to have him but not overly excited. Small bit worried about Doc taking minutes away from better players and giving them to Lee too.

I actually would have liked to have seen Courtney Lee find himself a better home than Boston. He is too good a player for the role Boston will be asking him to fill. He deserves a bigger role than that. I think C-Lee should have gone elsewhere. Did himself a disservice coming here. Should have gone somewhere where he could get 30-35 minutes a night as a starter on a quality playoff team / title contender.
No team that would play him 30-35 minutes as a starter will be a "quality playoff team / title contender" and that really is the bottom line.

  So you're saying that, as a player, he's significantly worse than the likes of Derek Fisher or Joel Anthony, or that those Lakers/Heat teams were't title contenders?

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I like Courtney Lee. He is a really good role player.

However, I think his role here in Boston should be fairly small since there are three superior guards here already in Rajon Rondo, Jason Terry and Avery Bradley. So not particularly excited about Lee. Happy to have him but not overly excited. Small bit worried about Doc taking minutes away from better players and giving them to Lee too.

I actually would have liked to have seen Courtney Lee find himself a better home than Boston. He is too good a player for the role Boston will be asking him to fill. He deserves a bigger role than that. I think C-Lee should have gone elsewhere. Did himself a disservice coming here. Should have gone somewhere where he could get 30-35 minutes a night as a starter on a quality playoff team / title contender.
No team that would play him 30-35 minutes as a starter will be a "quality playoff team / title contender" and that really is the bottom line.

  So you're saying that, as a player, he's significantly worse than the likes of Derek Fisher or Joel Anthony, or that those Lakers/Heat teams were't title contenders?

Or at 26 minutes per game, he could be....Courtney Lee.  A starter for an NBA Finals team, as a rookie.

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I am excited because im thinking lee will start and fit in better with the first unit. Being the fourth or fifth option he is going to get a lot of open looks. I like the idea of using Bradley off the bench as a much needed spark while giving the second unit the defender they need to cause havoc whil terry and green take care of the offense...

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I'm mostly excited by the depth that he brings to this team. If he gives more than that -- it's gravy. And I like gravy.
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I like Courtney Lee. He is a really good role player.

However, I think his role here in Boston should be fairly small since there are three superior guards here already in Rajon Rondo, Jason Terry and Avery Bradley. So not particularly excited about Lee. Happy to have him but not overly excited. Small bit worried about Doc taking minutes away from better players and giving them to Lee too.

I actually would have liked to have seen Courtney Lee find himself a better home than Boston. He is too good a player for the role Boston will be asking him to fill. He deserves a bigger role than that. I think C-Lee should have gone elsewhere. Did himself a disservice coming here. Should have gone somewhere where he could get 30-35 minutes a night as a starter on a quality playoff team / title contender.
No team that would play him 30-35 minutes as a starter will be a "quality playoff team / title contender" and that really is the bottom line.

  So you're saying that, as a player, he's significantly worse than the likes of Derek Fisher or Joel Anthony, or that those Lakers/Heat teams were't title contenders?
No I am saying that he came to Boston because it was the only title contender where he could possibly start and have any shot at 30-35 minutes a game. 
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