Author Topic: Trade Evaluation (Read 8785 times)

BIGTIME_CELTICS · « **on:** August 10, 2012, 03:43:27 AM »

76ers:
Trade: Vucevic, Markless, Iguodala, 1st pick
Acquire: Bynum

Folks think its an A trade. It could be, only if Bynum emerges as a tremendous leader for this young team, which is highly unlikely. Celtics fans are worried about next year in conference battles. I am not worried at all. This current Philly team is built to run, they aint sitting down and posting up kinda team. So for them to transform their style, they have to make other moves or let their players take time to adjust. They have no great shooters to surround Bynum in Holiday/Turner/Young who are projected to be their 1,2 and 3.

On the FLIP SIDE, they get rid of Iguodala, one of the best, if not the best perimeter defender in the league. He is the heart and soul of this team. He aint a great leader, but he just does so many things that aint showing in the stat sheet. U wonder y he earns his spot in this Team USA and getting bigger mins than the likes of James Harden and Kevin Love. He is a Scottie Pippen who has never been on a team with a MJ. UNDERRATED. Giving up Vucevic and Markless aint hurting much since they have a solid rotation in Bynum/Hawes/Brown. Now amnestying Brand and adding Kwame Brown doesnt seem all that absurd.

Denver:
Trade: Arron Afflalo, Al Harrington, 1st pick
Acquire: Andre Iguodala

It is a typical addition by subtraction situation. Their congested wings need to slim down. Afflalo is a nice player , and may have star potential, but dumping Harrington's contract and adding a great DEFENDER, who may be the first on this team that knows how to defend, is huge. They still have Lawson/Miller at PG. Dre can fill in as a 2, Brewer is a solid backup. Chandler/Galo at 3, with both can spend significant time at 4. And Faried/McGee/Koufos/Mozgov front court. This team is still deep as hell. One thing I love abt Dre is that he is a point forward. He doesnt shoot much and doesnt look to shoot, but he makes others look better. Good luck Philly, all those young guys have lost a floor general. Denver will be so exciting next year. Underrated trade for Denver. They improved tremendously and will be looking at 55-60 wins range.

Magic
Trade: Howard, J-Rich,
Acquire: Vucevic, Harkless, Afflalo, Harrington, 4 1st picks

I mean it would be a F trade no matter what they get back unless it is a star, but this is just horrendous. They are still holding Turk and Q-rich's contract, and what they got back was even worse. They were able to get another bad contract in Harrington, and those 4 picks are all protected. Why would take that deal with Nets and Houston deal on table? Rockets would send the whole bunch of prospective young guys and draft picks, and they are out west too. Are you serious?

Lakers
Trade: Bynum, 1st pick
Acquire: Howard

They pulled it off. They are team to beat out west for sure unless Kobe still thinks he is the man.

mctyson · « **Reply #1 on:** August 10, 2012, 06:34:23 AM »

OKC is still the team to beat in the West. I don't see how substituting Howard for Bynum, and adding Steve Nash, rates the Lakers higher than OKC.

I agree with you that the Nuggets sneakily got the best hand in this deal. Afflalo is a nice player but signed to a hefty contract; Harrington is a waste of money. They get rid of those guys and a late 1st for Iggy who is peaking in his prime, is an All Star, and is a 1st-Team All NBA defender. I'm glad he is out of the East.

I am kind of scratching my head on the Philly side of this deal. I guess Bynum is the kind of guy you trade for and it works one of 2 ways: he plays exceptional and you are a genius for nabbing a franchise center in his early 20's for a wing player and a couple late 1sts, or he is average and injured and your trade fizzles out. I don't see Bynum as being a complete bust, since he has proved he is a force when healthy, but he may not dominate like he needs to and he could always be hurt.

As for the Magic....

They get a bunch of mediocre draft picks, another unproven mid-round pick from last draft, a nice but nothing special guard in Afflalo, the money drain that is Al Harrington, and a young project big in Vucevic. It's definitely better than what the Nets were offering, but really this is what you get for the best Magic player since Shaq? They got a lot younger for the rebuild. And as far as the Celtics are concerned, this is a good thing as the Magic now pose no threat in our conference anymore.

Roy H. · « **Reply #2 on:** August 10, 2012, 06:35:41 AM »

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Magic
Trade: Howard, J-Rich,
Acquire: Vucevic, Harkless, Afflalo, Harrington, 4 1st picks

I mean it would be a F trade no matter what they get back unless it is a star, but this is just horrendous. They are still holding Turk and Q-rich's contract, and what they got back was even worse. They were able to get another bad contract in Harrington, and those 4 picks are all protected. Why would take that deal with Nets and Houston deal on table? Rockets would send the whole bunch of prospective young guys and draft picks, and they are out west too. Are you serious?

Yeah, I truly don't understand this. There's no real cap relief, as Afflalo is getting paid $31 million over 4 years, and Harrington is guaranteed at least 50% of his salary in the next two years after this one. They're not getting any high-end prospects, and they're not getting any likely lottery picks.

So Orlando got a decent player on a long-term contract, a below-average player coming off of surgery, a couple of mediocre prospects, and some late draft picks. For the best center in the world. In a trade also involving the second best center in the world.

I don't get it.

2short · « **Reply #3 on:** August 10, 2012, 08:12:19 AM »

Quote from: mctyson on August 10, 2012, 06:34:23 AM

OKC is still the team to beat in the West. I don't see how substituting Howard for Bynum, and adding Steve Nash, rates the Lakers higher than OKC.

I agree with you that the Nuggets sneakily got the best hand in this deal. Afflalo is a nice player but signed to a hefty contract; Harrington is a waste of money. They get rid of those guys and a late 1st for Iggy who is peaking in his prime, is an All Star, and is a 1st-Team All NBA defender. I'm glad he is out of the East.

I am kind of scratching my head on the Philly side of this deal. I guess Bynum is the kind of guy you trade for and it works one of 2 ways: he plays exceptional and you are a genius for nabbing a franchise center in his early 20's for a wing player and a couple late 1sts, or he is average and injured and your trade fizzles out. I don't see Bynum as being a complete bust, since he has proved he is a force when healthy, but he may not dominate like he needs to and he could always be hurt.

As for the Magic.... They get a bunch of mediocre draft picks, another unproven mid-round pick from last draft, a nice but nothing special guard in Afflalo, the money drain that is Al Harrington, and a young project big in Vucevic. It's definitely better than what the Nets were offering, but really this is what you get for the best Magic player since Shaq? They got a lot younger for the rebuild. And as far as the Celtics are concerned, this is a good thing as the Magic now pose no threat in our conference anymore.

agreed, denver got rid of contracts and added a very good versatile player who i've always liked, i understand philly taking the chance on bynum, if he's healthy and feels like playing he's good
orlando has just done one of the worst deals i can think of, i can't believe there wasn't a deal out there for at the least some good draft picks

Fafnir · « **Reply #4 on:** August 10, 2012, 08:47:12 AM »

Quote from: Roy H. on August 10, 2012, 06:35:41 AM

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Magic
Trade: Howard, J-Rich,
Acquire: Vucevic, Harkless, Afflalo, Harrington, 4 1st picks

I mean it would be a F trade no matter what they get back unless it is a star, but this is just horrendous. They are still holding Turk and Q-rich's contract, and what they got back was even worse. They were able to get another bad contract in Harrington, and those 4 picks are all protected. Why would take that deal with Nets and Houston deal on table? Rockets would send the whole bunch of prospective young guys and draft picks, and they are out west too. Are you serious?

Yeah, I truly don't understand this. There's no real cap relief, as Afflalo is getting paid $31 million over 4 years, and Harrington is guaranteed at least 50% of his salary in the next two years after this one. They're not getting any high-end prospects, and they're not getting any likely lottery picks.

So Orlando got a decent player on a long-term contract, a below-average player coming off of surgery, a couple of mediocre prospects, and some late draft picks. For the best center in the world. In a trade also involving the second best center in the world.

I don't get it.

The only thing that makes any sense is that they decided to become the Bobcats and didn't want to have salary cap room to try and bring in FAs.

Well that and Houston's offer must have been much worse than what was reported. (if it was still on the table at all)

Who · « **Reply #5 on:** August 10, 2012, 09:17:08 AM »

I don't know why people expect Evan Turner and Thaddeus Young to start together on the wing. That combination doesn't make sense for Philly. Thaddeus will stay on the bench in his backup SF/PF role. Evan Turner will start at small forward alongside either J-Rich or Nick Young.

Since it's Doug Collins, I'd expect him to go with the vet (J-Rich) ahead of Nick Young. Unfortunate. Nick Young is very close to surpassing J-Rich ... if he hasn't do so already, he most surely will in the near future.

Their best long term move is to start Nick Young (SG) and continue to develop him.

More Banners · « **Reply #6 on:** August 10, 2012, 09:20:57 AM »

Looks like a page from Danny's book: get as many bites at the apple as you can; accumulate assets/pieces.

In the meanwhile, ride out the veterans' contracts and trade them with a pick when they're expiring.

At least the saga is over and they can move on. They were going to suck next year no matter what.

radiohead · « **Reply #7 on:** August 10, 2012, 09:23:00 AM »

Any news if Dwight has agreed to a contract extension with the Lakers? What would their cap look like? Man, I hope Dwight "verbally agrees" to an extension and changes his mind mid stream just as he did with the Magic.

Chris · « **Reply #8 on:** August 10, 2012, 09:23:23 AM »

Quote from: Fafnir on August 10, 2012, 08:47:12 AM

Well that and Houston's offer must have been much worse than what was reported. (if it was still on the table at all)

To me, this is clear. I think everyone jumped to conclusions because of the way Houston was collecting assets. But I don't think they were collecting assets for Howard, I think they were collecting assets for Howard, and other veteran stars to put around him, and hopefully convince him to resign.

It made very little sense for them to completely gut their team, and pay a kings ransom for Howard, when they were not only renting him for a year...but they wouldn't have had the assets and players to surround him with a winning team.

celtsfan84 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 10, 2012, 09:30:24 AM »

Quote from: Chris on August 10, 2012, 09:23:23 AM

Quote from: Fafnir on August 10, 2012, 08:47:12 AM

Well that and Houston's offer must have been much worse than what was reported. (if it was still on the table at all)

To me, this is clear. I think everyone jumped to conclusions because of the way Houston was collecting assets. But I don't think they were collecting assets for Howard, I think they were collecting assets for Howard, and other veteran stars to put around him, and hopefully convince him to resign.

It made very little sense for them to completely gut their team, and pay a kings ransom for Howard, when they were not only renting him for a year...but they wouldn't have had the assets and players to surround him with a winning team.

Yeah, in the end Houston made no sense for Dwight. Any substantial offer would've diminished Houston's talent pool so greatly that Houston would be worse than Orlando.

Why would Dwight stay in Orlando Part 2 if he was so eager to leave Orlando Part 1?

radiohead · « **Reply #10 on:** August 10, 2012, 09:54:15 AM »

Quote from: radiohead on August 10, 2012, 09:23:00 AM

Any news if Dwight has agreed to a contract extension with the Lakers? What would their cap look like? Man, I hope Dwight "verbally agrees" to an extension and changes his mind mid stream just as he did with the Magic.

Just found the answer to my question:
http://losangeles.sbnation.com/2012/8/9/3232549/dwight-howard-lakers-trade-rumors-nba-free-agents-2013

The Lakers seem confident they can retain Dwight after next season...

Chris · « **Reply #11 on:** August 10, 2012, 10:09:16 AM »

Quote from: radiohead on August 10, 2012, 09:54:15 AM

Quote from: radiohead on August 10, 2012, 09:23:00 AM
Any news if Dwight has agreed to a contract extension with the Lakers? What would their cap look like? Man, I hope Dwight "verbally agrees" to an extension and changes his mind mid stream just as he did with the Magic.

Just found the answer to my question:
http://losangeles.sbnation.com/2012/8/9/3232549/dwight-howard-lakers-trade-rumors-nba-free-agents-2013

The Lakers seem confident they can retain Dwight after next season...

Yeah, this is why Houston was willing to take the risk. Howard would be leaving a lot of guaranteed money on the table by leaving whichever team he was traded to.

317 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 10, 2012, 01:02:14 PM »

this cant be real... can it? how can Orlando not at least dump some bad contracts. they got no lottery picks, no cap relief and the best piece they got was Vucevic?

i simply dont understand this

jay · « **Reply #13 on:** August 10, 2012, 01:27:33 PM »

Orlando has an extremely young front line going forward with Harkless, Nicholson, and Vucevic.

For at least one year, they have Nelson and Aflallo at guard, and players like Harrington, Hedo, and Davis at forward.

They will be bad, so for the next two drafts, they will have a shot at getting a premier player.

In 2014, Harrington and Hedo come off the books or they can be bought out. If they can land a pair of really good young players (a wing and a pg?) in the next two drafts, they will be a big free agent destination.

jay · « **Reply #14 on:** August 10, 2012, 01:34:54 PM »

Orlando has proven to be a destination in the past.

In two years, they will be young, have cap space, warm weather, and no state income tax.

If their roster is Harkless, Nicholson, Vucevic, Shabazz Muhammed, and Jabari Parker or something close to that:

Who wouldnt sign there?

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