ChrisAndersen available for one year vet minimum; Do we want him?

[celticmania]

he cant b worse than hollins

[birdman33]

Collins is a cheaper version of perkins, to play against Howard and other big bodies

[Ogaju]

How many different ways can I say NO. He just does not seem to fit in with the high character guys we have assembled, but that is just me.

What I would do were I Danny is go to the big 3 and ask them if they want him. If they say Yes - He is in.

[GreenFaith1819]

How many different ways can I say NO. He just does not seem to fit the high character guys we have assembled, but that is just me.

What I would do were I Danny is go the big 3 and ask em if they want him. If they say Yes - He is in.

You mean his legal issues?

From what I've read, I'm assuming he's innocent. I think the investigation is still going on, but I'm assuming he's innocent and just a victim.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/11/chris-andersens-attorney-suggests-nugget-being-extorted/

[j804]

I hope so. I'd love to have Chris Andersen here.

I am not comfortable at all relying on Fab Melo for anything during his rookie year. The number of 7 footers who are meaningful contributors in their first year out of college that were selected outside of the lottery ... well, they're crappy odds.

Chris Andersen is a very good backup center in the league. A solid defender and very good possession creator. Plays with great energy and is a fantastic teammate. I also think his skill-set is a really good contrast to Jason Collins (low post defense). He offers something different to Collins and that gives Doc another option in his arsenal.

So yeah, definitely, I'd love to have Chris Andersen here.

ditto my thoughts as well I'd take him

[bfrombleacher]

I would have preferred him over Jason Collins.  He's a better player by a wide margin.

Did Ainge rush it too much and shoot himself in the foot?

[GreenFaith1819]

I would have preferred him over Jason Collins.  He's a better player by a wide margin.

Did Ainge rush it too much and shoot himself in the foot?

My guess is no - Ainge didn't rush.

I think Collins will come in VERY handy vs the likes of Bynum and in some cases Dwight.

KG played DH very well last yr, but I'd want that extra big body to matchup with Drew and DH either way, and Collins fills this role nicely.

Chris Anderson would be, IMO, our Stiemsma replacement (shot-blocker), although a slightly better one I'm thinking. I think Fab could fill this role as well, but Fab is a rookie. I'm not sure how far along Fab would be for him to help us much this year.

[j804]

I would have preferred him over Jason Collins.  He's a better player by a wide margin.

Did Ainge rush it too much and shoot himself in the foot?

My guess is no - Ainge didn't rush.

I think Collins will come in VERY handy vs the likes of Bynum and in some cases Dwight.

KG played DH very well last yr, but I'd want that extra big body to matchup with Drew and DH either way, and Collins fills this role nicely.

Chris Anderson would be, IMO, our Stiemsma replacement (shot-blocker), although a slightly better one I'm thinking. I think Fab could fill this role as well, but Fab is a rookie. I'm not sure how far along Fab would be for him to help us much this year.

oh no doubt Ainge got Collins specifically for Dwight and Hibbert thinking playoffs and to lay LBJ or Wade out on the parquet when it calls for it

[mgent]

Hook it up.

I've been waiting for a proven 4th big that can take the pressure off Sullinger.  Sorta risky relying that much on that late of a pick.  I'm sure he could end up being an asset, but there's also a good chance he looks like most rookies look.

Collins is not what I was hoping for but Birdman would completely exceed my expectations.

[CFAN38]

    I would have preferred him over Jason Collins.  He's a better player by a wide margin.


Did Ainge rush it too much and shoot himself in the foot?

Where Anderson is a better over all player then Collins, Collins is the better fit. Collins is a better overall defender (not at all flashy but good) and won't be a guy who shakes up a locker room.

Collins will be a nice piece to use against Howard, B Lopez, Hibbert etc.

[blastoidesroidsnoids]

his tattoos and self esteem are overall offensive to my career and own self esteem pronto

[SHAQATTACK]

YES



If he could stay healthy for even 75% of the season, his energy and rebounds might be the difference in winning say  a few games that we were RIGHT there but need some energy on the boards at some point in the game to get win.

If he could be the difference maker , say in 3-5 games over the season on the boards and floor doing the dirty work , those extra wins would be worth the VET MIN in my estimation.

A a person yes he is strange , like Rodman, but his energy can change the flow or interrupt the other team in dramatic fashion .

When nothing is going right for a team , I  seen him change way the game is going by himself without scoring much.   

He is like a last resort or NUKE weapon you toss him out on the court and see what happens ...

I say GO FOR it....he is the type of player the HEAT HATE.

[sdceltsfan]

at worst, he will be a guy who can step in and throw his body around and is good for a few hard fouls, when we need to establish more toughness in the paint during a game....

at best, he complements KG's game and becomes a solid board-crashing, second chance creator for the 2nd unit, and gives the team 8-15 minutes per game for KG to play PF instead of Center....

We are terribly thin at Center still, and although Birdman isn't the ideal "center", I think he can more than get by for this team, and in the Eastern Conference especially.

[csfansince60s]

I would have preferred him over Jason Collins.  He's a better player by a wide margin.

How's his defense? Because that's really all we signed Collins for... so we won't collapse with KG off the court.

Here's a post I wrote previously comparing Andersen and Collins:

I would have preferred Chris Andersen.

Rebounding:

Birdman:  11.9% Offensive Rebound Rate; 23.3% Defensive Rebound Rate; 17.8% Total Rebound Rate
Collins: 4.6% Offensive Rebound Rate; 13.6% Defensive Rebound Rate; 9.1% Total Rebound Rate

Compared to last year's Celtics team, Andersen would have been our best rebounder by a fairly large margin (KG's TRB% was 16.8%).  Andersen would have been our best offensive rebounder, as well, and would have been second only to KG in defensive boards.  Compared to Collins, Andersen is literally twice the rebounder that he is.  Collins' rebound percentage would have been 9th on the Celtics, virtually tied with Paul Pierce. 

In other words, Andersen is an excellent rebounder, and Collins is very, very bad.

Offense:

Birdman:  12.4 points per 36 minutes; 0.4 assists per 36 minutes; 1.3 turnovers per 36 minutes; 54.6% FG%; 61.0% FT%; Offensive Rating:  119 (!!)
Collins:  4.6 points per 36 minutes; 1.2 assists per 36 minutes; 1.2 turnovers per 36 minutes; 40.0% FG%; 46.7% FT%; Offensive Rating:  87 (!!)

There's no comparison on this end of the floor.  Andersen is a much better scorer, and a much more efficient scorer.  Collins does average more assists, but his turnover rate (rather than raw turnovers) is much worse:  17.7% vs. 10.6%.

Defense:

Birdman:  3.4 blocks per 36 minutes; 1.4 steals per 36 minutes; Defensive Rating: 99
Collins:  0.4 blocks per 36 minutes; 0.5 steals per 36 minutes; Defensive Rating: 104

Birdman:  0.74 points allowed per possession (40th overall); 0.79 points allowed per possession allowed on post-ups (103rd overall)
Collins:  0.78 points allowed per possession (75th overall); 0.84 points allowed per possession allowed on post-ups (143rd overall)

Statistically, Birdman's defense was better than Collins.

Intangibles:

Andersen is known to be a great teammate.  He's a high-energy player and a crowd favorite.  On the negative side, he's been injured for parts of the last two seasons, and he was the subject of a criminal investigation involving photographs of an underage girl (while his lawyer says he was the victim of an extortion attempt by that girl -- who claimed she was 21 -- and her mother.)  Andersen also has a history of hardcore drug use, but seems to have kicked the habit.

Collins is also known as a great teammate, and he willingly fills his role.  He's more likely to rack up DNP-CDs than he is to miss games due to injuries.

Overall:

It's hard to argue that Collins is in the same class as Andersen as a player.  Collins is healthier and has fewer question marks, but he's also an inferior player.

+1....great info...still like to have both Collins and Birdman...as another poster mentioned earlier: can't have enough bigs given our recent history


+1 to WHO and rokcnroll too

[LEHGOCELTICS]

YES PLEASE