Doc: "We could really use" Delfino

[God]

Well, this is interesting....Just for giggle , I grabbed the 2007-2008 roster to see how things were handled back in the day (Not Darren)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2008.html

Poke around and look to see who the 15th back up PG was.

The argument is great because everyone is gnawing their own leg off because there is NO NEWS and won't be for a good while..

Here's my $.02

If there's an injury early at the guard spot, play the best rookie or Dooling,

Don't load the roster down with an unhappy player whose role will change significantly when Bradley is ready.

Leave the BAE open for somebody midseason when the landscape for losers becomes apparent and the want to shed someone and when the injury situation dictates what the Celtics need to spend it on.

Filling out a roster now is silly and reduces flexibility.

Love the discussion though.

[mgent]

Filling out a roster now is silly and reduces flexibility.

You reference the 08 team, yet don't seem to care that that team and every year since then we've entered the season with 15 guys.

Notice how 5 out of 5 years we didn't have any difficulty whatsoever signing multiple players throughout the season, whether by cutting spots or trading them to be waived for a 2nd rounder.

Just throwing it out there since it's not at all a rare occurrence around celticsblog to see people say it's stupid to enter the year with a maxed roster.

[Roy H.]

Filling out a roster now is silly and reduces flexibility.

You reference the 08 team, yet don't seem to care that that team and every year since then we've entered the season with 15 guys.

Notice how 5 out of 5 years we didn't have any difficulty whatsoever signing multiple players throughout the season, whether by cutting spots or trading them to be waived for a 2nd rounder.

Just throwing it out there since it's not at all a rare occurrence around celticsblog to see people say it's stupid to enter the year with a maxed roster.

This is all true.  One thing to remember, though, is that the rules have changed this year.  We're operating under a $74 million hard cap that we can't go over at any point.  It reduces our flexibility a bit.

[Surferdad]

sure Delfino would be a swell acquisition.  he's proven himself moreso than Joseph or Christmas will in camp or the season however we're pretty loaded in the 1-4 spots.  If we're going to sign someone else, I really would prefer a decent center for the bench.  I like Wilcox off the bench and can tolerate Collins (and Melo is out of the picture for probably 2 years) but the C's could use someone that has a more complete game than those 2.  Preferably someone that's a better rebounder.

I gave you a TP just for using the word swell.   

[God]

Filling out a roster now is silly and reduces flexibility.

You reference the 08 team, yet don't seem to care that that team and every year since then we've entered the season with 15 guys.

Notice how 5 out of 5 years we didn't have any difficulty whatsoever signing multiple players throughout the season, whether by cutting spots or trading them to be waived for a 2nd rounder.

Just throwing it out there since it's not at all a rare occurrence around celticsblog to see people say it's stupid to enter the year with a maxed roster.

Misunderstanding, they already have at least 15 guys. I don't believe there's any reason to fool around with the roster to exchange the 14 our 15 guy with another 14 or 15th guy . I believe it's silly to get ones knickers in a knot about it. I won't bite you misquoting it as stupid  beyond that

[mgent]

Filling out a roster now is silly and reduces flexibility.

You reference the 08 team, yet don't seem to care that that team and every year since then we've entered the season with 15 guys.

Notice how 5 out of 5 years we didn't have any difficulty whatsoever signing multiple players throughout the season, whether by cutting spots or trading them to be waived for a 2nd rounder.

Just throwing it out there since it's not at all a rare occurrence around celticsblog to see people say it's stupid to enter the year with a maxed roster.

This is all true.  One thing to remember, though, is that the rules have changed this year.  We're operating under a $74 million hard cap that we can't go over at any point.  It reduces our flexibility a bit.

Right, but I was operating under the 71 mil estimate as our predicted salary for 13 players.  Enough room for two minimums even if we signed Christmas and Joseph for 450,000 each, failed to dump them, and then waived them outright without any stretch provision.  Or sign a more experienced vet and then cut him to use the BAE.  Or any combination of several different scenarios.

Then again, correct me if I'm wrong but don't invites stay non-guaranteed even if they make the roster?

Obviously not very flexible, but I'd say we're about as flexible as you can get with only minimums to work with.

[gpap]

I think this one is pretty simple. If there are issues with Jeff Green's health (which I can only assume there are if the contract still isn't finalized) then Carlos Delfino is a no-brainer.

Not to mention, Delfino is every bit the player Green is, if not better. Only thing Green has over Delfino is more athleticism.

I can't believe we are now going on 3 seasons where Jeff Green has become one of the bigger stories of the team.

Why did Ainge make that Perk trade again? Oh, nevermind.

[kozlodoev]

We're operating under a $74 million hard cap that we can't go over at any point.  It reduces our flexibility a bit.

We are able to use the biannual now -- which theoretically means we'd be able to use it midseason too. Also, we've never been able to offer more than vet minimum at the waiver deadline, and I thought those deals didn't count towards the cap.

[the_Bird]

I think this one is pretty simple. If there are issues with Jeff Green's health (which I can only assume there are if the contract still isn't finalized) then Carlos Delfino is a no-brainer.

I don't see any reason to make this assumption.  It'sm possible that the deal isn't final because they're waiting to see what other deals get made, and they'll structure Jeff's Green accordingly.  If they can sign Delfino (or someone like him) with the BAE, maybe Green takes a little less in year one (and a little more later in the contract) so that they can stay under the $74M hard cap.  If they don't spend the BAE, maybe the deal is structured to pay Green as much as they can for year 1, and less later on in the contract (adding a small amount of future breathing room). 

Wouldn't that be just as logical a reason for the delay as anything?

[kozlodoev]

I think this one is pretty simple. If there are issues with Jeff Green's health (which I can only assume there are if the contract still isn't finalized) then Carlos Delfino is a no-brainer.

I don't see any reason to make this assumption.  It'sm possible that the deal isn't final because they're waiting to see what other deals get made, and they'll structure Jeff's Green accordingly.  If they can sign Delfino (or someone like him) with the BAE, maybe Green takes a little less in year one (and a little more later in the contract) so that they can stay under the $74M hard cap.  If they don't spend the BAE, maybe the deal is structured to pay Green as much as they can for year 1, and less later on in the contract (adding a small amount of future breathing room). 

Wouldn't that be just as logical a reason for the delay as anything?

Actually, if there were issues with Green's health, we would know by now that he will not be signed. Given that his contract is a substantial cap committment, I'd put my money a structural issue.

[Roy H.]

We're operating under a $74 million hard cap that we can't go over at any point.  It reduces our flexibility a bit.

We are able to use the biannual now -- which theoretically means we'd be able to use it midseason too. Also, we've never been able to offer more than vet minimum at the waiver deadline, and I thought those deals didn't count towards the cap.

You can go over the salary cap to sign somebody to a minimum deal, but approximately $850k of that deal (regardless of service time) counts against the $74 million hard cap (which you can't exceed under any circumstances).

[Professor of Rondology]

Not to mention, Delfino is every bit the player Green is, if not better. Only thing Green has over Delfino is more athleticism.

This is just untrue. People just loooooove hating Jeff Green around here.  I'm getting tired of reminding them that he would start for 75% of NBA teams.

[LooseCannon]

We're operating under a $74 million hard cap that we can't go over at any point.  It reduces our flexibility a bit.

We are able to use the biannual now -- which theoretically means we'd be able to use it midseason too. Also, we've never been able to offer more than vet minimum at the waiver deadline, and I thought those deals didn't count towards the cap.

You can go over the salary cap to sign somebody to a minimum deal, but approximately $850k of that deal (regardless of service time) counts against the $74 million hard cap (which you can't exceed under any circumstances).

If the Celtics need a roster spot and cap space to pick up a waiver guy for the minimum, Ainge will probably send out someone with a low salary (Wilcox if he's injured again?  Joseph?) to a team with cap space.

I'd only start to worry about lack of flexibility to pick up a minimum salary guy if the Celtics are a contender with every low salary guy having worked his way into becoming a key rotation player who is worth way more than his salary.

[celticinorlando]

the roster is set. christmas gets the last spot

[gar]

the roster is set. christmas gets the last spot

Hope you are right.